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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
December 20 2020 19:58 GMT
#58061
I'll believe the $600 table scraps relief bill makes it through when I see it pay less than half of next month's rent.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 20 2020 21:18 GMT
#58062
I'm glad someone finally offered at least a tiny bit of pushback against the unfettered operation of the JPow casino. It's not much but it was worth it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-20 21:54:22
December 20 2020 21:49 GMT
#58063
I'm not against compromise in principle, but I do think the house should have held firm where they started.

This seemed like a perfect opportunity to pass a clean, effective relief bill, let the reps block it repeatedly, and just keep asking whether the country really wants that to happen every day for the next two years.

It would obviously be painful in the short term for a huge number of people, but Georgia is everything at this point.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
December 20 2020 22:01 GMT
#58064
On December 21 2020 06:49 Belisarius wrote:
I'm not against compromise in principle, but I do think the house should have held firm where they started.

This seemed like a perfect opportunity to pass a clean, effective relief bill, let the reps block it repeatedly, and just keep asking whether the country really wants that to happen every day for the next two years.

It would obviously be painful in the short term for a huge number of people, but Georgia is everything at this point.

The reps have an effective message saying that they want to pass the relief bill piece by piece but the dems refuse to give you anything until they get everything they want and nothing less.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-20 22:09:07
December 20 2020 22:08 GMT
#58065
On December 21 2020 06:18 LegalLord wrote:
I'm glad someone finally offered at least a tiny bit of pushback against the unfettered operation of the JPow casino. It's not much but it was worth it.

Its hard because its undenyable to say that stimulus is cost-effective for saving the economy but you just know there's no chance anyone will actually give a shit about the debt on the other side.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
December 21 2020 00:50 GMT
#58066
Does this stimulus bill include the bullshit about restricting Biden’s future fed?
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
December 21 2020 01:11 GMT
#58067
On December 21 2020 09:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Does this stimulus bill include the bullshit about restricting Biden’s future fed?

No.
On Saturday, Toomey argued on the Senate floor that three pandemic-related lending programs should end because they've "achieved their purpose."

Democrats pushed back, arguing that Toomey's provision would also prevent future Treasury secretaries from restarting the lending programs.

But legislators said they reached a compromise on the issue late Saturday, after hours of talks between Toomey and Schumer.

According to a senior Democratic aide, Toomey "agreed to drop the broad language in his proposal that would have prevented the Fed chair from establishing similar facilities in the future to the ones created [by the CARES Act] in March."

Source
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21955 Posts
December 21 2020 01:56 GMT
#58068
On December 21 2020 10:11 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Does this stimulus bill include the bullshit about restricting Biden’s future fed?

No.
Show nested quote +
On Saturday, Toomey argued on the Senate floor that three pandemic-related lending programs should end because they've "achieved their purpose."

Democrats pushed back, arguing that Toomey's provision would also prevent future Treasury secretaries from restarting the lending programs.

But legislators said they reached a compromise on the issue late Saturday, after hours of talks between Toomey and Schumer.

According to a senior Democratic aide, Toomey "agreed to drop the broad language in his proposal that would have prevented the Fed chair from establishing similar facilities in the future to the ones created [by the CARES Act] in March."

Source
So, the current programs still end and there will be no future programs because the GOP will not pass them.

Can't help but feel like Democrats are already giving in way to much.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
December 21 2020 02:51 GMT
#58069
They narrowed the departments so it isn't a blanket ban anymore. The Feds will still be able to make things work if need be.

But I'm more concerned if the Dems don't take GA how shitty it'll be for the next two years. They're going to have to print money for the next 6 months and this 900bn isn't going to help the people who really need it. 600 direct payment and a boost in UI? Not going to pay the rent for those in more expensive areas.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 21 2020 03:26 GMT
#58070
On December 21 2020 07:08 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 06:18 LegalLord wrote:
I'm glad someone finally offered at least a tiny bit of pushback against the unfettered operation of the JPow casino. It's not much but it was worth it.

Its hard because its undenyable to say that stimulus is cost-effective for saving the economy but you just know there's no chance anyone will actually give a shit about the debt on the other side.

The economy sure doesn't feel all that saved, what with the 700k-1m new unemployed weekly. Stock market is doing decent though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
December 21 2020 06:02 GMT
#58071
Its worth considering, even if only one of the Senate GA runoff goes Democrat, it seems like theres a fair opportunity to have Senator Hawley break off from Republicans on Stimulus Check stuff, so you'd only need one additional senator to pass that sort of thing in a best case scenario way.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
December 21 2020 06:35 GMT
#58072
On December 21 2020 15:02 Zambrah wrote:
Its worth considering, even if only one of the Senate GA runoff goes Democrat, it seems like theres a fair opportunity to have Senator Hawley break off from Republicans on Stimulus Check stuff, so you'd only need one additional senator to pass that sort of thing in a best case scenario way.

Doesn’t Mitch still get to decide what gets voted on? So he could just say no to whatever? Man I really hope we win Georgia but I am expecting 2-3% losses in both.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
December 21 2020 06:37 GMT
#58073
On December 21 2020 15:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 15:02 Zambrah wrote:
Its worth considering, even if only one of the Senate GA runoff goes Democrat, it seems like theres a fair opportunity to have Senator Hawley break off from Republicans on Stimulus Check stuff, so you'd only need one additional senator to pass that sort of thing in a best case scenario way.

Doesn’t Mitch still get to decide what gets voted on? So he could just say no to whatever? Man I really hope we win Georgia but I am expecting 2-3% losses in both.


Im predicting a Warnocke win and an Ossoff loss personally, but I could see a dual loss/dual win, any combination really seems within the realm of possibility at this point.

Forgot about that power, what a bizarre and tyrannical power for one person in the Senate to have.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
December 21 2020 19:56 GMT
#58074
All eyes on GA going blue again. Andrew Yang, and Stacy Abrams are really putting in work to make sure it happens.
Life?
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
December 21 2020 19:58 GMT
#58075
Quick summary of everything in the sympathy bill on vote today. My sister works at the Feds and says next week is when they'll send out the checks. Not a lot to really discuss or summarize about this. Pretty straightforward read.
Individual benefits

$600 direct payment checks for every adult and child earning up to $75,000. Individuals earning between $75,000 and $99,000 would get smaller checks, and the benefit cuts out entirely for individuals earning over $99,000.
Unemployment benefits: Lawmakers agreed to extend enhanced unemployment benefits for jobless workers, who will receive up to $300 per week through mid-March. Self-employed people and gig workers will also receive extended assistance.
Rental assistance: The measure includes $25 billion to help families pay their rent, and it extends the eviction moratorium now in effect until Jan. 31.
SNAP assistance: Democrats say the measure includes an additional $13 billion for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
Small-business help

PPP loans: The agreement includes some $284 billion for Paycheck Protection Program loans. Democrats say they expanded eligibility for the loans to include nonprofits and local newspapers, along with TV and radio stations. Also, $15 billion would be reserved for live venues, independent movie theaters and cultural institutions, which have been struggling due to pandemic-forced closures.
Child care centers: According to a Republican summary of the plan, the measure includes $10 billion for child care centers to help providers safely reopen.
Vaccines

The agreement includes some $68 billion to purchase and distribute COVID-19 vaccines and help states conduct testing. According to the Republican summary, $20 billion of that funding will make the vaccine available at no cost for anybody needing it.
Broadband access

The measure contains $7 billion to increase access to broadband Internet, including a new Emergency Broadband Benefit that Democrats say will help millions of students' families and unemployed workers afford the broadband they need during the pandemic.
Transportation aid

Lawmakers also agreed to provide $45 billion in transportation-related assistance, including:

$16 billion for airlines to pay the salaries of workers and contractors.
$14 billion for mass transit agencies.
$10 billion for highways.
$1 billion for Amtrak.
Education

The measure contains $82 billion in funding for schools and universities to assist with reopening, including, according to a Republican summary, $2.75 billion for private K-12 education.
Agriculture

There is some $13 billion in the measure for farmers and agriculture, including money under the Coronavirus Food Assistance Program for growers and livestock, dairy and poultry producers.
Medical bills

The measure also includes a provision ending surprise medical billing. Republicans say patients would be required to receive a "true and honest cost estimate" three days before any scheduled procedure and that billing disputes would be subject to arbitration.
Tax-deductible meals

Lawmakers also included a provision sought by President Trump, making the cost of meals a deductible business expense.

NPR
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 21 2020 20:18 GMT
#58076
Looks like some good stuff. Disappointing that they're funneling more money into airlines, but no getting around that politically. Hopefully PPP is targeted more at actual struggling businesses and less at well-connected, stable businesses looking for a salary subsidy for people they'd be keeping anyways. Slightly skeptical of the school & university funding because it's questionable if they should even be reopening before August.

Rent assistance, unemployment, and medical billing are some excellent measures I want to call out.

History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7291 Posts
December 21 2020 20:29 GMT
#58077
Im seeing on other websites the income cutoffs are the same as the first stimulus. I see that the summary from NPR does not mention married filing jointly or head of household.

Previously it was 150k-199k for married filing jointly and something like 112k for head of household. I assume itll be the same this time.

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
December 21 2020 20:55 GMT
#58078
Yes, by all appearances the eligibility criteria are the same this go around.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10237 Posts
December 21 2020 21:40 GMT
#58079
Any word if the Tillis DMCA felony got included in the bill? Haven't read up on it but I care most about that little part.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 22 2020 03:00 GMT
#58080
On December 22 2020 06:40 FlaShFTW wrote:
Any word if the Tillis DMCA felony got included in the bill? Haven't read up on it but I care most about that little part.

It did.
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