US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2555

On August 12 2020 03:05 Danglars wrote:

I'm really supposed to look at the doctor's face, and conclude that telling his supporters to inject themselves with bleach is splitting hairs compared to asking doctors to look into a research area that's probably bunk? Just step away, man. It aint worth it.

I'm not chasing you down every possible rabbit hole if you confuse apples with oranges from the outset. You're learning too much from GH.

On August 12 2020 06:34 Nouar wrote:

The guy doesn't understand the least bit that people are listening to his every word, and acting upon hearing those. That those guys might be idiots that would ingest bleach is not the issue. Him not caring, as a leader, is the main issue.

Him publicly putting at risk, by his recklessness and ignorance, people's lives, means he is thoroughly unfit to be a leader. The worst is he doesn't even realize it, even though he must have been told dozens of times. This means one thing : he is willing to put lives under the bus to feel smart (the fact that he looks like an idiot doing so is the cherry on top). It's a defective human being to have as a leader, and he wouldn't last one week as an army officer (where good leaders lead by exemple).


The exact wording he used, that he has become a master at, is irrelevant. His every word and action is about "I was told", "they say", etc. It's an habit he has to deflect any possible criticism off his person. It doesn't make him less responsible. He might not have said "bleach is good, ingest it", but that's the message that a fair quantity of idiots receive, because he is the fucking president and people are supposed to treat his words seriously.

I really wouldn't like a president where we have to repeat 5 times a day "just don't listen to him, he didn't think it through".
It's not about taking lessons from GH or chasing chimeras. It's just a basic thing : he doesn't think, and most of all, he doesn't care about any consequences of his actions or words.

On August 12 2020 06:50 Danglars wrote:

I agree that you must think the words he uses are irrelevant to arrive at the conclusions you reach here. So long as you don’t lie and double down on what he actually said, I’m not going to say no stupid person is going to pick that topic to poison himself over. People also thought Obama was going to pay off their mortgage, and masks still don’t work because that’s what health professionals said at the outset.

But this is kind of about normal people confronting falsehoods, but justifying it in the case of Trump. Your post gives no clear admission that it’s what happened. I don’t care what you think about him, I care that you can rise above the partisanship and spot an actual lie. He didn’t say it. So please acknowledge it if I should ever consider your posts to be coming from understanding and a rational mind. It shouldn’t be shifting goalposts on dumb people not knowing what research areas are, as pathetic of an excuse as it is.

Read the statement, comprehend the statement, and do the “but he shouldn’t have said it for the following reasons” after you’ve convinced me you’re not going to call lies truths when it suits you. I know enough Q-anons and this is reaching that.

On August 12 2020 05:35 Danglars wrote:
From defunding the police to hiring a cop. And she goes from attacking Biden on forced busing (of all things) to supporting his record.

I expect tons of the "I'm gonna know what to do with this unrest and reform."

The ads showing her threatening parents with jail for their truant kids will be g l o r i u s.

On August 12 2020 07:10 Nouar wrote:



He did NOT say "ingest bleach". He did say "bleach looks good against covid, it cleans it fast, please doctors, can you investigate if there's a way to clean lungs with bleach". Some people will feel it's avant-gardiste to do what he says should be tried.
Since he doesn't speak proper english, and since he's the president, AND is (though contradictory) a master at wording himself as if he, himself, can never be held responsible for anything he says, I am not looking at the exact words but the message it sends.

It's pretty clear he is a zero at science, and he should know people listen to his word, and are not all "smart" people with PhD (I mean, we are talking about the country with people microwaving their cat to dry it, and suing the company because it was not expressly written that you shouldn't do that in the manual), he should know best than to say this kind of thing, but people WILL misinterpret it. However, he doesn't care.

Did I, at any point in my 2 posts, lie about what he said ? His whole defense is based on deflection and about how he didn't say it or meant something else of course. How many times has it been ?



And for other posters who wanted blatant lies, just take the "We've gotten billions from China with the tariffs". These are extra paid by american people. Some chinese companies might have lowered their prices to try and stay competitive, however that's probably not the majority, and the extra money is still paid by american clients. At best it lowers the trade deficit a little, and products made in the US are still more expensive to consumers.
It's a plain lie. It just doesn't work as he asserts it does.

On August 12 2020 07:21 Danglars wrote:

I pointed out to Wombat the actual quote, and he was asking researchers to check into UV light and disinfectant for internal use. He had said that Trump told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. That’s is a lie no matter how many “but it was still bad/show of bad intelligence for him to say it” you want to append after the statement. I’ve already yielded the Appeal to the Existence of Stupid People point that everybody wants to make. Can you read the nested quoted in context slowly and reach the same conclusion I did, and maybe three others here? We can get into all the attendant bad effects (if you really want to) if we can read the same thing *IN CONTEXT* and decide true/false on the claim. Otherwise, why bother? Truth and falsehood should exist independent of the speaker, and I’m not so hot on people who grade Democrats and Republicans on two different dictionaries of the English language.

There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down — as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good

On August 12 2020 08:03 micronesia wrote:
I specifically remember video footage that day of people (in other countries) cheering, and it was allegedly as they learned that that the U.S. had been struck by a devastating attack. I'm not defending Trump's claims but there was footage to that effect played shortly after the events, regardless of the actual religion of anyone.

Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.

On August 12 2020 08:48 JimmiC wrote:

Edit. Not worth.

On August 12 2020 09:09 Starlightsun wrote:
My Dad is pretty happy with the Harris pick. Wonder if she appeals to boomer generation? I don't have strong feelings about her either way, except she seems a million times better than any aspect of the current administration. I understand some of the ideological qualms but it would be nice to have just some basic *competence* again.