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WombaT
Northern Ireland27389 Posts
Aside from Trump politically hanging himself and keeping a safe distance, which is Plan A as far as I can tell, what’s the Plan B? Candidate Biden seems to have slid leftwards from primary Biden, I guess it’s to keep progressives on board while Harris fulfils the ‘tough on crime’ thing or what? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:35 Nevuk wrote: Meh. All of the VP options were pretty meh for me (aside from Warren, who was always an unlikely option due to the acrimony between Biden and her). Abrams was probably the most charismatic, but I disagree with her policy positions. Harris is about the best of the milquetoast crowd. This is about how I see it. | ||
micronesia
United States24799 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:40 Zambrah wrote: Good God I can't FATHOM they're stupid enough to believe BIDEN is who is meant to keep PROGRESSIVES on board , FUCK ME THEY DO BELIEVE THAT DONT THEY. Who said Biden is meant to "keep Progressives on board"? I'm not following. Biden received the most votes in the primary because that was who the most voters wanted to win the primary and challenge Donald Trump. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:40 Zambrah wrote: Good God I can't FATHOM they're stupid enough to believe BIDEN is who is meant to keep PROGRESSIVES on board , FUCK ME THEY DO BELIEVE THAT DONT THEY. Who did you want to be the VP? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Granted, "other than on criminal justice" is a large bridge, considering how big an issue it is currently. It's also something of payback for black voters propelling him to win - there was a lot of pressure for him to pick a black woman, in which case the choices were Abrams or Harris (he had a letter from leading african americans a couple days ago begging him to pick a black woman). If this were a normal race (or Biden a normal candidate), I'd have said Abrams - she's more charismatic and carries less baggage. But it's not : Biden is more likely than any other candidate ever to be replaced by his VP due to his age at some point, and I think Harris is a better choice to actually govern, with everything we know about them (and she's closer to progressive policies than Abrams). She's also been more liberal than Biden. It's the safe, boring pick. It's only a middle finger to progressives in that it isn't Warren or Sanders. On August 12 2020 05:40 Zambrah wrote: Good God I can't FATHOM they're stupid enough to believe BIDEN is who is meant to keep PROGRESSIVES on board , FUCK ME THEY DO BELIEVE THAT DONT THEY. No, Harris is supposed to be the compromise between him picking Warren or picking a Joe Lieberman equivalent. Some progressives will hate it. Some moderates will hate it. The idea is that it pisses off fewer of both combined than the other two options would. It's nothing like Clinton's ultimate "FUCK YOU LEFTISTS" pick of Tim Kaine, who had exactly 0 good/non-corrupt reasons to be picked (as far as I can tell, not even moderates liked Tim Kaine). It's standard politicking : it's a pandering pick to a demographic he's heavily reliant on, while allowing his others to accept it with distaste. It would've been a smarter pick had he immediately announced it in March, before George Floyd. No idea why he didn't - she was the obvious pick to most analysts at the time. I'm not exactly thrilled about it, but that's standard VP fare. Unless Biden dies, it's a meaningless job. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32158 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:55 Danglars wrote: Progressives don’t have a choice. I don’t think anyone wants Trump in for another four years because Biden barely loses a swing state and they voted third party. More than a few said that on the last page alone lol | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
I see Harris as a safe centre-left concession for the demographics they expect to carry them to victory, upset progressives be damned. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
interesting | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On August 12 2020 05:51 micronesia wrote: Who said Biden is meant to "keep Progressives on board"? I'm not following. Biden received the most votes in the primary because that was who the most voters wanted to win the primary and challenge Donald Trump. Read the post above mine by Wombat, I was responding to that, Id use quotes but I'm RagePosting on mobile and I'm already a fatfingered klutz lol | ||
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RenSC2
United States1098 Posts
Harris will open up more attacks from the left, but may ease some fears from moderates spooked by riots. Likely means less votes for Biden in deep blue states and more votes for Biden in swing states. Should be a good trade for winning. Progressives are loud, but they are nowhere near as numerous as moderates (as the primary showed). | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/H001075-kamala-harris/compare-votes/S000033-bernard-sanders/115 | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
... as Kamala’s former press secretary removes a Trump tweet. This stuff is great. | ||
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rope123
27 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On August 12 2020 06:20 rope123 wrote: Ive extensively looked into kamala's record as ag and Ive also been rewatching the wire lately. Her behavioral patterns very much remind me of some of the worst higher ups that show depicts. Her record as ag is downright catastrophic.// her voting record is far better though, she does hold some progressive positions but really isnt a progressive at heart, just hope the dems dont want to coronate her in 2024 Oh you know she's their next presidential force-through | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27389 Posts
On August 12 2020 06:03 Zambrah wrote: Read the post above mine by Wombat, I was responding to that, Id use quotes but I'm RagePosting on mobile and I'm already a fatfingered klutz lol Hey now I didn’t say it was a strategy I personally agreed with :p | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
Also is no one considering how much more important the VP pick is this time? She could be taking equal snaps to Biden in this Fall campaign. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On August 12 2020 06:21 Wombat_NI wrote: Hey now I didn’t say it was a strategy I personally agreed with :p I know you meant it as kind of a joke, but it's so awful and the DNC is so shitty and tone deaf that I think it must be right, lol. Cynicism, baby. It's what's for dinner. | ||
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