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On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol).
What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign.
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On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign.
Republicans have been so thoroughly hoisted on their petard of "anti-Democrat" that they've forgotten what we have is a Far-Right party and a Center-Right party.
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On August 15 2022 05:38 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign. Republicans have been so thoroughly hoisted on their petard of "anti-Democrat" that they've forgotten what we have is a Far-Right party and a Center-Right party.
The 2 parties need each other as punching bags, the Republicans are only doing their job painting the Democrats as far-left extremists, and unfortunately, it works. They have their guns/abortions/notax/racist base which will vote for them no matter what, if they only show up.
The 2party divide should eventually splinter, but the god awful voting system makes it almost impossible. The most important changes will have to come from within the parties.
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My bad, kwark. Shouldn’t have come here so aggressive. Carry on, my apologies.
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On August 15 2022 08:09 NrG.Bamboo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign. The fuck are you talking about? I mean, I almost want to not bring this up because it goes to show the "both sides really are the same, who gives a fuck" point, but what? Democrats are not warmongers? EDIT: On second thought, go ahead and keep thinking the way you do. I shouldn't have begun to care.
There are plenty of hawks in both parties. Being okay with the status quo of frequent drone striking != warmongers.
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To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data
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On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data
Yeah, one party, like in most issues in America, is noticeably worse than the other.
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On August 15 2022 09:47 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Yeah, one party, like in most issues in America, is noticeably worse than the other.
"What do you mean? Neither party is saying the means of production should be seized, so they are 100% identical"
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On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data
Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush.
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On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign.
The democratic party is not a conservative party lol what are you talking about. They are liberals. You are smart enough to make the difference.
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Northern Ireland25249 Posts
On August 15 2022 11:32 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush.
I’m sure he would have if it lined his pockets in some way. Or if circumstances were different and the country were baying for blood after some 9/11 style event. There’s no fucking way he doesn’t go max hawk if something like that occurred.
But yes, fair is fair in terms of what’s actually happened Trump did rather dial down some of that hawkishness
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On August 15 2022 11:47 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 11:32 Husyelt wrote:On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush. I’m sure he would have if it lined his pockets in some way. Or if circumstances were different and the country were baying for blood after some 9/11 style event. There’s no fucking way he doesn’t go max hawk if something like that occurred. But yes, fair is fair in terms of what’s actually happened Trump did rather dial down some of that hawkishness
Absolutely agree had their been a monetary gain specifically for him.
I have no doubt in my mind that on a daily basis if a world crisis happened in 2 different parts of the globe, and his advisors said we can only pick one to give aid/help, he would first say
"which one looks best for me?"
"do i lose or gain anything financially"?
He would always the one that aligned best with Trump. And now repeat similar events for 1460 days. Terrifying.
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On August 15 2022 11:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign. The democratic party is not a conservative party lol what are you talking about. They are liberals. You are smart enough to make the difference.
I think the idea was to point out that Democrats have only practiced where the Republicans consistently preach. The deficit shot up under a one-party government that constantly preaches fiscal responsibility. Democrats are also plenty happy to overfund the police and drag their feet on important civil rights issues, too!
Basically, if Conservatives actually gave a toss about the principles they constantly bitch about then they wouldn't actually have many problems with the Democrats. The irresistible urge to call Democrats Socialists and the debilitating fear of other Conservatives thinking you're not "not-Democrat" enough are basically their 2 core principles.
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On August 15 2022 11:32 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush.
Trump is far more ignorant and evil than you're suggesting. You can say he killed fewer people than Obama because he was too stupid to understand who the intelligence community was targeting, but don't give him any credit for being a peace keeper who was against drone strikes. Reporting has said that Trump had opportunity, but didn't kill Zawahiri because he didn't understand who he was and wanted to target/kill Bin Laden's son instead. Even killing fewer people than Obama seems questionable considering the lack of care about collateral damage and removal of transparency.
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On August 15 2022 11:32 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush.
I don't know, from what i can gather not only did trump revokes the transparency rule + Show Spoiler + but he apparently has ordered more drone strikes than obama did in the same time frame + Show Spoiler +.
And only biden finally pulled the plug on afghanistan after 20years of losing lives & money
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On August 15 2022 12:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 11:32 Husyelt wrote:On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush. Trump is far more ignorant and evil than you're suggesting. You can say he killed fewer people than Obama because he was too stupid to understand who the intelligence community was targeting, but don't give him any credit for being a peace keeper who was against drone strikes. Reporting has said that Trump had opportunity, but didn't kill Zawahiri because he didn't understand who he was and wanted to target/kill Bin Laden's son instead. Even killing fewer people than Obama seems questionable considering the lack of care about collateral damage and removal of transparency.
My brother in christ, i never said peace keeper. Trump is clearly the worst president in modern history, and will do anything that promotes his brand. Trump to his credit, did say on the campaign trail Iraq/Afghanistan were horrible moves, and we shouldn't do that. And he didnt do that. (beyond striking the poor Iran dude). So I'll give him credit on one, literally one policy thing. Trump also bombed the living shit out of current engagements we were in, but (not tagging on 5 new ones like Obama,)
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On August 15 2022 13:25 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 12:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On August 15 2022 11:32 Husyelt wrote:On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush. Trump is far more ignorant and evil than you're suggesting. You can say he killed fewer people than Obama because he was too stupid to understand who the intelligence community was targeting, but don't give him any credit for being a peace keeper who was against drone strikes. Reporting has said that Trump had opportunity, but didn't kill Zawahiri because he didn't understand who he was and wanted to target/kill Bin Laden's son instead. Even killing fewer people than Obama seems questionable considering the lack of care about collateral damage and removal of transparency. My brother in christ, i never said peace keeper. Trump is clearly the worst president in modern history, and will do anything that promotes his brand. Trump to his credit, did say on the campaign trail Iraq/Afghanistan were horrible moves, and we shouldn't do that. And he didnt do that. (beyond striking the poor Iran dude). So I'll give him credit on one, literally one policy thing. Trump also bombed the living shit out of current engagements we were in, but (not tagging on 5 new ones like Obama,)
But he would have if there was an Arab Spring during his term? There isn't a moral position against war and drone strikes that Trump follows.
I would also suggest that tearing up the Iran deal and bombing generals is going to hurt the US in the next decade, but he made a withdrawal plan he coudln't execute so he should be celebrated. Trump's indifference to any consequences like abandoning the Kurds is exactly what makes him an awful leader.
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Northern Ireland25249 Posts
On August 15 2022 20:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 13:25 Husyelt wrote:On August 15 2022 12:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On August 15 2022 11:32 Husyelt wrote:On August 15 2022 09:38 Erasme wrote:
To be fair, one side made drone strikes datas more transparent and designed a missile that can apparently vaporize a single target while dealing next to no collaterals
the other reverted the drones data Obama did authorize strikes in like 7 different states and had a healthy amount 20,000ish of "normal" bombings. If Trump had a single good aspect it would be that he was overall less involved in the war mongering than Obama or certainly Bush. Trump is far more ignorant and evil than you're suggesting. You can say he killed fewer people than Obama because he was too stupid to understand who the intelligence community was targeting, but don't give him any credit for being a peace keeper who was against drone strikes. Reporting has said that Trump had opportunity, but didn't kill Zawahiri because he didn't understand who he was and wanted to target/kill Bin Laden's son instead. Even killing fewer people than Obama seems questionable considering the lack of care about collateral damage and removal of transparency. My brother in christ, i never said peace keeper. Trump is clearly the worst president in modern history, and will do anything that promotes his brand. Trump to his credit, did say on the campaign trail Iraq/Afghanistan were horrible moves, and we shouldn't do that. And he didnt do that. (beyond striking the poor Iran dude). So I'll give him credit on one, literally one policy thing. Trump also bombed the living shit out of current engagements we were in, but (not tagging on 5 new ones like Obama,) But he would have if there was an Arab Spring during his term? There isn't a moral position against war and drone strikes that Trump follows.
For better or for worse. He’s not particularly ideologically wedded to well, anything, but that does include not being attached to the idea of spreading America’s soft power through ‘nation building’.
As the general American mood flipped after Iraq and Afghanistan fatigue, Trump’s positions broadly reflected that.
It’s a very minor positive, if it even is a positive, but I think it’s fair to say Trump, like in many areas doesn’t really have any ideological position. The negatives of these traits are especially pertinent in foreign policy, where continuity, reliability and predictability are pretty bloomin important.
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