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On August 15 2022 08:09 NrG.Bamboo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign. The fuck are you talking about? I mean, I almost want to not bring this up because it goes to show the "both sides really are the same, who gives a fuck" point, but what? Democrats are not warmongers? EDIT: On second thought, go ahead and keep thinking the way you do. I shouldn't have begun to care.
Which potential foreign intervention in the last 30 years did the Democrats shy away from?
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United States43255 Posts
On August 15 2022 11:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign. The democratic party is not a conservative party lol what are you talking about. They are liberals. You are smart enough to make the difference.
I was using American parlance because I am also smart enough to translate for my audience. You’re apparently smart enough to be aware of liberalism but not smart enough to know when to inject that into a conversation.
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Am I the only one thinking “wait lol why were you looking for your passport”
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Christ imagine Trumps tantrums going to the DMV and not having the proper form.
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On August 16 2022 11:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Am I the only one thinking “wait lol why were you looking for your passport”
I've felt that he was probably considered a flight risk since leaving office.
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On August 16 2022 12:16 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2022 11:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Am I the only one thinking “wait lol why were you looking for your passport” I've felt that he was probably considered a flight risk since leaving office.
He's never going to leave his adoring base.
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Trump just says shit that is not verified to downplay whatever he needs to do each and every day. Nothing matters. FBI currently doesn't have his passport(s). It's all deflection
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On August 16 2022 13:08 Husyelt wrote:
Trump just says shit that is not verified to downplay whatever he needs to do each and every day. Nothing matters. FBI currently doesn't have his passport(s). It's all deflection
Yes, spew out as many lies as possible as quickly as possible to keep the public busy with them rather than reflect on the reality of the situation. The more lies, the worse off he really is, this one is exceptionally bad, as he was caught with his pants down in a way he did not predict.
We should have stopped listening to him a long time ago. It isn't worth the time.
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On August 16 2022 09:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2022 11:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 15 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:On August 14 2022 04:06 BisuDagger wrote:On August 14 2022 03:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2022 03:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, it's pretty apparent, that Donald trump broke the law. Who here believes that he will be found guilty for it and serve time for it, according to established sentencing or the same crimes fir people who are not political cult leaders? I can't imagine him facing prison time, at this point I would rather put money on civil war then trump being punished for anything he has done so far. I could maybe see him charged and convicted of something super minor, but I really don't see him doing any prison time at all. At best, I think he'd receive a slap on the wrist, which would actually piss off both sides (pro-Trump people would hate that he was convicted of anything, and anti-Trump people would hate that he wasn't convicted of everything he actually did.) I can't fathom a person like Trump ever actually being held properly accountable for the major, serious shit he's done. As a conservative, I’m praying he gets put in jail. We haven’t had a Conservative party in decades. I hope Trump leads himself and the Republican Party to its demise. (I think I’m more hopeful then Liberals who vehemently hate Trump lol). What are the Democrats if not a conservative party? They have more balanced budgets, don't interfere with big business, and bomb anywhere foreign. The democratic party is not a conservative party lol what are you talking about. They are liberals. You are smart enough to make the difference. I was using American parlance because I am also smart enough to translate for my audience. You’re apparently smart enough to be aware of liberalism but not smart enough to know when to inject that into a conversation.
Whatever man.
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Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life.
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On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump.
They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them.
Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him.
They never wanted Trump at any point.
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On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point.
I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?"
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On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?"
Trump already said he would run third party if they did something like that no?
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Norway28712 Posts
On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?"
Without Trump, I'm guessing turnout drops significantly on both sides. Trump brought a bunch of new voters to both parties - previous non-voters who were enthusiastic about electing him, and reluctant leftishists who didn't care about the difference between Bush and Clinton but who find Trump abhorrent.
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On August 17 2022 04:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?" Without Trump, I'm guessing turnout drops significantly on both sides. Trump brought a bunch of new voters to both parties - previous non-voters who were enthusiastic about electing him, and reluctant leftishists who didn't care about the difference between Bush and Clinton but who find Trump abhorrent.
With the reversal of Roe V Wade and Republicans threatening to enact a national ban on abortions, calling for the Supreme Court to go after marriage equality and other rulings, plus all the other stuff the GOP has been doing, I think the Democrats would retain a lot more of their new voters compared to the Republicans if Trump suddenly went away.
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On August 17 2022 05:19 JimmiC wrote:
I think you guys ascribe way to much loyalty to these people. They went from Covid is a fraud to Russia is actually fighting Nazi's in Ukraine. They will jump to DeSantis or whoever if Trump is gone and Q will tell him plat twist he is actually the Savior and trump was a deep state plant. Then all the people who held up and voted trump then went on to support him will say, we didn't really like him anyway and the train will just keep going.
They may well yes.
Or they may not.
The GOP does not appear ready to make that guess at this time.
Also aside from part wide, there is also the risk of individuals being primaries if they don't buy into the cult. Trump backed candidates appear to be winning less, but the Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party is a thing that happened and can happen again. The crazies come out to vote. That's how we got Trump to begin with.
On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?" No.
But they could not vote instead and then the GOP loses just as hard.
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