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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On August 12 2020 03:34 Mohdoo wrote: Trump has said no and McConnel is a coward and not willing to go around Trump. Not much else left to do there.So are they just not doing another stimulus now..? Besides, Trump has solved everything by issuing his (ineffective/illegal) EO's. so 'problem solved'. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 12 2020 03:36 svl3 wrote: Is there a source for the bolded? You're saying the ER visits were over actual bleach ingestions? I never saw this, which is odd given how prolific the story about people having the fish tank cleaner with some form of chloroquine was... No, no injections. Sorry, misspoke. My bad. It was ingestion in various manners and the bizarre ones died out after a couple days (someone tried a bleach sinus nose rinse and another used bleach + mouthwash mix as mouthwash, BI article) and the biggest effect was people calling hotlines to ask if it was OK to do shortly after he mused. When basically everyone said "don't do it" it seems to have tapered off - with the notable exception that we are using cleaners more anyways, so accidental poisonings were already on the rise (see time article), which some people attributed to Trump's comments (probably mistakenly) https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/ https://www.businessinsider.com/maryland-hotline-got-100-calls-about-disinfectant-as-coronavirus-cure-2020-4 On August 12 2020 03:34 Mohdoo wrote: So are they just not doing another stimulus now..? Correct. Trump gave everyone cover to go home by his do nothing executive order. (Negotiations stalled out when the 2 trillion compromise got kicked out by the GOP, and dems already said the 1 trillion senate was a non-starter, same for senate with house's 3 trillion). They're all playing chicken with everyone's livelihoods, for a variety of reasons. I can't see them holding through the whole recess with that attitude. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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svl3
28 Posts
On August 12 2020 00:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Being a billionaire, albeit suspiciously one who likes to boast about it but weirdly not like to prove it via tax returns. Or Trump University being absolutely a legitimate learning institution that was absolutely good value for its paying customers. For the record I don’t think Trump lies very much. It’s so hard to distinguish what is a lie and what is just him being a dumbass, plus his narcissistic tendencies I reckon that he actually thinks he’s correct/telling the truth. When other people lie it’s with misdirection and polish, they’re trying to hide their untruths because well, they know they are trying to lie and want to hide the extent. Trump is so exceedingly blatant that I think he doesn’t even know he’s doing it. These examples seem rather odd. There seem to be a large number of posters having the consensus he horrifically lies, and here you said "exceedingly blatant" to describe it, but the examples seem really weak. Trump University? I don't think anyone has defended Trump University, but it is odd to say him advertising it was a lie. What is next, he said Trump steaks (these were real) were the best ever, but someone reported dissatisfaction, hence he is the #1 liar among politicians? Then him not being a billionaire? You don't know if he isn't, yet this is a sign of a lie? Pretty odd one to choose, if he is such a serial blatant liar. I'd also question the notion that hiding tax returns is primarily for this reason, rather than for many other possible motives. I don't think there is even serious doubt on him being a billionaire, or much reason to focus on it. I find it odd Trump is characterized as "blatant" but we appear to lack a true clear cut example. And if Trump is, Biden is not? I posted the 1988 video of Biden repeatedly lying blatantly in an undisputed analysis, but it seems there is nothing so straightforwardly equivalent lie to point to with Trump, in comparison. At the end of the day, we are comparing politicians who all lie for a living. To me the question is how trustable his record shows him to be compared to Biden and US politicians in general, and also how material lies or misleading statements have been. For me, I think some "blatant" lies of POTUS and their admins are things like, 1) "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Just a simply blatant lie, despite being of dubious relevance. 2) We're sure there are WMDs in Iraq. 3) There is no government spying on Americans or journalists, I promise. (Obama's, paraphrased). | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 12 2020 03:44 Gorsameth wrote: Trump has said no and McConnel is a coward and not willing to go around Trump. Not much else left to do there. Besides, Trump has solved everything by issuing his (ineffective/illegal) EO's. so 'problem solved'. I would give McConnel more credit than that. It's pure political maneuvering to either force democrats to be against aid or give Trump a win so Republicans don't get dumpstered in November. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 12 2020 04:13 svl3 wrote: These examples seem rather odd. There seem to be a large number of posters having the consensus he horrifically lies, and here you said "exceedingly blatant" to describe it, but the examples seem really weak. Trump University? I don't think anyone has defended Trump University, but it is odd to say him advertising it was a lie. What is next, he said Trump steaks (these were real) were the best ever, but someone reported dissatisfaction, hence he is the #1 liar among politicians? Then him not being a billionaire? You don't know if he isn't, yet this is a sign of a lie? Pretty odd one to choose, if he is such a serial blatant liar. I'd also question the notion that hiding tax returns is primarily for this reason, rather than for many other possible motives. I don't think there is even serious doubt on him being a billionaire, or much reason to focus on it. I find it odd Trump is characterized as "blatant" but we appear to lack a true clear cut example. And if Trump is, Biden is not? I posted the 1988 video of Biden repeatedly lying blatantly in an undisputed analysis, but it seems there is nothing so straightforwardly equivalent lie to point to with Trump, in comparison. At the end of the day, we are comparing politicians who all lie for a living. To me the question is how trustable his record shows him to be compared to Biden and US politicians in general, and also how material lies or misleading statements have been. For me, I think some "blatant" lies of POTUS and their admins are things like, 1) "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Just a simply blatant lie, despite being of dubious relevance. 2) We're sure there are WMDs in Iraq. 3) There is no government spying on Americans or journalists, I promise. (Obama's, paraphrased). He's pretty blatant. The crowd sizes were right on his inauguration. His framing on "People are saying ..." are pretty much always followed by something you know he's making up. I can accept the whole blatant part. The better politicians don't go right up and say it, they're never quoted on it, because it either goes unsaid or is done in back rooms. Pelosi had a rare lapse when she was reported to say "Deborah Birx is the worst. Wow, what horrible hands you're in" and went on to defend it because Birx is a Trump appointee. Better politicians learn to pick better fights and when to walk away. They can stay on message and not self sabotage. Honestly, Trump has three Democrat led cities with recent riots or looting. Portland didn't end when the feds left, and they're torching police stations with dozens of arrests. Chicago had a major looting spree, and BLM defended it. Seattle police have bodycam footage, and just lost their police chief over recent budget cuts. The massive anti-police sentiment, and bad approach by mayors and governors, has led to exploding crime rates in places like NYC (177% increase). It should be a no-brainer to go all law-and-order, Democrats are just going to be emboldened to spread this crap if they win the White House. And Trump's on twitter attacking his party's senators for making good points, and beefing with John Bolton and Scaramucci. It's political incompetence every week. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
That and you clearly need to inform yourself of what happened to Trump University. It isn’t a matter of bad reviews. You are brutally misinformed. he has even lied about how his lawsuits against Trump U went. he has repeatedly claimed he could settle for ‘very little money right now’ but ‘didn’t want to out of principle.’ he settled for over 25 million. There is nothing under the sun he wouldn’t lie about if it got ratings or money. It would be quite admirable from the business perspective if it weren’t coming from the POTUS. His shareholders must be big fans. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:23 farvacola wrote: Kamala Harris it is, a fine choice imo The most logical I think. Now they get to defend her AG record. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
A fantastic final reason to not vote for Biden now. Great, I've spent too long trying to convince myself to vote for him, now I can dispense with the notion and just write in Fuck You or something. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46713 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:25 Zambrah wrote: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-sen-kamala-harris.html A fantastic final reason to not vote for Biden now. Great, I've spent too long trying to convince myself to vote for him, now I can dispense with the notion and just write in Fuck You or something. She's definitely not my favorite option, and there are certainly other candidates who would have been better choices for convincing progressives to vote, but it's this ticket or we get Trump again. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:24 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: The most logical I think. Now they get to defend her AG record. I’m not sure Dems *need* to defend anything, so long as they keep the focus on the here and now, they’ll win. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: She's definitely not my favorite option, and there are certainly other candidates who would have been better choices for convincing progressives to vote, but it's this ticket or we get Trump again. Hey they don't value my progressive vote enough to earn they won't have to worry, they didn't earn it and won't get it. I'm VERY done playing the race to the bottom game. I'm tired of playing cynical games in my head and OOPS they play out in reality. This shit is tiring and these Suck It Up games are bullshit. | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States766 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: She's definitely not my favorite option, and there are certainly other candidates who would have been better choices for convincing progressives to vote, but it's this ticket or we get Trump again. It's not Trump again for 4 years, its the Trump dynasty until he dies in office, then they appoint Ivanka and so on. Or it's someone else. I'll take someone else. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On August 12 2020 04:13 svl3 wrote: These examples seem rather odd. There seem to be a large number of posters having the consensus he horrifically lies, and here you said "exceedingly blatant" to describe it, but the examples seem really weak. Trump University? I don't think anyone has defended Trump University, but it is odd to say him advertising it was a lie. What is next, he said Trump steaks (these were real) were the best ever, but someone reported dissatisfaction, hence he is the #1 liar among politicians? Then him not being a billionaire? You don't know if he isn't, yet this is a sign of a lie? Pretty odd one to choose, if he is such a serial blatant liar. I'd also question the notion that hiding tax returns is primarily for this reason, rather than for many other possible motives. I don't think there is even serious doubt on him being a billionaire, or much reason to focus on it. I find it odd Trump is characterized as "blatant" but we appear to lack a true clear cut example. And if Trump is, Biden is not? I posted the 1988 video of Biden repeatedly lying blatantly in an undisputed analysis, but it seems there is nothing so straightforwardly equivalent lie to point to with Trump, in comparison. At the end of the day, we are comparing politicians who all lie for a living. To me the question is how trustable his record shows him to be compared to Biden and US politicians in general, and also how material lies or misleading statements have been. For me, I think some "blatant" lies of POTUS and their admins are things like, 1) "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Just a simply blatant lie, despite being of dubious relevance. 2) We're sure there are WMDs in Iraq. 3) There is no government spying on Americans or journalists, I promise. (Obama's, paraphrased). How many examples does one actually need? You don’t have to watch every video a pornstar has appeared in to make a conclusion that they’re ok having sex on camera. It would be nigh on a full time job to catalogue and archive his more blatant falsehoods, Jimmy is doing an admirable job albeit on a part-time basis thus far. My examples were poor ones in terms of pointing out blatant lying admittedly. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:23 farvacola wrote: Kamala Harris it is, a fine choice imo Solid - the quintessential "stick it to the left" candidate. Guess I gotta figure out who else to vote for, given that Biden is out. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I expect tons of the "I'm gonna know what to do with this unrest and reform." The ads showing her threatening parents with jail for their truant kids will be g l o r i u s. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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