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ZerOCoolSC2
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JimmiC
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Silvanel
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 04 2021 17:56 Slydie wrote: At least Cheney also survived. They are trying to ride both horses for the time being, the party is split right through the middle, and they can't afford to take a stand. After betting on Trump and losing everything, I hope doubling down on Trump makes them lose even more, and a divided party is a weak party. Cheney forced the vote on herself and survived by huge margins (better than 2-1). If they aren't held accountable, apparently republicans can do the right thing. MTG didn't want a vote on herself (probably because there's a decent chance she'd lose if it was a secret ballot like they used for Cheney). | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On February 05 2021 00:21 Nevuk wrote: Cheney forced the vote on herself and survived by huge margins (better than 2-1). If they aren't held accountable, apparently republicans can do the right thing. MTG didn't want a vote on herself (probably because there's a decent chance she'd lose if it was a secret ballot like they used for Cheney). The vote on Cheney conclusively proved a great deal of republican leadership thinks this is all a train wreck but want to hold on to power so they are catering to crazies. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 05 2021 04:07 Mohdoo wrote: The vote on Cheney conclusively proved a great deal of republican leadership thinks this is all a train wreck but want to hold on to power so they are catering to crazies. Holding onto power doesn't actually make much sense either. Their best bet to ever reclaim power would be to try to drag the party by force back to sanity (which is why McConnell is the one trying this, while McCarthy is trying to placate everyone). They just proved that even with crazies having outsized voting, they'll lose by several million votes nationwide. I'm betting it's a combination of primary fear and actual fear. Most of the people who go against these fucking lunatics wind up getting death threats. The democrats reaction to that seems to be to go after the people making the death threats, the republican one is to capitulate to their demands. Truly the vichy republicans. Democrats aren't even bothering to hide their contempt and I don't think they should. Pelosi addressed McCarthy in an official letter as being a "Q-CA" representative, even before he claimed he didn't know what Q was (after condemning it three times). I've heard other people referring to it as the QOP too. Like, this is a total self-inflicted wound. 25% of Republicans believing in Q doesn't mean they need to cater to them as a party to get their votes. 25% of people in general believe in insane shit and aren't bothered when people ignore them (iirc I think this is the same % as 911 truthers at its height). She went on the floor today and issued an "apology", where she claimed that she only believed and said what she did because the media was just as bad as QANON. Also, smartmatic just hit Fox News with a 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit, and also aimed it specific hosts (like Lou Dobbs) | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21713 Posts
On February 05 2021 04:17 Nevuk wrote: I imagine a fair bit of the fear stems from the Teaparty takeover after Obama. They fear getting primaries and replaced if they don't lean into the crazy. This is hardly the first time in recent history the GOP saw their fringe take the party away from them.Holding onto power doesn't actually make much sense either. Their best bet to ever reclaim power would be to try to drag the party by force back to sanity (which is why McConnell is the one trying this, while McCarthy is trying to placate everyone). They just proved that even with crazies having outsized voting, they'll lose by several million votes nationwide. I'm betting it's a combination of primary fear and actual fear. Most of the people who go against these fucking lunatics wind up getting death threats. The democrats reaction to that seems to be to go after the people making the death threats, the republican one is to capitulate to their demands. Truly the vichy republicans. Democrats aren't even bothering to hide their contempt and I don't think they should. Pelosi addressed McCarthy in an official letter as being a "Q-CA" representative, even before he claimed he didn't know what Q was (after condemning it three times). I've heard other people referring to it as the QOP too. Like, this is a total self-inflicted wound. 25% of Republicans believing in Q doesn't mean they need to cater to them as a party to get their votes. 25% of people in general believe in insane shit and aren't bothered when people ignore them (iirc I think this is the same % as 911 truthers at its height). She went on the floor today and issued an "apology", where she claimed that she only believed and said what she did because the media was just as bad as QANON. Also, smartmatic just hit Fox News with a 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit, and also aimed it specific hosts (like Lou Dobbs) Not that that excuses their behaviour. Its largely their own fault, but I imagine that is the thinking behind it. | ||
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JimmiC
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Nevuk
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On February 05 2021 04:35 JimmiC wrote: This from the crazy rightwingers is the stupidest (and that is saying a lot because she is full of stupid) opinion. How do they not seem to realize that Fox news, OAN, Bannon, Info wars and whatever are also the media. Somehow to these people "the media" is whoever disagrees with their insanity. And the media that does not, is not media.... ????? You're underestimating her crazy. It was an order of magnitude dumber/more insane than the standard line. She blamed the MSM being corrupt for believing patently false things. IE, if CNN hadn't focused so much on Russia then I wouldn't have believed in jewish space lasers! (She also said that 9/11 was real and that school shootings weren't staged... but still sounded like a qanon believer) | ||
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Belisarius
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On February 05 2021 04:17 Nevuk wrote: Holding onto power doesn't actually make much sense either. Their best bet to ever reclaim power would be to try to drag the party by force back to sanity (which is why McConnell is the one trying this, while McCarthy is trying to placate everyone). They just proved that even with crazies having outsized voting, they'll lose by several million votes nationwide. I'm not sure that this is true. They also proved that 9 in 20 Americans are fine with the most incompetent response to a major disaster in US history, and that the president can incite an actual fascist takeover of government and retain at least 8. I think most people would agree that Trump was likely to win in the absence of the pandemic. I'm not sure any of the fundamentals have changed there. Biden will take a lot of hits due to the unprecedented tire fire he's inheriting, and he also needs to appease the entire Overton window all at once in order to keep his margins. I think doubling down on the crazy is at least as good a bet as the alternative for the GOP, as terrifying as that is. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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Silvanel
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Zambrah
United States7316 Posts
On February 05 2021 21:03 Silvanel wrote: So looks like they stripped Marjorie Taylor Greene of committe positions: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55940542 Better than nothing i guess. How about the one that twited about Pelosei & co location during insurrection attempt? Did anything happend to her? No, as of right now no Congressperson who had a direct hand in the armed insurrection on the US Capitol has faced any actual consequences. They're likely trying to pillory Greene as The QAnon One in order to hold her up as a "see we did SOMETHING!" in order to avoid the rest of the garbage Republicans having to experience any negative results of their actions. | ||
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farvacola
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On February 05 2021 21:43 farvacola wrote: In a case of the US dodging a bullet it barely even knew was coming, Biden officially withdrew Judy Shelton's nomination to the Federal Reserve Board. But returning to the gold standard is suuuuuuch a good idea! /s | ||
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Mohdoo
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On February 06 2021 01:33 Mohdoo wrote: Pretty jazzed seeing the stimulus bill pass senate. This is what I like to see. Democrats at least pretending they understand what it means to win an election is a breath of fresh air Biden's minimum salary spike being struck down is a bummer though  They still have a very narrow majority. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Free money checks seem like they're going to have a more limited distribution. | ||
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