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On June 23 2018 04:31 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 03:46 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2018 03:34 Mohdoo wrote:On June 23 2018 03:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/supreme-court-warrants-cell-phone-privacy.htmlWASHINGTON — In a major statement on privacy in the digital age, the Supreme Court ruled on Friday that the government generally needs a warrant to collect troves of location data about the customers of cellphone companies.
“We decline to grant the state unrestricted access to a wireless carrier’s database of physical location information,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority.
The 5-to-4 decision has implications for all kinds of personal information held by third parties, including email and text messages, internet searches, and bank and credit card records. But Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., writing for the majority, said the ruling was limited.
“We hold only that a warrant is required in the rare case where the suspect has a legitimate privacy interest in records held by a third party,” the chief justice wrote. The court’s four more liberal members — Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan — joined his opinion.
Each of the four other justices wrote a dissent, with the five opinions running to more than 120 pages. In one dissent, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said the distinctions drawn by the majority were illogical and “will frustrate principled application of the Fourth Amendment in many routine yet vital law enforcement operations.”
“Cell-site records,” he wrote, “are uniquely suited to help the government develop probable cause to apprehend some of the nation’s most dangerous criminals: serial killers, rapists, arsonists, robbers, and so forth.” There's also this ruling made by Supreme Court this week on data privacy. They've been pretty active it seems, especially on the digital end where we extremely need it, in my opinion. My view is that anything with a password or unique identifier should be treated as if it was a physical safe with a lock. That gets real weird when you have each application on the phone having its own password and the court has to issue a warrant to each company to unlock their application. They unlock the phone and surprise, a new set of passwords and a new company that requires a search warrant. Unlock those applications, surprise, new passwords for from a difference software company. I see no problem with this. I think this is how it should be. The fact that phones act as focusing points for many things should not imply those things can not be distinct and separate. Someone having access to my phone should not mean they have access to my various authenticators, bank stuff, work email...everything. You could say many people's entire lives are on their cell phones. One size fits all would be VERY bad.
But this is about the government getting an order to search your phone and all the data on it. And the issue with the system you are describing is companies that are impossible to serve with a search warrant can create apps for the phone or PC. A company in China that creates an encrypted cloud storage app isn't going to give a shit about a US search warrant.
I am not advocating that encryption or password shouldn’t be allowed. I work around would be to require Apple to not allow companies to sell secure apps unless they were a US company and agreed to comply with search warrants when served with them. It isn’t that we need to change the software, but just make sure whoever is selling is prepare to comply with US law.
Of course, this is for cloud storage and other things that the company would have control over. Congress needs to make a path for both sides to use that allows law enforcement to do its thing without having to ask for back doors into phone or other non-sense that has come up recently.
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He styles himself as America's best-known pimp, a strip-club owner who runs multiple brothels and looks set to win a seat as a Republican in the Nevada legislature with the blessing of many conservative Christian voters.
Meet Dennis Hof, whose political rise reflects fundamental changes in electoral norms that have roiled the Republican Party and upended American politics during the era of President Donald Trump.
“This really is the Trump movement,” Hof, 71, told Reuters in an interview at Moonlite BunnyRanch, his brothel near Carson City in northern Nevada that was featured on the HBO reality television series "Cathouse."
“People will set aside for a moment their moral beliefs, their religious beliefs, to get somebody that is honest in office," he said. "Trump is the trailblazer, he is the Christopher Columbus of honest politics."
There's no point in basing your political identity on anything related to morality when you've voted for people like this guy and Donald Trump. And why do Trump and this guy make their appeal based on their honesty? When that is the exact opposite of what they are? This guy said Donald Trump is the "Christopher Columbus of honest politics." It doesn't get more cartoonish than people like this.
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George Carlin nailed it in a video I posted a while back but Trump is exactly the 'honesty' Amerikkka ordered. He's honest about being completely full of shit.
We couldn't deal with an honest president.
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On June 23 2018 06:17 JimmiC wrote:
That actually makes sense because Christopher Columbus was a liar too. He didn't discover the new world.
He was also a shit person that should be publicly remembered for his horrible acts first and foremost.
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Speaking of which:
FACT CHECK: Trump, Illegal Immigration And Crime
After days of damaging news stories about an administration policy that separated immigrant families at the southern border, President Trump tried to change the narrative Friday. He spoke up for grieving family members who've lost loved ones at the hands of people in the country illegally.
Trump has frequently pointed to sympathetic crime victims to justify his get-tough policies at the southern border. But experts say the president's rhetoric overstates the threat posed by immigrants, who tend to commit crime at lower rates than people who are born in the United States.
"These are the families the media ignores," Trump said of crime victims. "These are the stories that Democrats and people that are weak on immigration, they don't want to discuss, they don't want to hear, they don't want to see, they don't want to talk about."
The president was joined at the White House by more than a dozen parents whose children were killed — in some cases in traffic accidents — by immigrants in the country illegally. Their stories offered a counterpoint to those filling newspapers and television broadcasts this week of immigrant children forcibly separated from their parents after crossing the southern border illegally.
Trump reversed course and ended his family separation policy on Wednesday. But he vowed to continue a crackdown on illegal immigration, defying critics.
"They don't talk about the death and destruction caused by people who shouldn't be here," the president said. "People that will continuously get into trouble and do bad things."
During the 2016 campaign, Trump often highlighted the case of Kate Steinle, who was fatally shot in San Francisco by Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, a Mexican national who had repeatedly crossed the border illegally. Garcia Zarate was acquitted of second-degree murder last year. A California jury was apparently persuaded by the defense argument that the shooting was accidental.
While any death is tragic, a February 2018 study by the Cato Institute using 2015 crime statistics from Texas found immigrants in the country illegally were 25 percent less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans. (Legal immigrants were 87 percent less likely.)
According to the study, immigrants in the country illegally were also 11.5 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of sexual assault and 79 percent less likely to be convicted of larceny.
The study found higher conviction rates among illegal immigrants for gambling, kidnapping, smuggling and vagrancy, but those offenses were rare and made up a tiny fraction of overall crime in Texas in 2015.
A separate March 2018 study in the journal Criminology looked at whether violent crime increases as the number of immigrants living illegally in a community goes up. Researchers found it does not. If anything, the opposite is true. Violent crime appears to fall when more immigrants are living in a community illegally.
Trump disputed those findings during his White House event Friday but he did not offer evidence to the contrary.
In the past, the president has exaggerated threats facing the U.S. to justify his travel ban, tough-on-crime measures and a now-folded commission on voter fraud.
Source
After getting slapped around for his efforts to commit mass child abuse, Trump has gone back to the well of illegal immigration and crime. He held a press conference thing with the amazingly named “Angel Families” who lost family members to crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Of course his math doesn’t check out and he was attacking asylum seekers with his policy. But that doesn’t mean much, Trump run back to the warm arms of the racism he used to appeal to the worst aspects of America.
And lets not forget the GOP endorsed canidate below:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/kfile-seth-grossman/index.html
In one April 2015 Facebook post, Grossman shared a news article about Muslim migrants throwing Christians overboard from a refugee raft in the Mediterranean and added: "This is where 'multi-culturalism' and 'diversity' has taken us."
In December 2015, Grossman wrote that Kwanzaa was "a phony holiday invented in 1960's by black racists to weaken and divide Americans during a Christmas season of joy and good will."
In other posts, Grossman said faithful Muslims cannot be good Americans, called Islam a cancer and said gay men with HIV should have been quarantined in the 1980s.
"Over the years, I often made provocative statements for the purpose of provoking interest and open discussion on vitally important issues I believed were being ignored," Grossman told CNN's KFile in an email. "Although some of the statements in your email below include some generalizations and remarks that may be offensive to some, I believe they were necessary to bring attention to important issues. I also believe them to be substantially true."
My favorite part is how he doesn't deny it, but acts like he is promoting discussion. Spreading the word one might say. It is a troubling trend that people like him are able to find footing in the GOP, even if they can't win in the district.
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On June 23 2018 06:49 Plansix wrote:And lets not forget the GOP endorsed canidate below: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/kfile-seth-grossman/index.htmlShow nested quote +In one April 2015 Facebook post, Grossman shared a news article about Muslim migrants throwing Christians overboard from a refugee raft in the Mediterranean and added: "This is where 'multi-culturalism' and 'diversity' has taken us."
In December 2015, Grossman wrote that Kwanzaa was "a phony holiday invented in 1960's by black racists to weaken and divide Americans during a Christmas season of joy and good will."
In other posts, Grossman said faithful Muslims cannot be good Americans, called Islam a cancer and said gay men with HIV should have been quarantined in the 1980s.
"Over the years, I often made provocative statements for the purpose of provoking interest and open discussion on vitally important issues I believed were being ignored," Grossman told CNN's KFile in an email. "Although some of the statements in your email below include some generalizations and remarks that may be offensive to some, I believe they were necessary to bring attention to important issues. I also believe them to be substantially true." My favorite part is how he doesn't deny it, but acts like he is promoting discussion. Spreading the word one might say. It is a troubling trend that people like him are able to find footing in the GOP, even if they can't win in the district.
Assholes will always be assholes, especially when they are making comments like the ones you mentioned above.
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On June 23 2018 06:49 Plansix wrote:Speaking of which: Show nested quote +FACT CHECK: Trump, Illegal Immigration And Crime
After days of damaging news stories about an administration policy that separated immigrant families at the southern border, President Trump tried to change the narrative Friday. He spoke up for grieving family members who've lost loved ones at the hands of people in the country illegally.
Trump has frequently pointed to sympathetic crime victims to justify his get-tough policies at the southern border. But experts say the president's rhetoric overstates the threat posed by immigrants, who tend to commit crime at lower rates than people who are born in the United States.
"These are the families the media ignores," Trump said of crime victims. "These are the stories that Democrats and people that are weak on immigration, they don't want to discuss, they don't want to hear, they don't want to see, they don't want to talk about."
The president was joined at the White House by more than a dozen parents whose children were killed — in some cases in traffic accidents — by immigrants in the country illegally. Their stories offered a counterpoint to those filling newspapers and television broadcasts this week of immigrant children forcibly separated from their parents after crossing the southern border illegally.
Trump reversed course and ended his family separation policy on Wednesday. But he vowed to continue a crackdown on illegal immigration, defying critics.
"They don't talk about the death and destruction caused by people who shouldn't be here," the president said. "People that will continuously get into trouble and do bad things."
During the 2016 campaign, Trump often highlighted the case of Kate Steinle, who was fatally shot in San Francisco by Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, a Mexican national who had repeatedly crossed the border illegally. Garcia Zarate was acquitted of second-degree murder last year. A California jury was apparently persuaded by the defense argument that the shooting was accidental.
While any death is tragic, a February 2018 study by the Cato Institute using 2015 crime statistics from Texas found immigrants in the country illegally were 25 percent less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans. (Legal immigrants were 87 percent less likely.)
According to the study, immigrants in the country illegally were also 11.5 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of sexual assault and 79 percent less likely to be convicted of larceny.
The study found higher conviction rates among illegal immigrants for gambling, kidnapping, smuggling and vagrancy, but those offenses were rare and made up a tiny fraction of overall crime in Texas in 2015.
A separate March 2018 study in the journal Criminology looked at whether violent crime increases as the number of immigrants living illegally in a community goes up. Researchers found it does not. If anything, the opposite is true. Violent crime appears to fall when more immigrants are living in a community illegally.
Trump disputed those findings during his White House event Friday but he did not offer evidence to the contrary.
In the past, the president has exaggerated threats facing the U.S. to justify his travel ban, tough-on-crime measures and a now-folded commission on voter fraud. Source
I'd like if they delved deep into why the crime rate, especially of violent crime, is so much lower for legal immigrants. That is a pretty fucking substantial difference there that American society could benefit from.
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An immigrant from Mexico stopped in 100° weather today to help me change a flat tire. 100% would recommend, bring more Mexicans.
Also it has been 18 months since I heard from USCIS regarding my green card renewal. Legal immigration in the US is a joke. Literally all they need to do is rubber stamp a renewal and send me a new card, I didn't ask for any change of status etc, they don't need to verify anything. The process is meant to take no more than a year (although it should take days). I've now had to go to a USCIS office twice to get provisional extensions on my expired green card granted while I wait for the replacement green card to arrive.
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On June 23 2018 08:31 KwarK wrote:
An immigrant from Mexico stopped in 100° weather today to help me change a flat tire. 100% would recommend, bring more Mexicans.
Also it has been 18 months since I heard from USCIS regarding my green card renewal. Legal immigration in the US is a joke. Literally all they need to do is rubber stamp a renewal and send me a new card, I didn't ask for any change of status etc, they don't need to verify anything. The process is meant to take no more than a year (although it should take days). I've now had to go to a USCIS office twice to get provisional extensions on my expired green card granted while I wait for the replacement green card to arrive.
Don’t tell them the story about the Mexican, that seems to be a think they are against this administration.
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It almost feels like when you talk to someone who isn't up their own arse, that all of Trump's, and the GOP's, talking points on immigration are complete nonsense. And that trying to boil down a super complex issue into "immigrants bad, particularly if they're brown" isn't actually based on anything. Who would've thought?
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On June 23 2018 08:01 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 06:49 Plansix wrote:Speaking of which: FACT CHECK: Trump, Illegal Immigration And Crime
After days of damaging news stories about an administration policy that separated immigrant families at the southern border, President Trump tried to change the narrative Friday. He spoke up for grieving family members who've lost loved ones at the hands of people in the country illegally.
Trump has frequently pointed to sympathetic crime victims to justify his get-tough policies at the southern border. But experts say the president's rhetoric overstates the threat posed by immigrants, who tend to commit crime at lower rates than people who are born in the United States.
"These are the families the media ignores," Trump said of crime victims. "These are the stories that Democrats and people that are weak on immigration, they don't want to discuss, they don't want to hear, they don't want to see, they don't want to talk about."
The president was joined at the White House by more than a dozen parents whose children were killed — in some cases in traffic accidents — by immigrants in the country illegally. Their stories offered a counterpoint to those filling newspapers and television broadcasts this week of immigrant children forcibly separated from their parents after crossing the southern border illegally.
Trump reversed course and ended his family separation policy on Wednesday. But he vowed to continue a crackdown on illegal immigration, defying critics.
"They don't talk about the death and destruction caused by people who shouldn't be here," the president said. "People that will continuously get into trouble and do bad things."
During the 2016 campaign, Trump often highlighted the case of Kate Steinle, who was fatally shot in San Francisco by Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, a Mexican national who had repeatedly crossed the border illegally. Garcia Zarate was acquitted of second-degree murder last year. A California jury was apparently persuaded by the defense argument that the shooting was accidental.
While any death is tragic, a February 2018 study by the Cato Institute using 2015 crime statistics from Texas found immigrants in the country illegally were 25 percent less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans. (Legal immigrants were 87 percent less likely.)
According to the study, immigrants in the country illegally were also 11.5 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of sexual assault and 79 percent less likely to be convicted of larceny.
The study found higher conviction rates among illegal immigrants for gambling, kidnapping, smuggling and vagrancy, but those offenses were rare and made up a tiny fraction of overall crime in Texas in 2015.
A separate March 2018 study in the journal Criminology looked at whether violent crime increases as the number of immigrants living illegally in a community goes up. Researchers found it does not. If anything, the opposite is true. Violent crime appears to fall when more immigrants are living in a community illegally.
Trump disputed those findings during his White House event Friday but he did not offer evidence to the contrary.
In the past, the president has exaggerated threats facing the U.S. to justify his travel ban, tough-on-crime measures and a now-folded commission on voter fraud. Source I'd like if they delved deep into why the crime rate, especially of violent crime, is so much lower for legal immigrants. That is a pretty fucking substantial difference there that American society could benefit from.
did you read the underlying study? (I haven't yet, just wondering if it'd have answers to your query, or if it's what you checked already before querying).
determining a why is generally a far far harder task than determining a that.
There's certainly a number of possibilities which could explain such differences.
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On June 23 2018 08:01 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 06:49 Plansix wrote:Speaking of which: FACT CHECK: Trump, Illegal Immigration And Crime
After days of damaging news stories about an administration policy that separated immigrant families at the southern border, President Trump tried to change the narrative Friday. He spoke up for grieving family members who've lost loved ones at the hands of people in the country illegally.
Trump has frequently pointed to sympathetic crime victims to justify his get-tough policies at the southern border. But experts say the president's rhetoric overstates the threat posed by immigrants, who tend to commit crime at lower rates than people who are born in the United States.
"These are the families the media ignores," Trump said of crime victims. "These are the stories that Democrats and people that are weak on immigration, they don't want to discuss, they don't want to hear, they don't want to see, they don't want to talk about."
The president was joined at the White House by more than a dozen parents whose children were killed — in some cases in traffic accidents — by immigrants in the country illegally. Their stories offered a counterpoint to those filling newspapers and television broadcasts this week of immigrant children forcibly separated from their parents after crossing the southern border illegally.
Trump reversed course and ended his family separation policy on Wednesday. But he vowed to continue a crackdown on illegal immigration, defying critics.
"They don't talk about the death and destruction caused by people who shouldn't be here," the president said. "People that will continuously get into trouble and do bad things."
During the 2016 campaign, Trump often highlighted the case of Kate Steinle, who was fatally shot in San Francisco by Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, a Mexican national who had repeatedly crossed the border illegally. Garcia Zarate was acquitted of second-degree murder last year. A California jury was apparently persuaded by the defense argument that the shooting was accidental.
While any death is tragic, a February 2018 study by the Cato Institute using 2015 crime statistics from Texas found immigrants in the country illegally were 25 percent less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans. (Legal immigrants were 87 percent less likely.)
According to the study, immigrants in the country illegally were also 11.5 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of sexual assault and 79 percent less likely to be convicted of larceny.
The study found higher conviction rates among illegal immigrants for gambling, kidnapping, smuggling and vagrancy, but those offenses were rare and made up a tiny fraction of overall crime in Texas in 2015.
A separate March 2018 study in the journal Criminology looked at whether violent crime increases as the number of immigrants living illegally in a community goes up. Researchers found it does not. If anything, the opposite is true. Violent crime appears to fall when more immigrants are living in a community illegally.
Trump disputed those findings during his White House event Friday but he did not offer evidence to the contrary.
In the past, the president has exaggerated threats facing the U.S. to justify his travel ban, tough-on-crime measures and a now-folded commission on voter fraud. Source I'd like if they delved deep into why the crime rate, especially of violent crime, is so much lower for legal immigrants. That is a pretty fucking substantial difference there that American society could benefit from.
I'd suspect because they value being here, while we take it for granted. The people coming here are finding better situations, even if they aren't in great ones. Double for the illegals, who know if they screw up and get caught there's a risk of deportation.
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Regardless of whether illegal immigrants commit more or less crime, ignoring the law is an affront to justice. If you believe anyone who enters America should be allowed to stay, then campaign so that the law reflects your wishes. (I doubt many Americans will agree with letting anyone who comes stay.) It is truly sickening to see people advocating ignoring laws and impeding law enforcement.
In Australia everyone agrees that if you want in to Australia, you should do so via legal routes and anyone trying to go around the system gets kicked out. I don't know why so many people in America welcome people breaking laws and coming whenever they please.
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On June 23 2018 11:27 gobbledydook wrote:
Regardless of whether illegal immigrants commit more or less crime, ignoring the law is an affront to justice. If you believe anyone who enters America should be allowed to stay, then campaign so that the law reflects your wishes. (I doubt many Americans will agree with letting anyone who comes stay.) It is truly sickening to see people advocating ignoring laws and impeding law enforcement.
In Australia everyone agrees that if you want in to Australia, you should do so via legal routes and anyone trying to go around the system gets kicked out. I don't know why so many people in America welcome people breaking laws and coming whenever they please.
I don't actually know how large that number is. I think if the Democrats think that "Abolish ICE" and walking up to the line on open borders is going to give them success, I think they will throw away victory. I posted a poll (admittedly just one) showing that even almost half of Democrats support family detention. The American people are not in favor of open borders.
That being said, the number who don't seem to care is still too high.
Time is on the radicals' side though, the status quo lawlessness only increases future Democratic voter rolls.
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On June 23 2018 11:27 gobbledydook wrote:
Regardless of whether illegal immigrants commit more or less crime, ignoring the law is an affront to justice. If you believe anyone who enters America should be allowed to stay, then campaign so that the law reflects your wishes. (I doubt many Americans will agree with letting anyone who comes stay.) It is truly sickening to see people advocating ignoring laws and impeding law enforcement.
In Australia everyone agrees that if you want in to Australia, you should do so via legal routes and anyone trying to go around the system gets kicked out. I don't know why so many people in America welcome people breaking laws and coming whenever they please.
The problem with your argument is no one is arguing for open borders. We are discussion the lies our president tells to justify he cruel actions at the border. Like abusing children.
Crossing the border illegal is a misdemeanor in the US.
The people crossing the border are asylum seekers. Illegal immingants in the US overstay their visas.
The first step to requestion asylum, as shown on the governments webiste is “Arrive in America.”
This whole mythical argument about an affront a law is based on fictions about immigration.
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I for one have a long list of laws I think should be ignored, and view many of the laws themselves as an affront to justice. Ignoring them is the righteous thing to do imo.
Also I'm nbever sure if people who make the "but the law" argument are sincere or using it rhetorically. I mean laws get ignored all day every day countless times. It's the reason the freeways aren't just lines of people waiting for tickets.
On the "more Dem voters" that only makes sense in people's heads. First you have to abandon any hope that these traditionally conservative people can be won by the conservative party, After that the numbers just don't add up.
If Democrats imagine their immigration policy as any way a ploy to turn "illegal immigrants" into Dem voters they are failing miserably at both getting immigrants into the country and getting their votes and they always have been.
I honestly don't get how after about 30 seconds people don't realize how foolish the "Dems do it for more illegal immigrant voters" argument is?
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On June 23 2018 13:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I for one have a long list of laws I think should be ignored, and view many of the laws themselves as an affront to justice. Ignoring them is the righteous thing to do imo.
Also I'm nbever sure if people who make the "but the law" argument are sincere or using it rhetorically. I mean laws get ignored all day every day countless times. It's the reason the freeways aren't just lines of people waiting for tickets.
On the "more Dem voters" that only makes sense in people's heads. First you have to abandon any hope that these traditionally conservative people can be won by the conservative party, After that the numbers just don't add up.
If Democrats imagine their immigration policy as any way a ploy to turn "illegal immigrants" into Dem voters they are failing miserably at both getting immigrants into the country and getting their votes and they always have been.
I honestly don't get how after about 30 seconds people don't realize how foolish the "Dems do it for more illegal immigrant voters" argument is?
There's a lot here, but don't forget that an illegal alien who had a kid gives birth to a citizen. That alone increases the numbers. You do agree that immigration is part of Democratic national strategy?
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It makes sense to cover up what all immigrantion limits are about, keeping a specific group of people out of the country.
Edit: The democrats are on a 30 year master plan to take over America with the children of illegal immigrants? You do know babies cannot vote right?
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