EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 3751
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Gorsameth
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DarkPlasmaBall
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JimmiC
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
On August 13 2022 03:11 JimmiC wrote: My question is all the people who are so committed to the fantasy of some great conspiracy where Trump is the savior and the storm is coming and blah blah. How will they react if he is arrested and eventually convicted? I think there is little chance they come out of the fantasy so do they get violent? Do they just move their savior fantasy onto someone else like perhaps DeSantis? Trump is not a normal political figure he is way closer to religious one for the MAGA and QAnon crowd. Will this be some sort of Martyrdom? It’s a simple as saving the GOP platform. If they disavowed Trump outright, half of the candidates running or in office are America First! It would doom GOP for like a decade. They want to delay that, if not win outright | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On August 13 2022 04:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: My favorite part is how he *still* goes out of his way to point out Obama's middle name. Appealing to racism and xenophobia by implying that someone with Hussein anywhere in his name must be a terrorist is an American classic. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/jB0K9a3.jpg) Here’s the supposed list of items seized. I think this is game over guys. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On August 13 2022 06:14 Mohdoo wrote: Here’s the supposed list of items seized. I think this is game over guys. That's not even all of it. There's 2 and a half pages of items seized. Here's the full text of the warrant and property receipt for those interested: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/08/12/nation/read-unsealed-documents-related-fbi-raid-trumps-mar-a-lago-home/ | ||
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Mohdoo
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StasisField
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DarkPlasmaBall
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StasisField
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On August 13 2022 06:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: To be clear, it's illegal for him to still have Classified, Secret, and Top Secret documents - like all the ones that were just seized - right? As I understand it, yes. Even if he did declassify them (which he most likely didn't), that doesn't mean he has the legal right to be in possession of them. If this is incorrect, I welcome anyone to correct me. EDIT: Some of these documents, like the SCI documents, aren't even supposed to leave certain secure facilities, much less be on some unsecure private property. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On August 13 2022 06:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: To be clear, it's illegal for him to still have Classified, Secret, and Top Secret documents - like all the ones that were just seized - right? It’s so illegal it violates multiple laws. Not only does it violate the records law trump signed himself, it also violates certain document possession provisions of the Espionage Act. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32761 Posts
And in other news, the IRA passed the House, which sends it to Biden for his signature. With the IRA, CHIPS, and BIF, there's been around $500 billion spent on clean energy and climate-related funding in Biden's presidency through Congress. It also enables Medicare to negotiate for drug prices, which was something the Democrats were looking to pass for years. It is far from the original ambitions of BBB, but still a pretty nice bill for Democratic priorities, especially considering where Manchin left it just a few weeks ago. | ||
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On August 13 2022 06:45 StasisField wrote: As I understand it, yes. Even if he did declassify them (which he most likely didn't), that doesn't mean he has the legal right to be in possession of them. If this is incorrect, I welcome anyone to correct me. EDIT: Some of these documents, like the SCI documents, aren't even supposed to leave certain secure facilities, much less be on some unsecure private property. On August 13 2022 06:48 farvacola wrote: It’s so illegal it violates multiple laws. Not only does it violate the records law trump signed himself, it also violates certain document possession provisions of the Espionage Act. Wow. So Trump went from "I have no documents" to "The FBI planted those" to "I took them but I just declassified them", yet still didn't realize that you can't just announce "DECLASSIFIED!" - it has to be officially recorded through specific governmental procedures *while still being president* (which never happened), including some multi-step processes that require other groups/individuals anyway (like the nuclear documents he stole). In other words, Trump literally thinks that you can just do... this: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
I know they famously had to get Al Capone on tax evasion, of all the things he did, just because it was their best shot at getting the bad guy, but maybe we can agree that an ex-president stealing documents he has no business possessing is an open and shut case? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Not the greatest look lol | ||
micronesia
United States24813 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On August 13 2022 07:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: No court, no matter how packed with Republicans, is going to go with the notion that Trump declassified everything in his mind while still President.Seen some republican defense that presidents can declassify anything whenever they want and that Trump declassfied all that stuff in his mind but just didn't tell people yet. Not the greatest look lol That said, this is America. I would not be shocked at all if the DoJ doesn't want to actually charge Trump and hopes that with taking the documents back they can close this off and pretend it never happened. | ||
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