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On February 08 2021 02:27 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2021 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
I think The GQP’s votes on Trump impeachment will be seen as a referendum on Greene. And in that regard, I think Trump might be convicted of party leadership like McConnell thinks the party is soon about to be an actual cult. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell Trump gets convicted by the senate. All but 5 GOP senators voted to declare the impeachment trial unconstitutional. How are 12 of them gonna vote to convict him after in a trial they went on record to declare unconstitutional? There's no referendum on anything, they will vote against conviction but claim it's because of process/form rather than content.
I think it somewhat depends on how the trial goes.
Their vote was "we don't want a trial", to be clear. That is the ideal republican outcome : they can just ignore Trump's misdeeds and pretend they didn't happen, which is what happened last time.
It would have been the same as the last farce of a trial in the senate where they refused to hear any and all evidence and witnesses. This is different. We're going to get all evidence we want and more.
I'm not sure that we'll see a conviction, but I'd be shocked if we don't see more than 5 votes to convict. McConnell has already been hinting/leaking that he's going to convict and he voted against hearing the trial. I'd guess it's going to be either 6-7 or 25-30+. There's no real middleground : either almost all of them turn on Trump or basically no more than have now. (I only give it about a 25% chance right now, but it definitely could go up if Trump's defense is as bad as it sounds like it will be).
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I hope they'll be able to put him on the stand
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Republicans are going to ignore whatever happens during the impeachment trial. McConnell isn't going to do anything, the only thing he is good at is smashing apart the Senate and turning it into something as useless the House. He has failed to pass any reasonable legislation, even with a RRR trifecta, what makes anyone think he will be able to whip senators to decide that their current direction of the party is going to create nothing but pain and suffering.
In that regard, the Republicans are going to vote exactly like the House Republicans are: going to ignore whatever happens in the trial, pretend that everyone around them are dirty liberals trying to create disunity in America, both sides are wrong, everyone needs to move on, etc.
Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio have already shown that Republicans are just going to pretend the media persecutes them because they're conservative. Completely ignoring that they helped, indirectly or directly, and insurrection attempt on the Capitol. AOC had it right when she told Ted Cruz to fuck off and resign for trying to get Congress killed.
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First member of congress has died from COVID. Texas Republican. I'm honestly shocked it took this long, given the age of congress and the GOP refusing to wear masks. Young for a covid death, but had lung cancer as a complication.
Ron Wright (R-TX)
Not to be too morbid, but this is another problem for the GOP in 2022 - they're more likely to contract COVID due to their own behavior. (Moreso for house members than the senate, where McConnell is paranoid about covid due to his own health).
Per Dallas Morning News.
Rep. Ron Wright of Arlington died Sunday night due to COVID-19. He was 67.
His family and spokesperson confirmed Wright’s death due to the coronavirus Monday morning. The Republican congressman, who was reelected in November, also had been battling lung cancer.
Wright is the first member of Congress to die of COVID-19.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/02/08/rep-ron-wright-dies-after-battle-with-covid-19/
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It's a class of people who have never experienced any kind of direct repercussions from their political stances learning that the virus doesn't care who you are.
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Trump's defense team has cited The Gateway Pundit in their defense, using one of their articles that says BLM backed the coup attempt.
Which is like citing Louise Mensch's Patribotics blog for accusing Trump of colluding with Russia (they claimed that Orrin Hatch had become president in 2017...). Whether or not it's true, it's a shit source that makes your claim look super suspect.
I suspect we're going to see levels of defense at this or lower, since he's gone through what, 3 teams of lawyers in as many weeks? This isn't like last time when he had a crack team of lawyers. They declined, he got some good lawyers, they resigned, now he's got ??? lawyers.
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I'm honestly shocked it took this long, given the age of congress and the GOP refusing to wear masks.
Everybody in Spain have worn masks everywhere since the summer, but that did not stop 2 major waves and subsequent harsh restrictions to reverse them. There are just WAY more important factors. Even Biden started off as an extremely shitty mask user, taking it on and off as he saw fit to show off his smile. How the GOP have enjoyed rallies social events within would qualify them as dangerous negationists is another matter.
Members of congress are not your average old people, they are the ELITE with a free pass to the very best doctors, and usually very healthy for their age.
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Refusing the mask is virtue signalling at its best.
At least for the Reps that rushed to be vaccinated.
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On February 09 2021 06:50 Artisreal wrote:
Refusing the mask is virtue signalling at its best.
At least for the Reps that rushed to be vaccinated.
Resistance to masks were the most pronounced form of conservative insecurity for quite some time. What made it funny was how many of them couldn't even grasp the idea of why being told to do something that may or may not be helpful was totally fine. If the recommendation was instead "hey there's a chance wearing cat ears might prevent infection", I'd be like "Sure whatever, who gives a shit" and wear the cat ears. Conservative knee-jerk thinking is just so wildly insecure that any time someone tells you to either change or add a behavior, it's "you're not my real mom, how dare you even imply my behavior should change in any way whatsoever". Then refusing to wear a mask was like some kinda boston tea party to them.
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On February 09 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2021 06:50 Artisreal wrote:
Refusing the mask is virtue signalling at its best.
At least for the Reps that rushed to be vaccinated. Resistance to masks were the most pronounced form of conservative insecurity for quite some time. What made it funny was how many of them couldn't even grasp the idea of why being told to do something that may or may not be helpful was totally fine. If the recommendation was instead "hey there's a chance wearing cat ears might prevent infection", I'd be like "Sure whatever, who gives a shit" and wear the cat ears. Conservative knee-jerk thinking is just so wildly insecure that any time someone tells you to either change or add a behavior, it's "you're not my real mom, how dare you even imply my behavior should change in any way whatsoever". Then refusing to wear a mask was like some kinda boston tea party to them.
Lets not act like it's only conservatives being retarded when it comes to masks.
The "i can't breathe" and "it don't work" bullshitters come in all kinds of colours.
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On February 09 2021 08:38 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2021 08:34 m4ini wrote:On February 09 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:On February 09 2021 06:50 Artisreal wrote:
Refusing the mask is virtue signalling at its best.
At least for the Reps that rushed to be vaccinated. Resistance to masks were the most pronounced form of conservative insecurity for quite some time. What made it funny was how many of them couldn't even grasp the idea of why being told to do something that may or may not be helpful was totally fine. If the recommendation was instead "hey there's a chance wearing cat ears might prevent infection", I'd be like "Sure whatever, who gives a shit" and wear the cat ears. Conservative knee-jerk thinking is just so wildly insecure that any time someone tells you to either change or add a behavior, it's "you're not my real mom, how dare you even imply my behavior should change in any way whatsoever". Then refusing to wear a mask was like some kinda boston tea party to them. Lets not act like it's only conservatives being retarded when it comes to masks. The "i can't breathe" and "it don't work" bullshitters come in all kinds of colours. Yes, and it shouldn't be political. Here we have no anti mask party because we don't have a openly ignoring facts political party. In the US you do have the GOPQ who's feelings over facts new party line has decided to be against them.
God don't we love America? Making everything and their mother about politics? (And yes, it happens on both sides, but at least the left doesn't go against something as obvious like mask wearing)
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On February 09 2021 10:49 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2021 08:38 JimmiC wrote:On February 09 2021 08:34 m4ini wrote:On February 09 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:On February 09 2021 06:50 Artisreal wrote:
Refusing the mask is virtue signalling at its best.
At least for the Reps that rushed to be vaccinated. Resistance to masks were the most pronounced form of conservative insecurity for quite some time. What made it funny was how many of them couldn't even grasp the idea of why being told to do something that may or may not be helpful was totally fine. If the recommendation was instead "hey there's a chance wearing cat ears might prevent infection", I'd be like "Sure whatever, who gives a shit" and wear the cat ears. Conservative knee-jerk thinking is just so wildly insecure that any time someone tells you to either change or add a behavior, it's "you're not my real mom, how dare you even imply my behavior should change in any way whatsoever". Then refusing to wear a mask was like some kinda boston tea party to them. Lets not act like it's only conservatives being retarded when it comes to masks. The "i can't breathe" and "it don't work" bullshitters come in all kinds of colours. Yes, and it shouldn't be political. Here we have no anti mask party because we don't have a openly ignoring facts political party. In the US you do have the GOPQ who's feelings over facts new party line has decided to be against them. God don't we love America? Making everything and their mother about politics? (And yes, it happens on both sides, but at least the left doesn't go against something as obvious like mask wearing)
So glad to have been raised by a family who never speaks about politics at all. They all vote and have their own views but I still have zero clue who anyone supports. It's just considered either boring or rude to attach a side to talking about thoughts on current events.
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Oh thank god $150k cutoff for married couples for new stimulus. Gimme that dollar bill
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Does anyone know when the new stim fully phases out? I want to know if I make anything or not
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On February 09 2021 14:47 IyMoon wrote:
Does anyone know when the new stim fully phases out? I want to know if I make anything or not
Article I saw said phased out by 100/200k. Friend of mine took too long marrying his girlfriend so he misses out on this and the previous stimulus 🤣🤣🤣
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Marrying in order to get tax break is really shitty idea. No need to rush things.
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On February 09 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2021 06:50 Artisreal wrote:
Refusing the mask is virtue signalling at its best.
At least for the Reps that rushed to be vaccinated. Resistance to masks were the most pronounced form of conservative insecurity for quite some time. What made it funny was how many of them couldn't even grasp the idea of why being told to do something that may or may not be helpful was totally fine. If the recommendation was instead "hey there's a chance wearing cat ears might prevent infection", I'd be like "Sure whatever, who gives a shit" and wear the cat ears. Conservative knee-jerk thinking is just so wildly insecure that any time someone tells you to either change or add a behavior, it's "you're not my real mom, how dare you even imply my behavior should change in any way whatsoever". Then refusing to wear a mask was like some kinda boston tea party to them.
Thanks for the explanation. Making both wearing and not wearing masks a political weapon is a terrible mistake imo. If Trump had said "if you wash hands, keep your distance and avoid crowds you don't need them" it would be much harder to attack him, and he would have saved thousands of lives.
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