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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
February 05 2021 19:36 GMT
#61361
What bothers me a lot is that we have so much data nowadays spanning so many different perspectives that if you were to ask Facebook what the minimum wage should be as a function of area code, they could have an answer for you by the end of the day. Minimum wage should be area code specific and rise with inflation. There's no reason this isn't some calculated parameter.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-05 20:05:05
February 05 2021 20:03 GMT
#61362
You mean along the lines of "state and local minimum wage" where you adjust based on locality? Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

A federal minimum somewhere below the value that makes sense in large cities is also warranted, to avoid very low wages in less popular localities. We should probably hike it to account for at least 12 years of inflation.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11856 Posts
February 05 2021 20:03 GMT
#61363
On February 06 2021 04:36 Mohdoo wrote:
What bothers me a lot is that we have so much data nowadays spanning so many different perspectives that if you were to ask Facebook what the minimum wage should be as a function of area code, they could have an answer for you by the end of the day. Minimum wage should be area code specific and rise with inflation. There's no reason this isn't some calculated parameter.


The reason for more of a blanket ruling is things like the classical redlining in the US. If you allow for drawing of lines it gets massively abused. Look at current gerrymandering and consider how much worse it would be in the openly racist areas of the US.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
February 05 2021 20:05 GMT
#61364
On February 06 2021 05:03 LegalLord wrote:
You mean along the lines of "state and local minimum wage" where you adjust based on locality? Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

A federal minimum somewhere below the value that makes sense in large cities is also warranted. At the very least to index it for at least 12 years of inflation.


No, not state minimum wage. That is unreliable and shitty. A national system that computes wages as a function of zip code. I'm talking about the same type of system Facebook is using to determine how to pay remote workers as a function of where they live. Forcing localities to go through the grueling process of dealing with wages is dumb. Their time could be spent much better.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
February 05 2021 21:47 GMT
#61365
I'm sure nothing bad can happen with this if it passes. Absolutely nothing bad at all. On the one hand, my inner nerd would die to live in something like this. On the other hand...it'll be the worst ran thing in existence.
The Governor of Nevada plans to introduce new legislation that would effectively allow tech companies to form separate local governments within the state. In a draft proposal obtained by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Governor Steve Sisolak calls for creating what he calls “Innovation Zones.” Were the legislation to pass, companies with substantial amounts of money that operate in verticals like blockchain, artificial intelligence and renewables would have the option to form local governments with the same powers and responsibilities as counties. That means they would be able to collect taxes, as well as operate things like school boards and courts.

Source
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21713 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-05 21:53:55
February 05 2021 21:51 GMT
#61366
On February 06 2021 06:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'm sure nothing bad can happen with this if it passes. Absolutely nothing bad at all. On the one hand, my inner nerd would die to live in something like this. On the other hand...it'll be the worst ran thing in existence.
Show nested quote +
The Governor of Nevada plans to introduce new legislation that would effectively allow tech companies to form separate local governments within the state. In a draft proposal obtained by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Governor Steve Sisolak calls for creating what he calls “Innovation Zones.” Were the legislation to pass, companies with substantial amounts of money that operate in verticals like blockchain, artificial intelligence and renewables would have the option to form local governments with the same powers and responsibilities as counties. That means they would be able to collect taxes, as well as operate things like school boards and courts.

Source
What the actual fuck Oo
Why, just what are they hoping to accomplish?
Who do 'innovative' companies need to collect taxes and operate public schools or courts?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11528 Posts
February 05 2021 21:53 GMT
#61367
On February 06 2021 06:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'm sure nothing bad can happen with this if it passes. Absolutely nothing bad at all. On the one hand, my inner nerd would die to live in something like this. On the other hand...it'll be the worst ran thing in existence.
Show nested quote +
The Governor of Nevada plans to introduce new legislation that would effectively allow tech companies to form separate local governments within the state. In a draft proposal obtained by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Governor Steve Sisolak calls for creating what he calls “Innovation Zones.” Were the legislation to pass, companies with substantial amounts of money that operate in verticals like blockchain, artificial intelligence and renewables would have the option to form local governments with the same powers and responsibilities as counties. That means they would be able to collect taxes, as well as operate things like school boards and courts.

Source


Are these people who think that the world of Shadowrun is a desirable goal we should strive for?

In Shadowrun, corporations are effectively "ranked" by the amount of assets under their control, including materiel, personnel, and property, as well as profit. These ranks are A, AA, and AAA; AAA corporations are top tier. Most corporations in the AA and AAA level are immune to domestic law, responsible only to themselves, and regulated only by the Corporate Court, an assembly of the ten AAA-rated corporations.

All AAA-rated and most AA-rated corporations also exhibit a privilege known as “extraterritoriality”, meaning that any land owned by the corp is sovereign territory only to the corp and immune to any laws of the country within. Corporate territory is not foreign soil but corporate soil, just like its employees are corporate citizens, though dual citizenship in a corporation and a nation is common.
Source
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
February 05 2021 21:55 GMT
#61368
You can look at other corporate cities like Hershey, PA and Scotia, CA to see how this will go.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 05 2021 23:57 GMT
#61369
Fox News has cancelled Lou Dobbs show. He was one of the election conspiracy mongerors, not sure wmif that's why he got cancelled. Probably the most proTrumpy of all Fox Personalities.
StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-06 00:35:05
February 06 2021 00:21 GMT
#61370
On February 06 2021 08:57 Nevuk wrote:
Fox News has cancelled Lou Dobbs show. He was one of the election conspiracy mongerors, not sure wmif that's why he got cancelled. Probably the most proTrumpy of all Fox Personalities.


Its simple. Smartmatic is suing Lou Dobbs for damging this business by eroding faith in election software and hardware. They're specifically suing Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, Jeanine Pirro, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell.

Here is the introduction of Smartmatic's complaint.

The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable.

Defendants have always known these facts. They knew Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 U.S. election. They knew the election was not stolen. They knew the election was not rigged or fixed. They knew these truths just as they knew the Earth is round and two plus two equals four.

Defendants did not want Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to win the election. They wanted President Donald Trump and Vice President Michael Pence to win re-election. Defendants were disappointed. But they also saw an opportunity to capitalize on President Trump’s popularity by inventing a story. Defendants decided to tell people that the election was stolen from President Trump and Vice President Pence.

Defendants had an obvious problem with their story. They needed a villain. They needed someone to blame. They needed someone whom they could get others to hate. A story of good versus evil, the type that would incite an angry mob, only works if the storyteller provides the audience with someone who personifies evil.

Without any true villain, Defendants invented one. Defendants decided to make Smartmatic the villain in their story. Smartmatic is an election technology and software company. It was incorporated in Delaware and its U.S. operations are headquartered in Florida. In the 2020 U.S. election, Smartmatic provided election technology and software in Los Angeles County. Nowhere else. Smartmatic had a relatively small, non-controversial role in the 2020 U.S. election.

Those facts would not do for Defendants. So, the Defendants invented new ones. In their story, Smartmatic was a Venezuelan company under the control of corrupt dictators from socialist countries. In their story, Smartmatic’s election technology and software were used in many of the states with close outcomes. And, in their story, Smartmatic was responsible for stealing the 2020 election by switching and altering votes to rig the election for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Having invented their story, and created their villain, Defendants set about spreading the word. In November and December 2020, Fox News broadcasted thirteen (13) reports stating and implying that Smartmatic had stolen the 2020 U.S. election. They repeated the story in articles and social media postings. Night after night, publication after publication, Fox News reached out to its millions of viewers and readers around the world with a story: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did not win the 2020 election; Smartmatic stole the election for them.

Defendants’ story evolved over time as they claimed evidence had come to their attention supporting the story. The story came to consist of eight themes:

  • Smartmatic’s election technology and software were widely used in the 2020 U.S. election, including in six states with close outcomes.
  • Smartmatic’s election technology and software were used by Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (“Dominion”) during the 2020 U.S. election.
  • Smartmatic’s election technology and software were used to steal the 2020 U.S. election by rigging and fixing the vote.
    Smartmatic’s election technology and software sent votes to foreign countries for tabulation and manipulation during the 2020 U.S. election.
  • Smartmatic’s election technology and software were compromised and hacked during the 2020 U.S. election.
  • Smartmatic was previously banned from being used in U.S. elections.
  • Smartmatic is a Venezuelan company that was founded and funded by
    corrupt dictators from socialist and communist countries.
  • Smartmatic’s election technology and software were designed to rig and fix elections.

Defendants’ story was a lie. All of it. And they knew it. But, it was a story that sold. Millions of individuals who saw and read Defendants’ reports believed them to be true. Smartmatic and its officers began to receive hate mail and death threats. Smartmatic’s clients and potential clients began to panic. The company’s reputation for providing transparent, auditable, and secure election technology and software was irreparably harmed. Overnight, Smartmatic went from an under-the-radar election technology and software company with a track record of success to the villain in Defendants’ disinformation campaign.

Smartmatic’s loss was Defendants’ gain. Fox News used the story to preserve its grip on viewers and readers and curry favors with the outgoing administration – one of their anchors was even able to get a pardon for her ex-husband. Ms. Powell used the story to raise money and enrich herself. Mr. Giuliani used the story to guarantee himself a flow of funds from the sitting President and to sell products. Defendants knew the story could not change the outcome of the election. It could, and did, make them money.

The story, of course, did more than just make Defendants’ money and jeopardize Smartmatic’s survival. The story undermined people’s belief in democracy. The story turned neighbor against neighbor. The story led a mob to attack the U.S. Capitol. Defendants started a fire for selfish and financial reasons and they cared not the damage their story caused to Smartmatic, its officers and employees, and the country.

With this action, Smartmatic says: Enough. Facts matter. Truth matters. Defendants engaged in a conspiracy to spread disinformation about Smartmatic. They lied. And they did so knowingly and intentionally. Smartmatic seeks to hold them accountable for those lies and for the damage that their lies have caused.


What's spooking a lot of conservative media is that private companies involved in making money from election infrastructure want blood for the complete bullshit they've peddled for 4-5 years straight. And Trump isn't president to provide infinite legal and political cover for these assholes, it feels like a lot of the floodgates are breaking without Trump shitting things up on Twitter or dictating federal policy to give his friends cover.

Unlike individuals like David Hogg or the Sandy Hook parents, companies like Dominion have money and see conservatives peddling absolute conspiracy garbage to an audience increasingly losing grasp of corporeal reality as an existential threat to their business and business model.

There's a very good clip of the Newsmax hosts losing their minds when they brought the MyPillow guy on to whine about cancel culture. When the MyPillow guy started foaming in the mouth about election fraud, they cancelled him on the spot. They wanted absolutely nothing to do with it because they know Dominion is breathing down their necks.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7242 Posts
February 06 2021 01:21 GMT
#61371
Good. Outright lies should not be tolerated on a news network.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-06 01:50:22
February 06 2021 01:31 GMT
#61372
The "documentary" MyPillow guy just aired on OAN (preceded by a minute and 30 second disclaimer from OAN claiming it was in no way their views) is almost guaranteed to get him sued by SmartMatic as well.

These people are so used to being the plaintiffs destroying the lives of little people they don't understand what happens when they're the defendent. They are incapable of realizing they could ever be the little people.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13957 Posts
February 06 2021 02:03 GMT
#61373
On February 06 2021 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The "documentary" MyPillow guy just aired on OAN (preceded by a minute and 30 second disclaimer from OAN claiming it was in no way their views) is almost guaranteed to get him sued by SmartMatic as well.

These people are so used to being the plaintiffs destroying the lives of little people they don't understand what happens when they're the defendent. They are incapable of realizing they could ever be the little people.

He wants to run for governor of Minnesota next cycle. God help us he could actually win.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 06 2021 03:34 GMT
#61374
On February 06 2021 06:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'm sure nothing bad can happen with this if it passes. Absolutely nothing bad at all. On the one hand, my inner nerd would die to live in something like this. On the other hand...it'll be the worst ran thing in existence.
Show nested quote +
The Governor of Nevada plans to introduce new legislation that would effectively allow tech companies to form separate local governments within the state. In a draft proposal obtained by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Governor Steve Sisolak calls for creating what he calls “Innovation Zones.” Were the legislation to pass, companies with substantial amounts of money that operate in verticals like blockchain, artificial intelligence and renewables would have the option to form local governments with the same powers and responsibilities as counties. That means they would be able to collect taxes, as well as operate things like school boards and courts.

Source

that's absolutely insane. i like the idea of them having communities, but when it comes/breaches into taxes, and courts, it's gone too far.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-06 03:53:33
February 06 2021 03:48 GMT
#61375
On February 06 2021 11:03 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2021 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The "documentary" MyPillow guy just aired on OAN (preceded by a minute and 30 second disclaimer from OAN claiming it was in no way their views) is almost guaranteed to get him sued by SmartMatic as well.

These people are so used to being the plaintiffs destroying the lives of little people they don't understand what happens when they're the defendent. They are incapable of realizing they could ever be the little people.

He wants to run for governor of Minnesota next cycle. God help us he could actually win.


I don't really know the guy but it seems like a Roy Moore type of situation. His most recent Newsmax interview where he got cancelled, he literally couldn't keep his penis in his pants so to speak. He was foaming in the mouth to rant how he had indisputable proof of election fraud and he would show the world come Monday. He didn't play off the hosts, didn't own the libs, didn't really do anything but yell about something that would never come true.

I know Trump exists/existed but there's a certain performance charm from Trump that obviously was appealing to his supporters. The MyPillow guy just sounds like a 3rd rate doomsday cult leader, not charming and just annoying really. He's like that anti-vaxxer who walks into a cafe screaming at you how vaccines cause autism and then starts smugly yelling how we all can't handle the truth when the person gets kicked out for being a pain in the ass disrupting business.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-06 04:24:08
February 06 2021 04:22 GMT
#61376
Having watched a large swath of the MyPillow guy's "documentary" via a Twitch stream I don't think he could survive a political campaign for very long. He managed to be both incredibly annoying and shrill and super boring. As much as I loathe Trump, I can't say his speeches have ever bored me.

Lidell would need to be propped up by a competent team, and considering who he's surrounding himself with now...not sure that could happen.

Plus...have you seen his ads? They legit feel like SNL skits.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/I060/my-pillow-roll-and-goanywhere-best-day-ever

It's so cursed it's not even on YouTube (that I could find).
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
February 06 2021 04:52 GMT
#61377
I wonder what the chances are that eligibility for stimulus checks is tougher than the others. I hope I get free money
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-06 05:50:52
February 06 2021 05:49 GMT
#61378
On February 06 2021 13:52 Mohdoo wrote:
I wonder what the chances are that eligibility for stimulus checks is tougher than the others. I hope I get free money

I read something on the order of earning $300,000 for the cutoff. I think even $150,000 would be an effective cutoff, while still helping everyone who would conceivably really badly need it. But so far, indications do not point toward a 50K cutoff or anything of the sort. I hope that holds true.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7316 Posts
February 06 2021 06:19 GMT
#61379
On February 06 2021 06:53 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2021 06:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'm sure nothing bad can happen with this if it passes. Absolutely nothing bad at all. On the one hand, my inner nerd would die to live in something like this. On the other hand...it'll be the worst ran thing in existence.
The Governor of Nevada plans to introduce new legislation that would effectively allow tech companies to form separate local governments within the state. In a draft proposal obtained by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Governor Steve Sisolak calls for creating what he calls “Innovation Zones.” Were the legislation to pass, companies with substantial amounts of money that operate in verticals like blockchain, artificial intelligence and renewables would have the option to form local governments with the same powers and responsibilities as counties. That means they would be able to collect taxes, as well as operate things like school boards and courts.

Source


Are these people who think that the world of Shadowrun is a desirable goal we should strive for?

Show nested quote +
In Shadowrun, corporations are effectively "ranked" by the amount of assets under their control, including materiel, personnel, and property, as well as profit. These ranks are A, AA, and AAA; AAA corporations are top tier. Most corporations in the AA and AAA level are immune to domestic law, responsible only to themselves, and regulated only by the Corporate Court, an assembly of the ten AAA-rated corporations.

All AAA-rated and most AA-rated corporations also exhibit a privilege known as “extraterritoriality”, meaning that any land owned by the corp is sovereign territory only to the corp and immune to any laws of the country within. Corporate territory is not foreign soil but corporate soil, just like its employees are corporate citizens, though dual citizenship in a corporation and a nation is common.
Source


Company towns were such a large success, let's try again and have the tech companies with the means to constantly surveil the populace be the ones to start it up!

Are we due to enter the Sixth World anytime soon? Start practicing your shamanic rituals and reading up on Aztec blood magic early folks.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-06 10:27:58
February 06 2021 10:19 GMT
#61380
Its about time, i just hope i wont turn into Troll

Anyway there is this book "Water knife" by Paolo Bacigalupi with similiar theme US states warying with each other over the water from Coloardo river, with Corporate enclaves everywhere. Sounds about right.
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