EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 2511
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
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JimmiC
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/philadelphia-da-promises-to-criminally-charge-trumps-dhs-troops-if-they-kidnap-protesters/ | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24507 Posts
On July 22 2020 08:29 Gahlo wrote: Philly DA says Trumps secret police will be charged if their kidnapping nonsense comes to the city. https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/philadelphia-da-promises-to-criminally-charge-trumps-dhs-troops-if-they-kidnap-protesters/ Oregon's AG has a lawsuit pending. Who exactly would stop the feds though? Probably not the police departments the people are protesting in the first place. Particularly in places like Chicago where they were notoriously black-bagging and torturing people already. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On July 22 2020 08:37 GreenHorizons wrote: Oregon's AG has a lawsuit pending. Who exactly would stop the feds though? Probably not the police departments the people are protesting in the first place. Particularly in places like Chicago where they were notoriously black-bagging and torturing people already. It is not difficult to get local, state, and federal police to work together, but it is also not difficult to get them to viciously fight with one another. However, the federal agency thugs being used by HS and CBP are mostly “real police” rejects who are altogether very different from the likes of the FBI and US Marshals, so it’s difficult to split. A lack of local cooperation is definitely possible though. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
A US President after dicking around for months against basically all advice makes a Tweet saying wearing a mask, which he studiously avoided doing for months is the patriotic thing. On Twitter. With a grey scale filter and a black mask that made him look like a member of AntiFa. With (legitimate) questions as to whether his hands were photoshopped to appear larger. Next we have the, apparent necessity of the Philly DA saying that you know, you can’t just fucking kidnap people. Because it needs to be said for some reason. What? People say that GH’s visions for society are unrealistic and silly. My views being a sort of GH-lite. Why? The most utterly preposterous shit is happening daily as it is. It’s beyond insane. Look I know people do the whole ‘my child said x’ Tweet thing where it’s transparent the parent is just inserting their own political views. My 7 year old asked me, with the news in the background who that guy is. ‘Oh he’s the President of the United States son.’ ‘Why does he talk so silly? You talk silly when you’re doing a joke but you talk like a normal person would.’ To slightly paraphrase. It’s fucking, bonkers. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24507 Posts
On July 22 2020 08:45 farvacola wrote: It is not difficult to get local, state, and federal police to work together, but it is also not difficult to get them to viciously fight with one another. However, the federal agency thugs being used by HS and CBP are mostly “real police” rejects who are altogether very different from the likes of the FBI and US Marshals, so it’s difficult to split. A lack of local cooperation is definitely possible though. A lack of local cooperation doesn't stop or prevent it though, as is already evidenced by the feds' continued actions. So the question of who is going to stop them remains. 'They're not under our control': Deputy police chief testifies about Portland protests, federal response "I don't have the legal authority to prevent them from taking action," deputy Portland Police Chief Chris Davis said of the federal officers. www.kgw.com | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
We don't really know who these people are in the first place - federal government is a good guess, but for all we know it is the proud boys. But if the guess is correct, national guard being deployed against the feds would be a giant constitutional crisis. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 22 2020 09:45 Nevuk wrote: Obvious answer is the national guard. There isn't any other group capable of it with anything close to the legal right. We don't really know who these people are in the first place - federal government is a good guess, but for all we know it is the proud boys. But if the guess is correct, national guard being deployed against the feds would be a giant constitutional crisis. BuT sTaTeS' rIgHtS! What a fucking joke this is. Edit: Sorry didn't make this clear. I meant what a fucking joke this situation is. States' rights folks should be losing their shit right now, and yet the vast majority of conservatives (except for libertarians) are either silent or openly supporting these federal forces. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 22 2020 14:53 Stratos_speAr wrote: BuT sTaTeS' rIgHtS! What a fucking joke this is. States rights is precisely why states should demand identification, notice of rights, access to a lawyer, and members of their police overseeing the process. If you routinely denigrate state rights, then stand the fuck aside when the feds intrude on them to do something involving a federal courthouse. You’re no help at all, go pretend you’ll get the president you want every election until you die. | ||
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Anc13nt
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
With Homeland Security forces escalating stuff, and unmarked forces just grabbing people of the streets without giving reasons as to why that is happening, it sounds really, really scary to me. That sort of stuff shouldn't be happening in democracies, and it is really scary how easy it seems to be for stuff that shouldn't be happening in democracies to start happening. It sounds really, really like autocratic secret police terror strategies. Four years ago, the US, while having a slightly strange system and a lot of weird stuff like not having healthcare, still seemed like a democratic country with rule of law and some human rights. Now, it seems closer to some autocratic banana republic hellhole every day. It really makes me wonder if you even have elections again if you manage to somehow elect Trump again. Or if you will have a chance for fair elections this November. What do you americans think about this? How can this happen? And why is there not a giant uproar going through all institutions against this? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 23 2020 00:17 Simberto wrote: I just listened to a podcast (and afterwards read up on) the stuff currently happening in Portland. (No source because the sources were in German) With Homeland Security forces escalating stuff, and unmarked forces just grabbing people of the streets without giving reasons as to why that is happening, it sounds really, really scary to me. That sort of stuff shouldn't be happening in democracies, and it is really scary how easy it seems to be for stuff that shouldn't be happening in democracies to start happening. It sounds really, really like autocratic secret police terror strategies. Four years ago, the US, while having a slightly strange system and a lot of weird stuff like not having healthcare, still seemed like a democratic country with rule of law and some human rights. Now, it seems closer to some autocratic banana republic hellhole every day. It really makes me wonder if you even have elections again if you manage to somehow elect Trump again. Or if you will have a chance for fair elections this November. What do you americans think about this? How can this happen? And why is there not a giant uproar going through all institutions against this? Vast majority of Americans are tired. That's the plain truth of it. That and apathetic to much of anything that isn't personally immediate. That's the only reason I can think of. Will the elections be fair? No. Will there be controversy? Of course. Will we get another term of trump? People elected him once. | ||
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Like_I_Said,
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 23 2020 00:22 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Vast majority of Americans are tired. That's the plain truth of it. That and apathetic to much of anything that isn't personally immediate. That's the only reason I can think of. Will the elections be fair? No. Will there be controversy? Of course. Will we get another term of trump? People elected him once. "Americans are tired" is a nice way to put it. Long-standing fights like net neutrality were lost in the blink of an eye because people just don't have the stamina that large corporations do in fighting for what they want. The gigantic corporate handouts on the coronavirus stimulus were passed without any meaningful fuss either. The "establishment consensus against the people" is strong - far stronger than the opposition to it at this point. And, perhaps fittingly, it's becoming increasingly difficult to care. | ||
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