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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On August 08 2020 09:48 Danglars wrote: Good thing then that the Senate hasn't declared that they will not negotiate and will let the House and President sort things out while they go home.Yeah if anything is to be done, it has to be the legislature. If they can't agree, political pressure mounts as jobless people find unemployment benefits unable to fund their living expenses. Oh wait, McConnel did exactly that. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
On August 08 2020 09:48 Danglars wrote: Yeah if anything is to be done, it has to be the legislature. If they can't agree, political pressure mounts as jobless people find unemployment benefits unable to fund their living expenses. Yeah, not a fan to put it mildly, even it's possibly smart politics. This vs Schumer spending so.mcuh energy trying to reinstate SALT deductions? Looks bad. But these are precedents that, with a compliant press, will continue to make the president more powerful next time the WH switches hands. Would really like to see the legal work for this... edit: looking more, these are things he's floating for "next week?" Seem kinda like trial balloons, many of which go nowhere. We'll see. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 08 2020 10:03 Introvert wrote: Yeah, not a fan to put it mildly, even it's possibly smart politics. This vs Schumer spending so.mcuh energy trying to reinstate SALT deductions? Looks bad. But these are precedents that, with a compliant press, will continue to make the president more powerful next time the WH switches hands. Would really like to see the legal work for this... edit: looking more, these are things he's floating for "next week?" Seem kinda like trial balloons, many of which go nowhere. We'll see. It's hard to keep track on who's holding out for what with all the intentional disinformation. Earlier in the week, Pelosi went big on state aid and Post Office. SALT deductions I had heard earlier, but didn't know that they had resurfaced. Tax breaks for the rich is an interesting strategy. Childcare instead of schools too, right. Whatever, typical Washington politics. And Democrats would love to get all their big spending plans during a Republican presidency and under the guise of coronavirus relief. Good luck reopening with unskilled labor sitting back on super-unemployment, we had LA restaurants in one article wanting to reopen, but employees found the pay difference to not be sufficient to justify working. And all the economic trolls herp derping about "pay them more." Queue the eye-roll. Narrowly tailor this to individuals the need help because they're sick and unable to work, or their state has forced their business to close or operate at lower volumes. Save the pork for the possible Biden presidency, just like the move to filibuster the George Floyd bill in hopes of passing something in the next Congress. Of course, you're absolutely right about pen-and-phone executive branch power that guys like Biden would love to get their grubby paws on. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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micronesia
United States24813 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8225 Posts
On August 09 2020 00:50 Mohdoo wrote: If Trump actually freezes student loans "indefinitely", that means someone will eventually need to turn them back on. How popular will that be? Especially if Biden is elected. This could be extremely major and makes me think Republicans will put a timer on it rather than indefinite Considering who they are, would it be that surprising for them to not put a timer and leave it as a political time bomb for the next administration? I mean imagine the joy of the most strident progressives when Biden has to turn that thing on again. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On August 09 2020 03:38 Biff The Understudy wrote: I imagine the fear is greater that they don't and progressives finally get the student debt relief they have been clambering for for a while.Considering who they are, would it be that surprising for them to not put a timer and leave it as a political time bomb for the next administration? I mean imagine the joy of the most strident progressives when Biden has to turn that thing on again. No, much better to put a timer on it and make it back on automatically. Like how they tried to blame the Dems for the Bush tax cuts expiring. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
Like trust me my cousins would freak out if he even hinted at doing anything for college debt. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4463 Posts
On August 09 2020 03:38 Biff The Understudy wrote: Considering who they are, would it be that surprising for them to not put a timer and leave it as a political time bomb for the next administration? I mean imagine the joy of the most strident progressives when Biden has to turn that thing on again. I watched some of the news conference from yesterday when Trump signed the executive orders giving an extra $400 a week to unemployed, cut payroll tax, student loan deferrals etc.Reporter was saying it would get tied up in the courts, Trump shouldn't bypass congress. Imagine dems actually going to court and arguing against $400 a week for unemployed people, payroll tax cuts and student loan deferrals less than 3 months before an election.Best Trump campaign material yet that would be. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
This scam is no different from Trump’s previous behaviour regarding policy so I don’t know why you or the media didn’t review the EO contents before claiming Trump did what Congress could not. The man has been going off about how he signed Vet Choices (that was Obama) and saving pre-existing conditions protection (that’s Obamacare). He actually isn’t doing anything except saying he’s saying he’s doing something, which I then response with talk is cheap. Since Trump isn’t actually doing anything (outside of shuffling funds around, which is going to take forever to even get to us), all of this still has be done through Congress so there isn’t any pressing reason for anyone upset about their legality to do anything. Maybe it might push them to hurry up so we don’t we financially screwed further but I’m not convinced. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On August 09 2020 08:50 StalkerTL wrote: The silly thing is that it doesn't even do anything for Trump. No one gives a shit he pretends to have solved these issues. Trump’s Executive Orders would be excellent for us if they actually did anything. The actual content is like his steaks: apparently world class steaks that are actually awful cuts of meat. It’s mostly a marketing scam, what happened to not trusting things at face value anymore? This scam is no different from Trump’s previous behaviour regarding policy so I don’t know why you or the media didn’t review the EO contents before claiming Trump did what Congress could not. The man has been going off about how he signed Vet Choices (that was Obama) and saving pre-existing conditions protection (that’s Obamacare). He actually isn’t doing anything except saying he’s saying he’s doing something, which I then response with talk is cheap. Since Trump isn’t actually doing anything (outside of shuffling funds around, which is going to take forever to even get to us), all of this still has be done through Congress so there isn’t any pressing reason for anyone upset about their legality to do anything. Maybe it might push them to hurry up so we don’t we financially screwed further but I’m not convinced. What people notice is money in their pocket. People who don't see more unemployment money, still get charged for their student debt ect are only going to get MORE angry when they wonder why they are not seeing the thing Trump claimed to have done. The only thing this benefits is Trump's ego, where he pretends he did a thing but actually didn't do that thing. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On August 09 2020 09:13 Gorsameth wrote: The silly thing is that it doesn't even do anything for Trump. No one gives a shit he pretends to have solved these issues. What people notice is money in their pocket. People who don't see more unemployment money, still get charged for their student debt ect are only going to get MORE angry when they wonder why they are not seeing the thing Trump claimed to have done. The only thing this benefits is Trump's ego, where he pretends he did a thing but actually didn't do that thing. I wonder if this whole Senate impasse is a contrived effort to have Trump look like the powerhouse in charge of fixing the issue. It's a cynical take but I had my suspicions before these executive orders were even announced. I can only hope that's not the case. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
For reference i'm looking at his news conference when he unveiled his eo, and it basically stops at 4min out of 30+, then it's a rally. | ||
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