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On August 11 2020 03:35 Danglars wrote: Dems should be celebrating for Trump attacking members of his own party making a principled point. He has good reason to say Obama can’t write immigration law, nor can Trump write payroll tax law. And Republicans should oppose this move, since we won’t be in control of the presidency in perpetuity, and it will someday be a Democratic president further emboldened to not enforce laws he/she doesn’t like.
House Democrats are on vacation now until September 14th, so there will be no legislative action on Coronavirus bills until then.
I mean that's pretty much what happened with Obama inheriting Bush's Patriot Act FBI and using Mueller and Comey. Same as Trump inheriting Obama's renewal, the several countries Obama was bombing, and all the immunity. Hard to argue the bombing and such is unacceptable for Trump since Democrats had so little opposition to the things Obama was doing that they wouldn't trust Trump to do.
Pretty sure both parties are on basically a "on-call" recess. Pathetic, but not particularly partisan imo.
Patriot Act inheriting power, but as we saw with the case of a Trump, it’s not really executive power. They were illegally obtaining wiretaps on Trump and hiding it.
You can say Obama inherited broad spending powers from Bush, because Tarp and bailouts did do that.
Democrats only realize now that cheering Obama means Trump gets the same toys. And naturally, they want to climb back in the pilot seat and start selectively enforcing other junk.
On August 11 2020 03:35 Danglars wrote: Dems should be celebrating for Trump attacking members of his own party making a principled point. He has good reason to say Obama can’t write immigration law, nor can Trump write payroll tax law. And Republicans should oppose this move, since we won’t be in control of the presidency in perpetuity, and it will someday be a Democratic president further emboldened to not enforce laws he/she doesn’t like.
House Democrats are on vacation now until September 14th, so there will be no legislative action on Coronavirus bills until then.
I mean that's pretty much what happened with Obama inheriting Bush's Patriot Act FBI and using Mueller and Comey. Same as Trump inheriting Obama's renewal, the several countries Obama was bombing, and all the immunity. Hard to argue the bombing and such is unacceptable for Trump since Democrats had so little opposition to the things Obama was doing that they wouldn't trust Trump to do.
Pretty sure both parties are on basically a "on-call" recess. Pathetic, but not particularly partisan imo.
Patriot Act inheriting power, but as we saw with the case of a Trump, it’s not really executive power. They were illegally obtaining wiretaps on Trump and hiding it.
You can say Obama inherited broad spending powers from Bush, because Tarp and bailouts did do that.
Democrats only realize now that cheering Obama means Trump gets the same toys. And naturally, they want to climb back in the pilot seat and start selectively enforcing other junk.
There's a bit more specifically executive (rather than people they hire and fire at will) aspects to it but the "multiple FBI officials lying to subordinates, and at least one FBI official falsifying documents submitted to obtain the FISA surveillance. Basically, lying to a judge to help the judge conclude that secretly wiretapping Americans was justified." is all stuff that happened under Bush and really has been archetype behavior from the FBI since inception.
On August 11 2020 03:35 Danglars wrote: Dems should be celebrating for Trump attacking members of his own party making a principled point. He has good reason to say Obama can’t write immigration law, nor can Trump write payroll tax law. And Republicans should oppose this move, since we won’t be in control of the presidency in perpetuity, and it will someday be a Democratic president further emboldened to not enforce laws he/she doesn’t like.
House Democrats are on vacation now until September 14th, so there will be no legislative action on Coronavirus bills until then.
Pretty sure both parties are on basically a "on-call" recess. Pathetic, but not particularly partisan imo.
Yeah it seems both parties are on-call recess. Ironically Trump’s EOs that are in actuality incredibly impotent is probably giving Congress cover to not do anything because he’s taking credit for creating a solution out of thin air.
For what it is worth, JPMorgan reckons this is a notable possibility and were not going to get anything with everyone digging in their heels and the fiscal hawks milking this situation for all it’s worth.
If Democrats dug in their heels against the corporate bailouts there'd be a lot more incentive for Republicans to be at the bargaining table, as it is, Republicans already got what they wanted and Democrats leverage is political/electoral accountability. Unfortunately political/electoral accountability amid a hyperpartisan cycle is a pipe dream, and as with the domestic spying situation, does nothing to address the underlying systemic issues.
On August 11 2020 03:35 Danglars wrote: Dems should be celebrating for Trump attacking members of his own party making a principled point. He has good reason to say Obama can’t write immigration law, nor can Trump write payroll tax law. And Republicans should oppose this move, since we won’t be in control of the presidency in perpetuity, and it will someday be a Democratic president further emboldened to not enforce laws he/she doesn’t like.
House Democrats are on vacation now until September 14th, so there will be no legislative action on Coronavirus bills until then.
I mean that's pretty much what happened with Obama inheriting Bush's Patriot Act FBI and using Mueller and Comey. Same as Trump inheriting Obama's renewal, the several countries Obama was bombing, and all the immunity. Hard to argue the bombing and such is unacceptable for Trump since Democrats had so little opposition to the things Obama was doing that they wouldn't trust Trump to do.
Pretty sure both parties are on basically a "on-call" recess. Pathetic, but not particularly partisan imo.
Patriot Act inheriting power, but as we saw with the case of a Trump, it’s not really executive power. They were illegally obtaining wiretaps on Trump and hiding it.
You can say Obama inherited broad spending powers from Bush, because Tarp and bailouts did do that.
Democrats only realize now that cheering Obama means Trump gets the same toys. And naturally, they want to climb back in the pilot seat and start selectively enforcing other junk.
There's a bit more specifically executive (rather than people they hire and fire at will) aspects to it but the "multiple FBI officials lying to subordinates, and at least one FBI official falsifying documents submitted to obtain the FISA surveillance. Basically, lying to a judge to help the judge conclude that secretly wiretapping Americans was justified." is all stuff that happened under Bush and really has been archetype behavior from the FBI since inception.
Yeah, disagree. FBI deliberately altering documents to fraudulently obtain secret (FISA court) domestic surveillance of Americans is new in recent history. A Deputy Director of the FBI lying to his subordinates about the source of classified leaks (a felony) is new.
I'm not going to protest the yellowcake uranium or specific knowledge of WMD's were scandals, nor that J Edgar Hoover FBI was bad. I've also never seen anything close to this level of political bias and overt political influence since the Hoover era (mid 1920s - 1970s).
On August 11 2020 03:35 Danglars wrote: Dems should be celebrating for Trump attacking members of his own party making a principled point. He has good reason to say Obama can’t write immigration law, nor can Trump write payroll tax law. And Republicans should oppose this move, since we won’t be in control of the presidency in perpetuity, and it will someday be a Democratic president further emboldened to not enforce laws he/she doesn’t like.
House Democrats are on vacation now until September 14th, so there will be no legislative action on Coronavirus bills until then.
I mean that's pretty much what happened with Obama inheriting Bush's Patriot Act FBI and using Mueller and Comey. Same as Trump inheriting Obama's renewal, the several countries Obama was bombing, and all the immunity. Hard to argue the bombing and such is unacceptable for Trump since Democrats had so little opposition to the things Obama was doing that they wouldn't trust Trump to do.
Pretty sure both parties are on basically a "on-call" recess. Pathetic, but not particularly partisan imo.
Patriot Act inheriting power, but as we saw with the case of a Trump, it’s not really executive power. They were illegally obtaining wiretaps on Trump and hiding it.
You can say Obama inherited broad spending powers from Bush, because Tarp and bailouts did do that.
Democrats only realize now that cheering Obama means Trump gets the same toys. And naturally, they want to climb back in the pilot seat and start selectively enforcing other junk.
There's a bit more specifically executive (rather than people they hire and fire at will) aspects to it but the "multiple FBI officials lying to subordinates, and at least one FBI official falsifying documents submitted to obtain the FISA surveillance. Basically, lying to a judge to help the judge conclude that secretly wiretapping Americans was justified." is all stuff that happened under Bush and really has been archetype behavior from the FBI since inception.
Yeah, disagree. FBI deliberately altering documents to fraudulently obtain secret (FISA court) domestic surveillance of Americans is new in recent history. A Deputy Director of the FBI lying to his subordinates about the source of classified leaks (a felony) is new.
I'm not going to protest the yellowcake uranium or specific knowledge of WMD's were scandals, nor that J Edgar Hoover FBI was bad. I've also never seen anything close to this level of political bias and overt political influence since the Hoover era (mid 1920s - 1970s).
I wouldn't presume you not seeing it means it's not happening, especially when it comes to explicitly clandestine organizations.
One more "white house news briefing" that exposes how mentally unwell Trump is. Learning a lot of history through him, Didn't know that the spanish flu stopped ww2.
On August 11 2020 18:55 Erasme wrote: One more "white house news briefing" that exposes how mentally unwell Trump is. Learning a lot of history through him, Didn't know that the spanish flu stopped ww2.
Going through the typical cycle here.
> Trump headline/meme sounds pretty awful and insane. > Check it, seems he slipped and meant WWI. /horror
edit: here is a source on that:
No one can doubt that the influenza pandemic shortened The War. After four years of fighting Germany was running out of men, food, and money and was becoming politically unstable. American troops were flooding France ... http://www.kumc.edu/wwi/medicine/influenza.html
I actually am learning that about history thanks to this conversation. No idea if this is accurate regarding WWI, still, but it appears to be a credible idea at the least.
I didn't really watch it, but it sounds like he probably meant an effect on WWI. I don't see an objective need to be concerned about this as it appears likely immaterial to any point he was making? Making a gaffe isn't so bad...
..compared to showing signs of dementia or deliberately lying, for at least 32 years running.
The Press said pre-dementia 1988 Joe Biden was either too dumb or too dishonest to be President. Quite an impressive list just from then. - Claiming to be at the top of his class and got an award... got no award and was ranked 76 out of 85 in his class -- also unsure if this award even existed at all, sounds a little made up! - Plagiarized law school essays. - "Misremembers" he plagiarized speeches from (UK Labor MP) Neil Kinnock, Robert Kennedy, John Kennedy, and Hubert Humphrey. - Randomly made up that he got 3 degrees... says he misremembered, but challenges the reporter to an IQ competition for bringing it up.
I am only pointing that out since mental sharpness seems to be such a huge deal for republicans. The sad part about it, is that I can make a post a day about a new insane thing that trump just said/tweet.
On August 11 2020 21:09 Erasme wrote: I am only pointing that out since mental sharpness seems to be such a huge deal for republicans. The sad part about it, is that I can make a post a day about a new insane thing that trump just said/tweet.
I don't think a gaffe, e.g., orally switching a 1 or 2, is a measurement of sanity. We all do too many times to count. It might matter in some contexts, but it does not really seem to affect what we're evaluating him on as an executive or as a comparison to the Biden alternative.
It's pretty natural that Biden not remembering what state he is in and dodging difficult questions - more than any Presidential candidate ever seen since TVs came around - and having his supporters suggest he not debate, will lead to questions about his mental state, given his age.
I understand if some people want to look past it, but it seems very biased to point out a gaffe and suggest a false equivalence to what Biden does.
I actually think the above video supports him not having senility. He was misremembering how many degrees he earned 32 years ago...!
The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter
On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote: The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter
Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho.
On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote: The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter
Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho.
In these specific examples or more generally?
Trump is such an open bullshitter to a truly breathtaking degree that he’ll outdo even the more slimy conventional politician’s career lie count in a week or two of Tweets alone.
I don’t particularly care either for the click bait ‘Trump iz dumb/a liar’ articles because at this stage its flogging a horse so dead that its needed its headstone replaced multiple times.
Just a waste of paper/digital page space really. It’s probable that Trump meant WW1 in this instance, yes. I’m unsure what actual point that makes rather than just being a tangential observation, but hey. The silver lining of pandemics is shortening global wars?
On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote: The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter
Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho.
Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them!
edit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth.
Being a billionaire, albeit suspiciously one who likes to boast about it but weirdly not like to prove it via tax returns.
Or Trump University being absolutely a legitimate learning institution that was absolutely good value for its paying customers.
For the record I don’t think Trump lies very much. It’s so hard to distinguish what is a lie and what is just him being a dumbass, plus his narcissistic tendencies I reckon that he actually thinks he’s correct/telling the truth.
When other people lie it’s with misdirection and polish, they’re trying to hide their untruths because well, they know they are trying to lie and want to hide the extent. Trump is so exceedingly blatant that I think he doesn’t even know he’s doing it.
On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote: The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter
Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho.
Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them!
edit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth.
It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas.
It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote: The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter
Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho.
Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them!
edit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth.
It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas.
It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
And people still believe that Bernie Sanders said white peoples couldn’t be poor. I do agree that media oversensationalises and takes gaffes or quotes way out of context too frequently though, for sure. Across the political spectrum this is pretty universally done, and makes for poor reporting.
On the other hand with Trump there’s often not a benign interpretation, just other bad interpretations.
Either he actually suggested injecting bleach and is a complete idiot, or he just wonders aloud for scientists to try things as if they hadn’t already considered the possibility. Which isn’t exactly great either, especially with the context of his administrations’ love and deference to scientists and their advice.
On August 11 2020 21:21 Wombat_NI wrote: The cycle is more akin to Trump says something and if one applies a lens tinting to the generous side one can maybe interpret that he made a salient point about some other thing.
Gaffes are mistakes or misspeak that perhaps historically we’ve been too harsh on lampooning. Happens to the best of us.
Trump just outright doesn’t know what he’s talking about or quite blatantly lies with a startling regularity. Plus it’s not like he’s making a mistake in an off-the-cuff speech half the time it’s coming from what he’s throwing out on Twitter
Well, the characterization you give at the end seems to refer to other times and none of those situations apply to what he was being eagerly lampooned for here (eagerly by the media in general, when I searched the quote I got a plethora of happy News articles and happy tweeters eager to "own" Trump). I may be failing in memory, but at the moment, I don't really find Trump doing the equivalent to what Biden did in the above examples (he will naturally favorably interpret things for his own benefit, but are there equivalent examples of blatant manipulative deceptions to objectively misrepresent facts, as in that video?).
edit: also, glad you mentioned the lens tinting to the generous side of things point. I think we _should_ do that if attempting to be objective. In doing so, sometimes we may not be able to hold a strong feeling or opinion -- probably a good thing -- and would recognize the limits of making an interpretation off of something tenuous. In 2020 when the News is so polarized and emotion/shock driven, this seems more important. I probably fail to do this myself a lot, tho.
Wait you can't think of examples of Trump blatant misrepresenting facts? How about when he took a sharpie to the weather map to include states he said but it didn't? And the weather station had to put out messages to stop people from boarding up their windows and evacuating their houses. Or the time he told people injecting themselves with bleach was a good idea. Or all the bull shit on hydroxychloroquine. Or that Twitter had to put messages next to his untrue tweets. And so on and so forth. The guy is such a compulsive liar it is hard to keep up with them!
edit: googling trump lies will bring up almost and endless about of articles about it because he does it so bloody much it hard to remember specific ones. He might actually lie more than he tells the truth.
It's hard to keep up on the lies, and the *helpful* lies about the lies. The spin was he told people to inject themselves with bleach, the truth is he wondered if scientists should investigate ultraviolet light or disinfection as possible research areas.
It's still bad, but it's sad that in this day and age you can't trust secondary reporting to get the actual story. People still believe Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
And people still believe that Bernie Sanders said white peoples couldn’t be poor. I do agree that media oversensationalises and takes gaffes or quotes way out of context too frequently though, for sure. Across the political spectrum this is pretty universally done, and makes for poor reporting.
On the other hand with Trump there’s often not a benign interpretation, just other bad interpretations.
Either he actually suggested injecting bleach and is a complete idiot, or he just wonders aloud for scientists to try things as if they hadn’t already considered the possibility. Which isn’t exactly great either, especially with the context of his administrations’ love and deference to scientists and their advice.
Likewise, Bernie's actual comments were not exactly great either. Regardless, I hate over-sensationalizing, essentially lying about what Trump said and getting others to repeat it until it becomes the truth, because you can accurately quote Trump and get the same effect without making the "fake news" charge partially true. The "both sides do it" part of the story is contributing to tearing the country apart. Libs think Fox News lies to their viewers, cons think CNN/MSNBC lies to their viewers, and with ample evidence.
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