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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45327 Posts
On August 13 2022 07:52 plasmidghost wrote: Trump really is about to say he only committed light treason once it becomes apparent he's fucked He'll never admit it. He can't even admit that he lost the election or popular votes. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Why is that possible? Shouldn't there be practices in place that prevent such a thing? With trump you know he doesn't give a shit about much other than himself but the people employed there, not so sure. Feels kinda wrong that they were be able to removed by a clown like trump. But honestly, what do I know. | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On August 13 2022 08:19 Artisreal wrote: I wonder with top secret information leaving facilities they never should've left... Why is that possible? Shouldn't there be practices in place that prevent such a thing? With trump you know he doesn't give a shit about much other than himself but the people employed there, not so sure. Feels kinda wrong that they were be able to removed by a clown like trump. But honestly, what do I know. I imagine these are questions investigators are asking themselves, they suggest the documents were retrieved in some fashion given that, as you point out, they were almost certainly not simply lying around the White House for the taking. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9036 Posts
On August 13 2022 08:33 farvacola wrote: I imagine these are questions investigators are asking themselves, they suggest the documents were retrieved in some fashion given that, as you point out, they were almost certainly not simply lying around the White House for the taking. I'd assume, probably incorrectly, that once he filled the admin with his goons, getting anyone to check out docs wouldn't be his problem. If they had a record of who checked out what, it'd be simple. But there were probably some threats, quid pro quo, and strict witness protection clauses throughout the whole ting. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On August 13 2022 08:02 JimmiC wrote: Considering how nothing Trump says is ever honest, his inner circle is full of people with the same agenda. How do we know who has seen and has copies of these documents already? How much damage to national and global security has already happened? Is there any way to know? The guy was President for 4 years dude. I wouldn't dwell on that last question too much if you'd like to sleep at night. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Trump is out there trying to convince somebody, anybody that secret government documents that are almost guaranteed to pertain to national security should be less classified than whatever he refused to say during his interrogation by the New York AG. What a piece of shit. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35171 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26307 Posts
On August 13 2022 12:17 Gahlo wrote: But wait, it gets worse. Trump sent the warrant to Breitbart without the agents' names redacted. I hope even an outlet like Breitbart redacted them when it came to publication. The most baffling part about Trump’s rise to power and continued political prominence is how such an obviously contemptible man inspires quite so much admiration and devotion. There are plenty of strongmen leaders through history I find morally repugnant, but there’s at least some facet of them whose wider appeal i at least understand. Be it ruthless competence, genuine patriotism or whatever. Trump doesn’t even tick those boxes. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On August 13 2022 12:45 WombaT wrote: I hope even an outlet like Breitbart redacted them when it came to publication. They didn't. Breitbart doxed them. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On August 13 2022 14:21 NewSunshine wrote: You can't be serious... I refuse to give Breitbart clicks so here's newsweek talking about the doxxing, but yeah they doxxed them. They didn't censor the names of the FBI agents on the copy of the search warrant Trump gave them. https://www.newsweek.com/breitbart-slammed-doxxing-fbi-agents-involved-mar-lago-raid-1733401 | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
rofl. So the same search warrant that he himself demanded to be unsealed. You mean that one right Marjorie? https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3599038-marjorie-taylor-greene-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-garland/ | ||
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
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FeatherPlanes
45 Posts
On August 13 2022 14:21 NewSunshine wrote: You can't be serious... No, this is typical US conservative modus operandi. This has happened time and time again where US conservatives "accidently" doxx individuals because they know their supporters are so mentally deranged that they'll harass individuals into silence or injury. See Republicans doxxing the doctor and girl who got an abortion across state lines. Or the whole Sandy Hook ordeal where everyone keeps hiding under the concept that they're not to blame for the mentally unwell who harass the families. Its basically the type of threat you'd see straight out of The Sopranos, enough plausible deniability that people around you can convince themselves you had no responsibility for someone getting whacked but is clear enough that everyone knows you were directly involved. The "lone wolf" theory. Really, the last few years have shown that existing active Republicans are beyond saving as human beings. Only when they choose to retire do they try to save their souls in the face of God and public opinion. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45327 Posts
On August 13 2022 16:58 Taelshin wrote: sorry I'm late again to the party, what did Trump actually do this time? nuclear weapons? classified stuff? what is he going down for? Here's my understanding of what's been going on, and I hope someone can correct any mistakes I've made in this summary: This past spring, Trump received a federal grand jury subpoena for documents he had been suspected of taking when he left office. When the president leaves office and goes back to being a private citizen, all government documents are to be retained by the White House / National Archives for protection and the passing on to the next president, but the FBI had realized that Trump did not do this with an enormous amount of information. The FBI was able to recover some of these documents from Mar-a-Lago in June, but it was clear that there was still a lot missing, so the FBI was able to show probable cause and receive a search warrant for Trump's Mar-a-Lago property, with this investigation being overseen by the Attorney General of the Department of Justice, Merrick Garland. When the FBI came back to the Florida property, a few days ago, they found dozens of additional boxes of documents that Trump had illegally "kept" (at this point, "stolen"). In addition to that, many of those boxes included documents with varying levels of confidentiality, such as Classified, Secret, and Top Secret. This is an additional level of criminality, as Trump is a private citizen and no longer has security clearance, but Trump asserted that he declassified everything he kept (setting aside the first fact that he's not allowed to "keep" anything). There is no documentation or record or labeling of those things ever being declassified while he was in office, and he can't declassify anything now that he's out of office, so it's almost certain that he's simply claiming he declassified them (back when he was president) to try to avoid even more trouble. Furthermore, while the president can generally declassify classified information (when he's in office), there are some things even he can't unilaterally declassify. For example, as per the Atomic Energy Acts of the 1940s and 1950s, sensitive nuclear documentation requires multiple parties (not just the president) to come to a formal, multi-step consensus before becoming declassified, for extreme safety and security reasons. Trump had such nuclear documents with him, which he could never simply declassify on his own (and, apparently, never tell anyone). For all these reasons, he's being investigated for some incredibly serious crimes (e.g., he's violated the Espionage Act), but no one yet knows what kinds of charges (let alone consequences) Trump will experience. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1066 Posts
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