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On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?). edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas.It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
It's more likely he completely misunderstood the guy talking before him about how both bleach and UV light kills the virus on surfaces or in the air.
Trump in that press conference:
So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please.
Source: www.rev.com
He just didn't listen and doesn't have enough intelligence and/or education to talk about it off the cuff.
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On August 12 2020 00:34 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?). edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas.It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. It's more likely he completely misunderstood the guy talking before him about how both bleach and UV light kills the virus on surfaces or in the air. Trump in that press conference: Show nested quote +So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please. Source: www.rev.comHe just didn't listen and doesn't have enough intelligence and/or education to talk about it off the cuff.
I mean yeah he isn't intelligent on the issue, but can you agree that the "maybe scientists should look at bringing the UV light that kills the virus into the body as a test" is a far cry from "Trump tells supporters to inject themselves with bleach and UV light." It does nothing to the discourse by helping people repeat lies when the truth with due just fine. He's gone in a few months or four years, but the reporters and journalists doing this stuff are still going to be around.
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On August 12 2020 00:38 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?). edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas. It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. That is not true, and some of his supporters did and ended up in ER's. If you want to dispute something don't just make it up, cite it. As you notice in the quote above, it was a bunch of stupid rambling inaccurate shit, as per the normal.
Look up the quote and respond. This is factually untrue.
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Trump is schrodingers idiot. the hot loads that fall out of his mouth are both 4d chess or just some incoherent rambling that you shouldn’t pay attention to depending on the day.
surely he was suggesting injecting disinfectant UV light.
cue Anderson Cooper’s dump on a desk take.
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On August 12 2020 00:50 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 00:41 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:38 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?). edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas. It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. That is not true, and some of his supporters did and ended up in ER's. If you want to dispute something don't just make it up, cite it. As you notice in the quote above, it was a bunch of stupid rambling inaccurate shit, as per the normal. Look up the quote and respond. This is factually untrue. I did, maybe you should. There is also a video attached. The close up of the doctors face is priceless, she cannot believe what a moron he is! https://globalnews.ca/news/6862555/coronavirus-disinfectant-donald-trump/Show nested quote +“I see that disinfectant, it knocks it out. In a minute. One minute,” Trump said at the briefing, before turning at the lectern to Birx, who was sitting on the sidelines of the news conference. Birx could be seen smiling, tight-lipped, as Trump pitched his theories to her in front of a national audience.
“And is there a way that we can do something like that, by injection inside or, or, almost a cleaning?” Trump said, directing his words at Birx. “Because you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number … so it’d be interesting to check.” I'd appreciate an apology. Your dear leader is simply as stupid as we all think he is.
"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
Politifact
I am looking for people that can say "What Trump said was bad, he's said other bad things, but he didn't say that."
People that can't stomach even that small admission are blind partisans. Maybe not forever into the future, but in that moment, a blind partisan.
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On August 12 2020 01:56 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 01:34 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:50 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 00:41 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:38 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?). edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas. It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. That is not true, and some of his supporters did and ended up in ER's. If you want to dispute something don't just make it up, cite it. As you notice in the quote above, it was a bunch of stupid rambling inaccurate shit, as per the normal. Look up the quote and respond. This is factually untrue. I did, maybe you should. There is also a video attached. The close up of the doctors face is priceless, she cannot believe what a moron he is! https://globalnews.ca/news/6862555/coronavirus-disinfectant-donald-trump/“I see that disinfectant, it knocks it out. In a minute. One minute,” Trump said at the briefing, before turning at the lectern to Birx, who was sitting on the sidelines of the news conference. Birx could be seen smiling, tight-lipped, as Trump pitched his theories to her in front of a national audience.
“And is there a way that we can do something like that, by injection inside or, or, almost a cleaning?” Trump said, directing his words at Birx. “Because you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number … so it’d be interesting to check.” I'd appreciate an apology. Your dear leader is simply as stupid as we all think he is. "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." PolitifactI am looking for people that can say "What Trump said was bad, he's said other bad things, but he didn't say that." People that can't stomach even that small admission are blind partisans. Maybe not forever into the future, but in that moment, a blind partisan. You are really splitting hairs if you think that Trump saying he thought it was a good idea to test injecting people with bleach and ultraviolet light. Is not suggesting people should do it. Because people took it that way and lots of ER's had to deal with it. Also, if you listen to the video in the article I posted it is clearly not sarcastic. For a guy who likes to claim everyone else is not partisan this is a blatantly partisan opinion of yours. It is really quite laughable.
Trump spit balls with scientists to research using UV light and disinfectant internally to kill the virus
Trump told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea
Yeah it's a partisanship test: If you think the difference between them is splitting hairs, you're a blind partisan. I corrected Wombat_NI and it launched a discussion into the news sensationalizing real quotes. Test passed.
I rate Trump's intelligence higher than anybody that says instructing supporters to take bleach is the same as asking scientists to research something stupid. He says stupid shit all the time, he makes shit up all the time, and some people justify making up stuff to fit their goals.
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I agree with Danglars, I thought reading his actual quote might help posters to calm down a bit. When a leader says to his scientists "we should look into this" it's not a recommendation for laypeople to do it themselves. If someone is stupid enough to try it without consulting their doctor it's totally their own fault.
I'm never on Trump's side but putting words into his mouth takes away from the truly stupid/horrible stuff he says and does. It's something that irks me since his campaign started as German media likes to do this as well.
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On August 12 2020 02:34 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 02:13 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 01:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 01:34 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:50 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 00:41 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:38 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:
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Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas. It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. That is not true, and some of his supporters did and ended up in ER's. If you want to dispute something don't just make it up, cite it. As you notice in the quote above, it was a bunch of stupid rambling inaccurate shit, as per the normal. Look up the quote and respond. This is factually untrue. I did, maybe you should. There is also a video attached. The close up of the doctors face is priceless, she cannot believe what a moron he is! https://globalnews.ca/news/6862555/coronavirus-disinfectant-donald-trump/“I see that disinfectant, it knocks it out. In a minute. One minute,” Trump said at the briefing, before turning at the lectern to Birx, who was sitting on the sidelines of the news conference. Birx could be seen smiling, tight-lipped, as Trump pitched his theories to her in front of a national audience.
“And is there a way that we can do something like that, by injection inside or, or, almost a cleaning?” Trump said, directing his words at Birx. “Because you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number … so it’d be interesting to check.” I'd appreciate an apology. Your dear leader is simply as stupid as we all think he is. "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." PolitifactI am looking for people that can say "What Trump said was bad, he's said other bad things, but he didn't say that." People that can't stomach even that small admission are blind partisans. Maybe not forever into the future, but in that moment, a blind partisan. You are really splitting hairs if you think that Trump saying he thought it was a good idea to test injecting people with bleach and ultraviolet light. Is not suggesting people should do it. Because people took it that way and lots of ER's had to deal with it. Also, if you listen to the video in the article I posted it is clearly not sarcastic. For a guy who likes to claim everyone else is not partisan this is a blatantly partisan opinion of yours. It is really quite laughable. Trump spit balls with scientists to research using UV light and disinfectant internally to kill the virus Trump told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea Yeah it's a partisanship test: If you think the difference between them is splitting hairs, you're a blind partisan. I corrected Wombat_NI and it launched a discussion into the news sensationalizing real quotes. Test passed. I rate Trump's intelligence higher than anybody that says instructing supporters to take bleach is the same as asking scientists to research something stupid. He says stupid shit all the time, he makes shit up all the time, and some people justify making up stuff to fit their goals. You're living in a dream world. Look at his doctors face, actually watch the video. He is not only "spit balling" some extraordinarily stupid ideas, but he is also saying it is good. It is not Dems that are poisoning themselves btw. And no studies were done on these really good, spitballing ideas, because everybody with a decent IQ and even a little bit grounded in reality knows they were some of the stupidest ideas ever. Not to mention anyone with any sense wouldn't spit ball really stupid ideas publicly during a press conference, hell they wouldn't do it with good ideas either. It is a inappropriate time because people within the cult of Trump are going to do it, to try to prove him right. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/#7f920d1a1157https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-20/coronavirus-cleaning-goes-haywire-with-grim-surge-in-poisoningshttps://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/25/845015236/nyc-poison-control-sees-uptick-in-calls-after-trumps-disinfectant-commentsIt is also really silly for you to call a bunch of people not from the US partisan. None of us vote Dem, we are outsiders that simply see that right now one party is living in reality and one is living in a stupid fantasy land created by Trump. It is pure idiocy.
I'm really supposed to look at the doctor's face, and conclude that telling his supporters to inject themselves with bleach is splitting hairs compared to asking doctors to look into a research area that's probably bunk? Just step away, man. It aint worth it.
I'm not chasing you down every possible rabbit hole if you confuse apples with oranges from the outset. You're learning too much from GH.
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On August 12 2020 02:36 schaf wrote:
I agree with Danglars, I thought reading his actual quote might help posters to calm down a bit. When a leader says to his scientists "we should look into this" it's not a recommendation for laypeople to do it themselves. If someone is stupid enough to try it without consulting their doctor it's totally their own fault.
I'm never on Trump's side but putting words into his mouth takes away from the truly stupid/horrible stuff he says and does. It's something that irks me since his campaign started as German media likes to do this as well.
Yeah. He's the least necessary president to have to make up stuff to smear him. He is very invested in proving antagonistic press is "fake news," and making that true (in whatever small way it is) borders on insane.
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On August 12 2020 02:36 schaf wrote:
I agree with Danglars, I thought reading his actual quote might help posters to calm down a bit. When a leader says to his scientists "we should look into this" it's not a recommendation for laypeople to do it themselves. If someone is stupid enough to try it without consulting their doctor it's totally their own fault.
I'm never on Trump's side but putting words into his mouth takes away from the truly stupid/horrible stuff he says and does. It's something that irks me since his campaign started as German media likes to do this as well.
Except he demonstrably doesn’t actually do this, on a startlingly frequent basis.
On this particular issue, yes I think the correct interpretation is that he was spitballing ideas. No need to overegg it.
If he was ‘I’m the big ideas and making deals guy, I leave the scientists to their thing’ I don’t particularly have issue with him spitballing dumb ideas at all. In the same span we’ve seen him frequently clash with scientists and good practice re Covid, hawk hydroxychloroquine and many other frankly dangerous acts of disregarding science.
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On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?). edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas. It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
Woah, I did think she said that. I wasn't paying much attention at the time, but she actually did not say that?? Pretty amazing how much that went around. I never checked if it's true because it seems hard to believe people would try to lie about it and it would succeed in spreading so much if it was wrong.
About the bleach and UV part, I think what you said is right IIRC. On the actual topic, I think using UV is a really awful idea for a therapy. But the surprising thing was, a very reputable research hospital (at Cedars Sinai) is heading an investigation to use this for infections. That shocks me. It's pretty likely that the side-effects would be terrible in the short term and it is surely damaging in the long term, and it's even questionable how successful it would be in handling the infection. It goes in the trachea, but the virus can reside elsewhere and reinfect the trachea later if it is not removed everywhere or there is immunity. I can't describe how horrific it sounds, but I can imagine Trump mentioning it in a riff after getting briefed on it.
He's not an MD or otherwise qualified, so I think it's not really idiotic for him to raise the question, in all fairness. But it is fair to critique him making wandering riffs, perhaps.
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The claims in the Atlantic seem so dubious. The first one is about him claiming it would go away. He wasn't actually saying it would be a no big deal thing and would quickly go away, but that it would eventually be over. The intended message is to be calming. Criticize that if you will, but it's not the same message as is represented.
Then it goes to him being wrong about deaths by suicide being worse. It compares this to the total count of COVID deaths. Suicide had 47k deaths in 2017, so it's not a huge deal or a lie. Secondly, we don't really know our true COVID-induced death count. We count deaths in a excessive manner. We've all seen the story of a young man in a motorcycle crash getting called a COVID deaths. These numbers are unreliable. You might argue we should count more to catch the "excess deaths", but that is a very difficult prospect and likely getting too complex to try to apply to Trump's statement.
It includes Trump saying that 99% of COVID patients have no harm done to them. I think that's more or less correct. The Atlantic cites a claim that non-lethal consequences exist, which does not rebut it at all, and a WHO claim that 15% of cases can be severe. It's questionable how reliable that stat is, and what it means. If you have a fever, does that count as severe? The Atlantic is not interested in that, somehow. If so, then I don't know if it means having fever or diarrhea etc really rebuts Trump's point. I think the idea that 99% or close do not have severe complications is the consensus view.
Then it says he was wrong about the US having the lowest mortality rate. Objectively, he was wrong. Whether you want to think this is a big lie is up to you. The US is about #85 in percent mortality, and in the top 10 for deaths per 100k. How much this matters is questionable, because every country counts the cases and deaths differently. As said, the US counting is unusually excessive. I'm only aware of one other country in Europe that counted so excessively with cases, and have heard of a few (like the UK) that excessively count deaths as well (UK is about to revise and remove many reported deaths, I believe). Going by mortality, the US did over twice as good as your Canada. Does this mean we did such a great job compared to you? I have no idea because these are all apples to oranges comparisons, at least with public data. Altogether, I think our deaths using standard methods are not low, and if you filter out the states that put COVID patients in Nursing homes which account for a huge portion of our deaths (I forgot if 1/3 or more), than besides those disasters, the death rate in the US seems relatively good. (I'd argue the deaths in nursing home are primarily the responsibility of the few states that decided to do this).
Soo... in the article given titled "All of Trump's Lies about the Coronavirus ... ", it seems to heavily involve controversial, debatable points, and so far the worst example is a case of exaggeration that was indeed technically a lie. Is that the type of thing you'd say is equivalent lies to Joe Biden deliberately constructing an entirely false statement for personal gain, mentioned in my earlier question? Making up that you were the top of your class and graduated with 3 degrees etc is equivalent to being wrong about saying the Coronavirus will go away? I'd wonder how many lies you would find for every politician, including Biden or Obama, etc, if using this standard.
Perhaps there are better examples deeper in your articles, but I've already taken time to go through this many and I doubt anyone's going to read me contesting details in 95% of the perhaps hundreds of allegations. I'd appreciate if you could instead find the most clear cut example of such a lie, or the most egregious one(s), otherwise anyone disagreeing with you has a very laborious, hours long task, in going through each of the questionable takes written by firm Trump opposition.
You did highlight hydroxychloroquine -- that again would fall more into being wrong than being a lie, to me. I've looked at a lot of the studies, and the results are inconclusive, but there is a sufficient case to warrant allowing MDs to prescribe it at their discretion. I've gone over a number of the trials in a bit of detail, and I'm happy to argue anything about this topic, but I don't see exactly what you think is the bullshit.
For the Hurricane highlight, I never paid attention to it at the time. I saw some memes and thought life is too short to get caught up in the outrage. It seems there are a lot of articles about that. Assuming this is a clear cut case of him lying, I'll try to read them. Is there any part you can point to for efficient analysis of it?
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We did experience a surge in ER visits due to bleach ingestion/injection after the comments.
Whether he meant it that way or not, at least some Trump fans(not journalists) took it that way.
Most news I read said that he had suggested it, or suggested it as a treatment as their headline. Which is strictly speaking, accurate (though leaves out "suggested investigating") (the least accurate version I saw was "promotes injecting bleach" based on cursory glance at google).
I'll agree it's not a perfect set of headlines and doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt.
If you're complaining that facebook + twitter posts described it poorly, both need to die.
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On August 12 2020 03:22 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 02:36 schaf wrote:
I agree with Danglars, I thought reading his actual quote might help posters to calm down a bit. When a leader says to his scientists "we should look into this" it's not a recommendation for laypeople to do it themselves. If someone is stupid enough to try it without consulting their doctor it's totally their own fault.
I'm never on Trump's side but putting words into his mouth takes away from the truly stupid/horrible stuff he says and does. It's something that irks me since his campaign started as German media likes to do this as well. Except he demonstrably doesn’t actually do this, on a startlingly frequent basis. On this particular issue, yes I think the correct interpretation is that he was spitballing ideas. No need to overegg it. If he was ‘I’m the big ideas and making deals guy, I leave the scientists to their thing’ I don’t particularly have issue with him spitballing dumb ideas at all. In the same span we’ve seen him frequently clash with scientists and good practice re Covid, hawk hydroxychloroquine and many other frankly dangerous acts of disregarding science.
My impression was that he was spitballing too. The media's/twitterer's take was he was trying to make people try this. He was avidly blamed a while ago for a woman ingesting fish tank cleaner that had the word chloroquine somewhere in it, below the POISON DO NOT EAT label part.
I don't know the details of your issues with the other parts, but I think there are a number of qualified and informed scientists that have consistent views to what he's said, generally. Including HCQ. I think what he's been doing is trying to make options available and the use depends on clinical results and decisions of individual doctors and patients, which I think is quite justified. I'm not sure what you refer to with the other scientific clashes, but I think one of the good points was trying to give options. He facilitated new options for fast tracking vaccines and the US dwarfed other countries in vaccine and treatment research investment.
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So are they just not doing another stimulus now..?
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On August 12 2020 03:29 Nevuk wrote:
We did experience a surge in ER visits due to bleach ingestion/injection after the comments.
Whether he meant it that way or not, at least some Trump fans(not journalists) took it that way.
Most news I read said that he had suggested it, or suggested it as a treatment as their headline. Which is strictly speaking, accurate (though leaves out "suggested investigating") (the least accurate version I saw was "promotes injecting bleach" based on cursory glance at google).
I'll agree it's not a perfect set of headlines and doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt.
If you're complaining that facebook + twitter posts described it poorly, both need to die.
Is there a source for the bolded? You're saying the ER visits were over actual bleach ingestions? I never saw this, which is odd given how prolific the story about people having the fish tank cleaner with some form of chloroquine was...
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On August 12 2020 02:34 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2020 02:13 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 01:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 01:34 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:50 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 00:41 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:38 JimmiC wrote:On August 12 2020 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 12 2020 00:02 JimmiC wrote:On August 11 2020 21:30 svl3 wrote:
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Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho. Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=FE91D6A8AAB270121BC2D29DBB127FB6&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALLhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#302ff6621e17https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-trump-truth-20200803-w6u6f3nmdzasrlaj6jlc5jp3a4-story.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/trump-leading-america-lying-anthony-fauciedit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth. It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas. It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. That is not true, and some of his supporters did and ended up in ER's. If you want to dispute something don't just make it up, cite it. As you notice in the quote above, it was a bunch of stupid rambling inaccurate shit, as per the normal. Look up the quote and respond. This is factually untrue. I did, maybe you should. There is also a video attached. The close up of the doctors face is priceless, she cannot believe what a moron he is! https://globalnews.ca/news/6862555/coronavirus-disinfectant-donald-trump/“I see that disinfectant, it knocks it out. In a minute. One minute,” Trump said at the briefing, before turning at the lectern to Birx, who was sitting on the sidelines of the news conference. Birx could be seen smiling, tight-lipped, as Trump pitched his theories to her in front of a national audience.
“And is there a way that we can do something like that, by injection inside or, or, almost a cleaning?” Trump said, directing his words at Birx. “Because you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number … so it’d be interesting to check.” I'd appreciate an apology. Your dear leader is simply as stupid as we all think he is. "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." PolitifactI am looking for people that can say "What Trump said was bad, he's said other bad things, but he didn't say that." People that can't stomach even that small admission are blind partisans. Maybe not forever into the future, but in that moment, a blind partisan. You are really splitting hairs if you think that Trump saying he thought it was a good idea to test injecting people with bleach and ultraviolet light. Is not suggesting people should do it. Because people took it that way and lots of ER's had to deal with it. Also, if you listen to the video in the article I posted it is clearly not sarcastic. For a guy who likes to claim everyone else is not partisan this is a blatantly partisan opinion of yours. It is really quite laughable. Trump spit balls with scientists to research using UV light and disinfectant internally to kill the virus Trump told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea Yeah it's a partisanship test: If you think the difference between them is splitting hairs, you're a blind partisan. I corrected Wombat_NI and it launched a discussion into the news sensationalizing real quotes. Test passed. I rate Trump's intelligence higher than anybody that says instructing supporters to take bleach is the same as asking scientists to research something stupid. He says stupid shit all the time, he makes shit up all the time, and some people justify making up stuff to fit their goals. You're living in a dream world. Look at his doctors face, actually watch the video. He is not only "spit balling" some extraordinarily stupid ideas, but he is also saying it is good. It is not Dems that are poisoning themselves btw. And no studies were done on these really good, spitballing ideas, because everybody with a decent IQ and even a little bit grounded in reality knows they were some of the stupidest ideas ever. Not to mention anyone with any sense wouldn't spit ball really stupid ideas publicly during a press conference, hell they wouldn't do it with good ideas either. It is a inappropriate time because people within the cult of Trump are going to do it, to try to prove him right. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/#7f920d1a1157https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-20/coronavirus-cleaning-goes-haywire-with-grim-surge-in-poisoningshttps://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/25/845015236/nyc-poison-control-sees-uptick-in-calls-after-trumps-disinfectant-commentsIt is also really silly for you to call a bunch of people not from the US partisan. None of us vote Dem, we are outsiders that simply see that right now one party is living in reality and one is living in a stupid fantasy land created by Trump. It is pure idiocy.
I thought that was what it meant to be partisan though? One doesn't have to physically live in the US to have a biased opinion/reaction based on who's side is talking.
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