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On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html
China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place.
In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism.
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Few scattered thoughts on the inaugural speech
-Besides the message of unity which was reiterated across the campaign trail, I found Biden's newfound mention of truth vs. lies a notable addition.
-A very religious speech peppered with references to the Biblical verses, God and Christian themes
-Open about the pandemic and its current state, not waving it away as a past tense problem but one to be faced today, same with systemic racism, climate change and the economy
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The way this Poet Laureate, Amanda Gorman, said DOCTOR Biden and MADAM Vice President gave me all the feels. We need to continue respecting women and not belittling their achievements. Damn good slam poetry too.
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4 years later, I get to wake up to not Donald Trump, the most clearly unfit president of the US ever.
Feels fucking great.
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United States42864 Posts
On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region?
Japan already is rebuilding and the weak US political governance we’ve seen over the last few years has undermined faith in the US as a credible guarantor of peace. But economic interdependence makes war unlikely and Japanese militarism is going to upset Korea and Taiwan for obvious reasons. In real terms China can do what it likes to the Chinese. The problems are when it decides that Tibetans are Chinese (as it has), Taiwanese are Chinese (as its doing), and Koreans are Chinese (as it may do if NK falls).
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On January 21 2021 02:25 Amui wrote:
4 years later, I get to wake up to not Donald Trump, the most clearly unfit president of the US ever.
Feels fucking great.
Hear, hear!
Just a few minutes before the inauguration ceremony started, my students said to me: "We’ve been working really hard on our projects. Would we be able to end class a few minutes early, so that we have the option to watch the inauguration of President Biden and Vice President Harris, if we want?”
How could I say no to that? This is in stark contrast to four years ago, when my last school’s administration *forced* all faculty and students to watch Trump and Pence’s inauguration together, with the threat of teachers being fired if we didn’t attend the viewing, as students literally cried at what was happening to our country. + Show Spoiler + That was a private school.
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The ultimate irony in all of this is those that stormed the Capitol might be second guessing on talking to the FBI, Seeing how Trump did not pardon a single one of them.
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On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region?
Japan's got the kind of military history that should make you not want them to have a military.
Also, Trump got away with inciting an insurrection good job America we let this happen and we will reap the consequences when the next, more competent fascist comes along and we'll all be there scratching our asses wondering what went wrong with America.
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On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region?
Definitely not. The goal should be for as few different countries to have as few weapons as possible. Less people at the table is a good thing. Right now the only people that really need to get along are Russia/China/US/EU.
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United States42864 Posts
On January 21 2021 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region? Definitely not. The goal should be for as few different countries to have as few weapons as possible. Less people at the table is a good thing. Right now the only people that really need to get along are Russia/China/US/EU.
China gets along much better with armed neighbours.
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I did notice officer Eugene Goodman following closely behind Biden and Harris. The way he handled the attack 2 weeks ago is the reason this inauguration looks as normal as it does. As somebody fully ready to say fuck the police in general, he deserves the nod of genuine presidential honor.
Also huzzah to President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. Feels really weird to finally have a government that might actually work for us on occasion, and to have the Presidency occupied by people with hearts.
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On January 21 2021 02:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region? Definitely not. The goal should be for as few different countries to have as few weapons as possible. Less people at the table is a good thing. Right now the only people that really need to get along are Russia/China/US/EU. China gets along much better with armed neighbours.
So long as the US has big ass ships giving China the middle finger in the areas other countries are interested in, same effect. It doesn't need to be a Japanese ship, the position of the ship and the power of the ship are what matter.
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On January 21 2021 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:44 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region? Definitely not. The goal should be for as few different countries to have as few weapons as possible. Less people at the table is a good thing. Right now the only people that really need to get along are Russia/China/US/EU. China gets along much better with armed neighbours. So long as the US has big ass ships giving China the middle finger in the areas other countries are interested in, same effect. It doesn't need to be a Japanese ship, the position of the ship and the power of the ship are what matter. Yeah but the world no longer trust the US to do that, so now everyone wants to take care of themselves.
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On January 21 2021 02:55 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:On January 21 2021 02:44 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region? Definitely not. The goal should be for as few different countries to have as few weapons as possible. Less people at the table is a good thing. Right now the only people that really need to get along are Russia/China/US/EU. China gets along much better with armed neighbours. So long as the US has big ass ships giving China the middle finger in the areas other countries are interested in, same effect. It doesn't need to be a Japanese ship, the position of the ship and the power of the ship are what matter. Yeah but the world no longer trust the US to do that, so now everyone wants to take care of themselves.
Nah, don't think that's true at all. I really don't think major governments with teams running simulations and whatnot are like "Trump existed, guess the US doesn't exist anymore". Its still incredibly favorable to have US protection. The whole idea of "the world doesn't trust the US anymore" is silly and has no merit. The world also has no other option. Most countries don't want to pay for the extreme amount of military development necessary. Trump was a single term president, Biden is back in power, we're fine.
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On January 21 2021 02:27 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:20 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:How do you guys think Biden is going to deal with China? I think they are now the biggest external threat and they also treat their people (expecially any one not Han) horribly without regards to human rights? They are becoming far more aggressive internationally moving away from their more positive diplomacy, to the "wolf warrior" style. Recently they withhold covid vaccine until Turkey agreed to extradite Uygur political rivals. I'm not sure genocide is provable yet at a UN court but that is what is happening. And I don't know if the world can stand up to the worlds second biggest economy and second most powerful military. The US has lost a lot of credibility and stability so banking on them will not be what much of the world wants. Basically nothing has been done as China completely takes over the people of Hong Kong and removes democracy. Very dangerous times. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/us/us-xinjiang-china-genocide-intl/index.html China has a UN SC seat and is therefore immune to the UN. The main goal of the UN is to prevent war between the victorious allied powers who sit on the SC, not to make the world a better place. In practical terms all that can be done is strengthen China’s neighbours, reduce dependence on Chinese industry, and increase Chinese interdependence on neighbours. China has the will and capacity to be expansionist but is also guided by pragmatism. The issue will be decided by whether it is profitable for China to expand. It is more likely that it will pursue strictly economic imperialism over colonialism. That is a mixed bag, no major war is a huge positive, but it also means there is basically nothing to be done (that would be effective in the short or medium term) about what they are doing to their own people. Do you think it is time to encourage Japan to start rebuilding their military as a counter balance in the region?
I don’t think militaries really act as much of a check in this regard. Useful in squashing the small fry but the prospect of the consequences of a heavyweight clash are too terrible to countenance so even hinting in that direction is generally eschewed.
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On January 21 2021 02:51 NewSunshine wrote:
I did notice officer Eugene Goodman following closely behind Biden and Harris. The way he handled the attack 2 weeks ago is the reason this inauguration looks as normal as it does. As somebody fully ready to say fuck the police in general, he deserves the nod of genuine presidential honor.
Also huzzah to President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. Feels really weird to finally have a government that might actually work for us on occasion, and to have the Presidency occupied by people with hearts.
In a sign of the times, he's asked papers to not use his name (probably so his family doesn't get attacked).
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On January 21 2021 01:42 Artisreal wrote:
You could also build much more wind and solar plants and finally use that power to X technology.
Or eat 50 % less meat and use the free arable land for biomass conversion, ideally both. And with proper crop rotation so we don't degrade our soils even more. Also throw some bioethanol in the mix while stopping to destroy the Amazon and Philippines for soy bean feed and Palm oil.
I will go out on a limb and say that the energy out of these technologies will be cheaper than from Hinkley point c.
To hell, keep a couple of highly flexible natural gas power plants and get CCS going. We'll probably need that technology until the H2 networks are operational and reliable anyway for the high temperature level industries like steel and stuff.
The gripe with nuclear I have is the extraordinary costs of failure.
Doesn't it make you wonder that they are basically uninsurable? That companies running these plants do not have to carry the financial cost of the risk is an incredible subsidy. If they had to pay for all the damages, they'd go bankrupt, if they had to insure against the damages, they'd go bankrupt because the kWh would be a couple euros and not cents.
But I think I'd actually be pro nuclear for a bit longer if we can transfer the money spent on a rushed rollout of other technologies into better energy system infrastructure and a diverse power generation system that is more robust against varying weather conditions than with a rushed rollout.
As EnDeR_ said, it all comes down to grid management. You gotta take your pick and if you want less carbon emissions, nuclear and natural gas are the way to go at this point. Nuclear for industrial regions, natural gas for rural, as much renewable as possible and cost effective. Until we have something better, which i'll hopefully see in my lifetime. (fusion or the perfect battery)
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On January 21 2021 03:07 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 02:51 NewSunshine wrote:
I did notice officer Eugene Goodman following closely behind Biden and Harris. The way he handled the attack 2 weeks ago is the reason this inauguration looks as normal as it does. As somebody fully ready to say fuck the police in general, he deserves the nod of genuine presidential honor.
Also huzzah to President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. Feels really weird to finally have a government that might actually work for us on occasion, and to have the Presidency occupied by people with hearts. In a sign of the times, he's asked papers to not use his name (probably so his family doesn't get attacked).
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on violence from right-wing terrorists in the coming days. They're not just going to let this go by quietly. We have a faction that's eager to see if they can start a civil war.
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