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On May 31 2020 03:04 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism. I'll offer up a third option. You hate riots and bad reasoning. If I stumbled on a page full of people actively promoting the hurting of innocents by the police I'd probably say something about that as well. Abuse of power by the police is bad. Riots are bad. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how emotionally invested you are.
People aren't going to morality their way out of a history of oppression and the long lasting effects on how people treat eachother.
Drastic action is what the rioters want in a system they don't believe can do it. So they riot.
If someone cheated in a race and the officials ignore it what actions do the other people from that race have left?
The thing is that these riots aren't just about George Floyd and people really need to get that though their head. Acting like it's one action leading to one "overreaction" is ignoring alot.
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Exactly. It’s like saying that February Revolution occurred because Russia was going through some hard times after the war and those people should really have just protested peacefully because they harmed innocent people along the way.
The Revolution occurred as a result of hundreds and hundreds of years of people being forced into serfdom while the rest of the world improved in front of their eyes, then being asked to die for a country that has given nothing back and then now facing the looming issue of starvation and economic stagnation. It was a product of hundreds of years of building resentment.
People didn’t mind burning Petrograd because what did the people or buildings there ever provide them with? Little to nothing as far as they are concerned. It is no different here for a lot of people, the solution to prevent this rioting was to actually deal with the concerns of minority groups many decades ago.
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On May 31 2020 03:32 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 03:04 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism. I'll offer up a third option. You hate riots and bad reasoning. If I stumbled on a page full of people actively promoting the hurting of innocents by the police I'd probably say something about that as well. Abuse of power by the police is bad. Riots are bad. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how emotionally invested you are. People aren't going to morality their way out of a history of oppression and the long lasting effects on how people treat eachother. Drastic action is what the rioters want in a system they don't believe can do it. So they riot. If someone cheated in a race and the officials ignore it what actions do the other people from that race have left? The thing is that these riots aren't just about George Floyd and people really need to get that though their head. Acting like it's one action leading to one "overreaction" is ignoring alot.
To add to this, asking people to do it through the ballot when they've tried that feels insulting. To be honest, anything would feel insulting at that point. Disagreeing with the "means" of those people rioting today and telling them to do it peacefully when they've tried it is like setting a timeline on their freedom. "You'll get your freedom soon, just shoulder this injustice for a few more years while we work on it" is so cold and lacking in compassion for the people who instinctively tense up and get ready to comply when they hear a siren passing by their own home.
Additionally, for the magnitude of the injustices vs. the timeline for which they happen, just look at what happened with Jon Burge. This article has some graphic language, so I'm going to put it in a spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
For those who want to avoid it, Burge had a torture warehouse in the city of Chicago where he brought people in based on race and forced confession out of them for crimes they didn't commit, and it got him promoted while he was a police officer. After he was suspended with pay, it took 7 more years until he was fired and 17 after that to be convicted, if only for lying and not for using torture methods from the Vietnam War on "suspicious" African-Americans. The lives of those people were ruined forever, some dead, others with time they'll never get back and experiences they'll never recover from, and Burge was able to avoid prison until he had less than 10 years left on his life.
Condemning people to the brutality they may face in the future while the gears of change tick slowly by with a senate that's almost impossible to stay blue is something those people who riot can't bring themselves to do.
Even if I don't like the damages caused to random stores and restaurants and it'll harm people who have nothing to do with it, I can accept their rioting as the only thing they've got left if they want change to happen now.
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At this point, what type of change would satisfy people on the street? Reopening of old cases where officers walked free after murder? New agency that polices the police, with prosecutors that don't have a working relationship with them? New police weapon use program where the danger risk moves from civilians to cops, ie they can't draw weapons until they are actually in danger?
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Some other news:
Trump announced his intent to host the G7 summit (originally planned in his own hotel, later then planned for Camp David, then changed to a video conference due to corona) in the White House for the end of June.
After a call Boris Johnson (PM Great Britain) has welcomed this in person meeting.
Meanwhile Angela Merkel (Chancellor Germany) has already said that she does not plan to attend in person. You can imagine that this is causing a fair amount of amusement here 
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On May 31 2020 03:04 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism. I'll offer up a third option. You hate riots and bad reasoning. If I stumbled on a page full of people actively promoting the hurting of innocents by the police I'd probably say something about that as well. Abuse of power by the police is bad. Riots are bad. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how emotionally invested you are.
I'm from the Twin Cities. Lived there my entire life. I am both directly and indirectly affected by the damage that is being done.
Store owners, from the smallest mom 'n' pap stores to the CEO of Target, are coming out and saying that the lives lost to police brutality are more important than physical property.
That speaks volumes.
To add to this, asking people to do it through the ballot when they've tried that feels insulting. To be honest, anything would feel insulting at that point. Disagreeing with the "means" of those people rioting today and telling them to do it peacefully when they've tried it is like setting a timeline on their freedom. "You'll get your freedom soon, just shoulder this injustice for a few more years while we work on it" is so cold and lacking in compassion for the people who instinctively tense up and get ready to comply when they hear a siren passing by their own home.
Additionally, for the magnitude of the injustices vs. the timeline for which they happen, just look at what happened with Jon Burge. This article has some graphic language, so I'm going to put it in a spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
For those who want to avoid it, Burge had a torture warehouse in the city of Chicago where he brought people in based on race and forced confession out of them for crimes they didn't commit, and it got him promoted while he was a police officer. After he was suspended with pay, it took 7 more years until he was fired and 17 after that to be convicted, if only for lying and not for using torture methods from the Vietnam War on "suspicious" African-Americans. The lives of those people were ruined forever, some dead, others with time they'll never get back and experiences they'll never recover from, and Burge was able to avoid prison until he had less than 10 years left on his life.
Condemning people to the brutality they may face in the future while the gears of change tick slowly by with a senate that's almost impossible to stay blue is something those people who riot can't bring themselves to do.
Even if I don't like the damages caused to random stores and restaurants and it'll harm people who have nothing to do with it, I can accept their rioting as the only thing they've got left if they want change to happen now.
Asking them to act via the ballot is particularly insulting because they have. Minneapolis-St. Paul is one of the most liberal areas of the country. The problem is that the police aren't accountable to politicians. They act with impunity and actively support atrocious union reps and refuse to hold each other accountable.
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Why are there riots in the greatest democracy of the free world?
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On May 31 2020 04:18 JohnDelaney wrote:
Why are there riots in the greatest democracy of the free world?
Because that may have been true 60 years ago but it isn't now. It's a lie that has been perpetuated by the last two generations onto us because their egos were too fragile to deal with the failures of the United States.
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On May 31 2020 04:14 mahrgell wrote:Some other news: Trump announced his intent to host the G7 summit (originally planned in his own hotel, later then planned for Camp David, then changed to a video conference due to corona) in the White House for the end of June. After a call Boris Johnson (PM Great Britain) has welcomed this in person meeting. Meanwhile Angela Merkel (Chancellor Germany) has already said that she does not plan to attend in person. You can imagine that this is causing a fair amount of amusement here Merkels health hasn't been amazing right? makes sense she has little appetite for going to a country still in the full grip of an epidemic just to satisfy Trump's ego and need to pretend there is no crisis.
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I am not even sure if that is the reason, Merkel is simply a competent politician and thus wouldn't set a sign as stupid as going to a giant meeting with lots and lots of people while asking people in her country to keep up social distancing and maintaining how important it is to avoid mass events.
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On May 31 2020 04:36 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 04:14 mahrgell wrote:Some other news: Trump announced his intent to host the G7 summit (originally planned in his own hotel, later then planned for Camp David, then changed to a video conference due to corona) in the White House for the end of June. After a call Boris Johnson (PM Great Britain) has welcomed this in person meeting. Meanwhile Angela Merkel (Chancellor Germany) has already said that she does not plan to attend in person. You can imagine that this is causing a fair amount of amusement here Merkels health hasn't been amazing right? makes sense she has little appetite for going to a country still in the full grip of an epidemic just to satisfy Trump's ego and need to pretend there is no crisis.
I'm not aware of any worrying health issues with Merkel. But sure she isn't as fit as she was when she entered office. But for US politics standards, she is ultra young, even after 16 years in office.
So for me it is more:
- there is an easy available reason
- she doesn't want to follow every of Trumps spontaneous bullshit ideas
- it would certainly be a terrible look in Germany, when the people are told to not travel, follow restrictions, be reasonable etc, and then she travels to an uncontrolled hotspot with an orange monkey in charge who is unable to follow any safety rules.
- she is at the end of her political career, and Trump might be too, so this is the perfect opportunity to not follow this nonsense just to play for the future
- the likelihood of this meeting producing anything meaningful is extremely low when Trump just holds this for election purposes anyway
So there is basically nothing to gain from attending, not a lot of risk involved in not attending and it makes perfect sense for German politics and from a personal level. Yeah.... easy decision.
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The disturbing part of the violence going with this protests is how many are from out of state. Every person arrested last night was not a resident of Minnesota. As Bill Barr of the DoJ sums up, outside groups encouraged the violence.
(Excerpted from a briefing)
I bailed out of downtown LA before the riots there started. It’s so heartbreaking seeing low and mid income communities hurt by coronavirus are seeing their local businesses destroyed. Just no words for agitators that see a racial crime as an opportunity to support violent riots for their agenda.
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Wouldn‘t that be the first G7 at the WH?What‘s the point even with phones and videoconferences?Just a wasteful symbolism for the pompous orange, and he does everything unilaterally anyway.
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there are no innocent people here.
bystanders, watching for decades while some of their community members are getting killed, tortured, assaulted, dehumanized ... they're are as guilty as those policemen.
- group cohesiveness, altruism, empathy = 0.
- ingroup vs outgroup = clear delineations/priorities.
might as well talk to aliens at this point.
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On May 31 2020 04:21 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 04:18 JohnDelaney wrote:
Why are there riots in the greatest democracy of the free world? Because that may have been true 60 years ago but it isn't now. It's a lie that has been perpetuated by the last two generations onto us because their egos were too fragile to deal with the failures of the United States.
I mean, weren't the Watts riots just about 50 years ago?
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On May 31 2020 04:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
At this point, what type of change would satisfy people on the street? Reopening of old cases where officers walked free after murder? New agency that polices the police, with prosecutors that don't have a working relationship with them? New police weapon use program where the danger risk moves from civilians to cops, ie they can't draw weapons until they are actually in danger?
I can't speak for all the people on the street but personally I think, just as doctors have tried to adopt best practices from pilots and assembly line workers to reduce error, police should look to doctors to improve accountability. The pay of doctors and police overlap and they work together in forensics, mental health, and emergency services. Doctors have better public relations in that they cause far fewer riots while causing much more death through malpractice.
I would like to see a system of licensing system for police similar to that of doctors, the most important components of which are an assessment of competency, a review of complaints, and a personal mandate for liability insurance.
Here again are possible components of medical licensing and renewal:
1) Completion of a recognized training program
2) Passing competency examinations
3) Passing a criminal background check
4) Passing a civil litigation background check
5) Passing a background check of past license revocation in response to complaints
6) Providing a verifiable professional work history including explanations of periods of unemployment
7) Continuing education, possibly including repeating competency examinations (The police continuing education equivalent might include advances in de-escalation techniques, proficiency in new weapons, changes in laws, First Aid, etc.)
8) Obtaining malpractice insurance
I can already foresee that the problem with the Derek Chavuin case is going to be the forensic autopsy. Forensic autopsies are often rife with equivocations big enough for a skilled defense attorney to shape into reasonable doubt. But imagine that Derek Chauvin had to maintain a Basic First Aid certificate to obtain a law enforcement license. He could be nailed for criminal negligence by the testimony of an expert First Aid instructor.
Although I have listed malpractice insurance last, it is perhaps the most important. Police work closely with prosecutors, making it difficult to get an unbiased prosecution. Insurers are not so burdened and have their bottom line to consider, which should help to price bad cops out of business through increasing insurance premiums. I am heartened to find some protestors (people on the street) calling for personally mandated liability insurance for police. For example: https://www.masslive.com/springfield/2020/05/george-floyds-death-in-minneapolis-prompts-hundreds-to-protest-police-brutality-outside-springfield-police-headquarters.html
“If all police had to carry insurance, the worst offenders would quickly be identified, and they would be charged a higher rate,” said Holly Richardson, community organizer of Out Now. “If they continued down this path, eventually they would be priced out, or become un-insurable and thus unemployable.”
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On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. I mean imagine being angrier about a business having to receive insurance money than hundreds of years of of a whole population being killed by the state lol. Disgusting and self righteous indeed. The whole population has not been killed by the state. In fact, black families are overrepresented as welfare recipients by 26.3%. "FY 1999, Non-Hispanic White families made up 30.5% of the [welfare]caseload, African-American families 38.3%, and Hispanic families, 24.5%." Source. Overall, "The rate of dependency for non-Hispanic Blacks is more than six times that of non-Hispanic Whites, and that of Hispanics is more than four times as high." Source.
More stats you may find useful. “Of adults arrested for murder, 53% were Black or African American", an overrepresentation of 41%. Source. From 2012-2015, black people represented 22.7% of violent crime offenders, an overrepresentation of 10.7%. White people committed 8.9% (91,470 offenders) of violent crime against black people. Black people committed 17.8% (540,360 offenders) of violent crime against white people. Source.
Unfortunately the data is incomplete. "In 2015, 46% of the violent crimes and 19% of the property crimes reported to police were cleared, according to FBI data. 62% of murders and non-negligent homicides in the U.S. were cleared." Source Baltimore, Chicago and New Orleans cleared less than 28% of homicide cases in 2016. Memphis, Detroit, and Indianapolis have similar rates. Source.
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On May 31 2020 04:57 Danglars wrote:The disturbing part of the violence going with this protests is how many are from out of state. Every person arrested last night was not a resident of Minnesota. As Bill Barr of the DoJ sums up, outside groups encouraged the violence. https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266795434141515777(Excerpted from a briefing) I bailed out of downtown LA before the riots there started. It’s so heartbreaking seeing low and mid income communities hurt by coronavirus are seeing their local businesses destroyed. Just no words for agitators that see a racial crime as an opportunity to support violent riots for their agenda.
I've seen both leftwing and rightwing groups blaming each other for agitating. Not sure what's going on, but there's definitely outside actors spurring things on.
Sidenote :
If real change actually happens, in 50 years the textbooks are going to say Colin Kaepernick kneeling is what changed things (based on how ridiculously simplified our 60s ones are about the civil rights movement)
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On May 31 2020 05:17 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. I mean imagine being angrier about a business having to receive insurance money than hundreds of years of of a whole population being killed by the state lol. Disgusting and self righteous indeed. The whole population has not been killed by the state. In fact, black families are overrepresented as welfare recipients by 26.3%. "FY 1999, Non-Hispanic White families made up 30.5% of the [welfare]caseload, African-American families 38.3%, and Hispanic families, 24.5%." Source. Overall, "The rate of dependency for non-Hispanic Blacks is more than six times that of non-Hispanic Whites, and that of Hispanics is more than four times as high." Source. More stats you may find useful. “Of adults arrested for murder, 53% were Black or African American", an overrepresentation of 41%. Source. From 2012-2015, black people represented 22.7% of violent crime offenders, an overrepresentation of 10.7%. White people committed 8.9% (91,470 offenders) of violent crime against black people. Black people committed 17.8% (540,360 offenders) of violent crime against white people. Source. Unfortunately the data is incomplete. "In 2015, 46% of the violent crimes and 19% of the property crimes reported to police were cleared, according to FBI data. 62% of murders and non-negligent homicides in the U.S. were cleared." Source Baltimore, Chicago and New Orleans cleared less than 28% of homicide cases in 2016. Memphis, Detroit, and Indianapolis have similar rates. Source.
You can't just write "in fact, [..]" and throw in a non-sequitur stat salad that makes me reread the post you quoted just to make sure I don't have an aneurysm.
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On May 31 2020 04:57 Danglars wrote:The disturbing part of the violence going with this protests is how many are from out of state. Every person arrested last night was not a resident of Minnesota. As Bill Barr of the DoJ sums up, outside groups encouraged the violence. https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266795434141515777(Excerpted from a briefing) I bailed out of downtown LA before the riots there started. It’s so heartbreaking seeing low and mid income communities hurt by coronavirus are seeing their local businesses destroyed. Just no words for agitators that see a racial crime as an opportunity to support violent riots for their agenda. Not really surprising, anywhere a riot happens people flock in who just want an excuse to loot and fight the police.
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