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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22117 Posts
On August 12 2022 23:29 Sermokala wrote: If the rumours are true that someone at Mar-A-Lago informed them about the documents and their location, possibly even a member of Trumps SS detail, then knowledge that the documents were there right now was exactly what they had.If you already have doubts about the institution then it just seems very weird to expect them to act incompetetly. To get a raid warrant for something like this and not just a former President they needed enough evidence to say that they all but knew that the documents were there now. Not was there at some point but there at the moment. The warrant was motioned to be unsealed by the doj and will either be revealed or trump must ask them not to do it. Big day in history folks strap in. On August 13 2022 00:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Rumours floating around they were nuclear secrets. So yes, a pretty big deal.With how hard they are going for the 'planted evidence' angle it really feels like he actually took some insane files. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45327 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: With how hard they are going for the 'planted evidence' angle it really feels like he actually took some insane files. I shudder to think what else could be on the list besides the documents on nuclear weapons that were mentioned yesterday. What could one-up that? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9036 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I shudder to think what else could be on the list besides the documents on nuclear weapons that were mentioned yesterday. What could one-up that? A flight affidavit of him and Epstein? | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I shudder to think what else could be on the list besides the documents on nuclear weapons that were mentioned yesterday. What could one-up that? I think the question people should be asking is does anyone care about evidence? Trump already gave nuclear technology to the Saudis when he was president which was legal. He also profited off that information when he was president. Is it a problem now because he isn't president anymore or is what he did always wrong? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45327 Posts
We already have pictures (and videos?) of them buddying up, but sure, why not. Awkward props to Hillary Clinton for calling it even before Trump became president: "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." This might just be the best-aging line about Trump's presidency. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26307 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I shudder to think what else could be on the list besides the documents on nuclear weapons that were mentioned yesterday. What could one-up that? The real identity of DB Cooper? Who really shot JFK? I can’t really think of much worse, if it’s there than nuclear secrets, surely even Trump will go down if that’s the case. Makes Watergate seem quaint in comparison. in other news. Wonder if it’s related? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I shudder to think what else could be on the list besides the documents on nuclear weapons that were mentioned yesterday. What could one-up that? Yeah nuclear weapons are not really one-up-able if those articles turn out true. But could be like next gen F-22 design, missile design, performance review of weaknesses in US strategic defense, CIA satellite capabilities, big software vulnerabilities, info about whatever insane AI the DoD has developed. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35171 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I think the question people should be asking is does anyone care about evidence? Trump already gave nuclear technology to the Saudis when he was president which was legal. He also profited off that information when he was president. Is it a problem now because he isn't president anymore or is what he did always wrong? Is this a serious question? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45327 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I think the question people should be asking is does anyone care about evidence? Trump already gave nuclear technology to the Saudis when he was president which was legal. He also profited off that information when he was president. Is it a problem now because he isn't president anymore or is what he did always wrong? Those are likely two distinct issues: Regardless of what he did while president, he can't keep classified information when he returns to being a private citizen. He no longer has clearance, since he's not president anymore, and he can't just declassify all documents on the way out of office (see video below), let alone steal them. Maybe he did other illegal things when he was president, but he definitely did some illegal things as he left office (hid boxes and boxes of documents away from the National Archives). For more information on the latter: | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On August 13 2022 00:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: With how hard they are going for the 'planted evidence' angle it really feels like he actually took some insane files. Yeah, I think they got busted and they really did find conclusive evidence of actual juicy stuff. They wouldn't be gas lighting this hard otherwise. I think it also shows that the punishment for these things is extreme if they are going so far as to say its just flat out not true. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 13 2022 01:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Those are likely two distinct issues: Regardless of what he did while president, he can't keep classified information when he returns to being a private citizen. He no longer has clearance, since he's not president anymore, and he can't just declassify all documents on the way out of office (see video below), let alone steal them. Maybe he did other illegal things when he was president, but he definitely did some illegal things as he left office (hid boxes and boxes of documents away from the National Archives). For more information on the latter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwWcOLFPfMs The first line of the video where he says it could be a nothing burger sums up my thoughts. Unless Trump was actively selling those documents to a foreign power I don't see anything happening to him from it. I'm asking what he could have done that he would be held accountable not that if what he did was illegal. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45327 Posts
On August 13 2022 01:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: The first line of the video where he says it could be a nothing burger sums up my thoughts. Unless Trump was actively selling those documents to a foreign power I don't see anything happening to him from it. I'm asking what he could have done that he would be held accountable not that if what he did was illegal. I guess it depends on how we define nothing burger. If "something illegal that isn't going to destroy our country" is your definition, then I might agree with you there... as long as "illegal" is axiomatically integrated into the definition. He might not be giving nuclear information to his Russian handler, but what he did is not allowed. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22117 Posts
If this is just the FBI taking the documents and pretending it never happened with no consequences for their theft its a nothing burger. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took around 20 boxes of items, binders of photos, a handwritten note and the executive grant of clemency for Mr. Trump’s ally Roger Stone, a list of items removed from the property shows. Also included in the list was information about the “President of France,” according to the three-page list. The list is contained in a seven-page document that also includes the warrant to search the premises which was granted by a federal magistrate judge in Florida. Source | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45327 Posts
On August 13 2022 03:11 JimmiC wrote: My question is all the people who are so committed to the fantasy of some great conspiracy where Trump is the savior and the storm is coming and blah blah. How will they react if he is arrested and eventually convicted? I think there is little chance they come out of the fantasy so do they get violent? Do they just move their savior fantasy onto someone else like perhaps DeSantis? Trump is not a normal political figure he is way closer to religious one for the MAGA and QAnon crowd. Will this be some sort of Martyrdom? Maybe another insurrection, similar to January 6th? I wonder if DeSantis will comment on Trump's situation during the primary, whether he embraces the "Trump Is Innocent" conspiracy, distances himself from it, or decides not to comment at all. It would certainly be (masochistically) interesting for a presidential candidate to try to completely end the Department of Justice, whether that's DeSantis or Trump. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
But yeah there is still a lot of don't thread on me people who think Biden hired an army of 80k armed IRS armed agents to fuck up their local cornerstore | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/l6XWF2A.png) Its starting to look like he's totally boned. We are speed running the gaslighting phases at record pace. This any % run is definitely going to be a WR. 1) The raid was illegal 2) The raid planted evidence 3) Obama did something worse He seems to definitely be sticking to his general strategy of using his influence to try to sway public opinion in his favor. That works well when you're president but it doesn't work well when you're not. If the situation is really how it looks, there will likely be a trial where its clear as day he is going to be convicted of major crimes. I think this will be Jan6 round 2 and people will try to violently storm the courtroom to prevent a verdict. Basically the FBI attack on steroids. | ||
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