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On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words.
Disgusting and self righteous! Nice
If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day.
I mean imagine being angrier about a business having to receive insurance money than hundreds of years of of a whole population being killed by the state lol.
Disgusting and self righteous indeed.
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The NYPD are not responding well. Other angles show the person walking backwards from the cop before this. I feel like the responses we see to this are going to make the protestors points for them.
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On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day.
These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause.
The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded.
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Ok guys why don't you put your money where your mouth is and burn each others apartments down. You can do it seperatly and in secret so that you won't have to foot the bill. No? What about Floyd... are you saying that your apartments are worth more than his life?
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On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded.
Why do you think riots happen.
They have tried the peaceful method. They had the NFL blackball a decent enough quarterback, attempt to obfuscate the issue with the tried and true all lives matter message and even had the President say that kneelers shouldn’t be in America.
The peaceful method has never worked and will never work.
On May 31 2020 02:43 puppykiller wrote:
Ok guys why don't you put your money where your mouth is and burn each others apartments down. You can do it seperatly and in secret so that you won't have to foot the bill. No? What about Floyd... are you saying that your apartments are worth more than his life?
This would be good reading to answer the (rhetorical) questions you are asking.
The tl;dr is that rioters burn down their own cities because they don’t value it anymore. They’re not burning down their apartments because they obviously value their place of living. These sort of riots happen when society is breaking down.
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On May 31 2020 02:43 puppykiller wrote:
Ok guys why don't you put your money where your mouth is and burn each others apartments down. You can do it seperatly and in secret so that you won't have to foot the bill. No? What about Floyd... are you saying that your apartments are worth more than his life?
Burning my flat down probably wouldn't do much to change the US government's mind on that one 
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On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded.
It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc.
Potentially 80% of rioters/looters are from out-of-town. At one point, the St. Paul police said that all of their arrests last night were people that weren't from the Twin Cities.
https://www.twincities.com/2020/05/30/mn-officials-outsiders-fueling-nights-of-rioting-looting-and-violence-in-twin-cities/
Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability.
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On May 31 2020 02:44 StalkerTL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. Why do you think riots happen. They have tried the peaceful method. They had the NFL blackball a decent enough quarterback, attempt to obfuscate the issue with the tried and true all lives matter message and even had the President say that kneelers shouldn’t be in America. The peaceful method has never worked and will never work.
And none of that change the fact that riots hurt unrelated and innocent people.
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On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability.
Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too
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On May 31 2020 02:50 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:44 StalkerTL wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. Why do you think riots happen. They have tried the peaceful method. They had the NFL blackball a decent enough quarterback, attempt to obfuscate the issue with the tried and true all lives matter message and even had the President say that kneelers shouldn’t be in America. The peaceful method has never worked and will never work. And none of that change the fact that riots hurt unrelated and innocent people.
That is true, and it wouldn't be necessary to do it if the justice system stopped protecting murderer cops.
You're sure you're happy with your focus being on the property here?
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On May 31 2020 02:50 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:44 StalkerTL wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. Why do you think riots happen. They have tried the peaceful method. They had the NFL blackball a decent enough quarterback, attempt to obfuscate the issue with the tried and true all lives matter message and even had the President say that kneelers shouldn’t be in America. The peaceful method has never worked and will never work. And none of that change the fact that riots hurt unrelated and innocent people.
Which complete ignores the mechanics of a riot like this.
They hurt unrelated and innocent people. You have to ask yourself why these rioters are burning down their own city. If you can answer that, it’s extremely easy to see what is motivating them and why condemnation of rioting is meaninglessness tutt-tutting.
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On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too
I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily:
If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met:
1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!"
2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death
then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism.
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On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism.
I'll offer up a third option. You hate riots and bad reasoning. If I stumbled on a page full of people actively promoting the hurting of innocents by the police I'd probably say something about that as well.
Abuse of power by the police is bad. Riots are bad. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how emotionally invested you are.
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Anyone against rioting is a racist who values property above George Floyd? Ok destroy your property bro... I'm waiting.
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On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism.
Yeah, that is the thing i cannot understand.
If there is a recurring situation where cops murder people, get caught on video, and then walk free because a corrupt justice system never punishes cops, no matter what they do, and then people get angry about that, how can you honestly say that the main problem which requires the most focus here is people getting angry, and not cops murdering people and getting away with it?
I simply cannot understand that line of thought. Yes, people getting angry and rioting is bad. But a corrupt justice system which murders the citizens it is supposed to protect, and which is never being held accountable for that is infinitely worse.
Especially if that has been going on for decades at the least, and there has been no sign of change whatsoever, and even worse, the people in power don't even recognize that the problem even exists.
When a cop murders a citizen, that is A LOT worse than when a normal citizen murders another citizen. It should be investigated quicker, and the punishment should be harder. Because that cop is not a person at that point, he is representing the power of the state. Cops murdering people threatens the basic concepts that society is based upon, and should be treated especially severely. If this doesn't happen, this needs to be very, very high on the agenda.
And if cops stop murdering people, and there is a trust that if they do, they will get punished like everyone else, you also don't have any problem with riots over cops murdering people anymore.
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On May 31 2020 03:04 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism. I'll offer up a third option. You hate riots and bad reasoning. If I stumbled on a page full of people actively promoting the hurting of innocents by the police I'd probably say something about that as well. Abuse of power by the police is bad. Riots are bad. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how emotionally invested you are.
I don’t know why you’re making an equivalence between the two.
Abuse of power by the police force is done by people in a position of power and is proactive behaviour.
A riot is always a reactive behaviour. The degree of destruction from a riot is reflective of how much they care about the lives they’re living. It’s that simple, people who feel that have collective ownership of their urban environments don’t destroy them. The police brutality, communities across America being segregated along racial and economic lines and degree of destruction across America go hand in hand.
You can condemn riots all you want but you’re just ignoring the reason why people would even burn down their own city. You don’t see people burning down their own upper middle class suburbs for a reason and it isn’t because they’re more civilised.
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On May 31 2020 03:08 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism. Yeah, that is the thing i cannot understand. If there is a recurring situation where cops murder people, get caught on video, and then walk free because a corrupt justice system never punishes cops, no matter what they do, and then people get angry about that, how can you honestly say that the main problem which requires the most focus here is people getting angry, and not cops murdering people and getting away with it? I simply cannot understand that line of thought. Yes, people getting angry and rioting is bad. But a corrupt justice system which murders the citizens it is supposed to protect, and which is never being held accountable for that is infinitely worse. Especially if that has been going on for decades at the least, and there has been no sign of change whatsoever, and even worse, the people in power don't even recognize that the problem even exists. When a cop murders a citizen, that is A LOT worse than when a normal citizen murders another citizen. It should be investigated quicker, and the punishment should be harder. Because that cop is not a person at that point, he is representing the power of the state. Cops murdering people threatens the basic concepts that society is based upon, and should be treated especially severely. If this doesn't happen, this needs to be very, very high on the agenda. And if cops stop murdering people, and there is a trust that if they do, they will get punished like everyone else, you also don't have any problem with riots over cops murdering people anymore.
Well said...
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In the U.S. schools get shot up, people get murdered by cops and people die due to lack of affordable healthcare. All of this justifies reform. I just don't like the means. I bet you wouldn't either if your livelihood was on the chopping block. Now unless your willing to be a martyr, stop making others a martyr.
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On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism.
The volume inside of this post is a s t r o n o m i c a l.
I think we should reform riots. Might take a couple hundred years, but I hope they get better sooner than later.
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On May 31 2020 03:20 puppykiller wrote:
In the U.S. schools get shot up, people get murdered by cops and people die due to lack of affordable healthcare. All of this justifies reform. I just don't like the means. I bet you wouldn't either if your livelihood was on the chopping block. Now unless your willing to be a martyr, stop making others a martyr.
And guess what? None of these things have had real meaning reform because the means being offered have done nothing.
Cops get sent on paid vacation leave now, the solution to stop schools from getting shot up is to arm teachers and run Cold War era nuclear bomb drills and the solution to the healthcare crisis is to maintain the status quo for as long as possible.
Its like you people seriously think violent riots pop out of thin air because them poors are inherently anti social or something.
On May 31 2020 03:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 02:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote:On May 31 2020 02:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 31 2020 02:17 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 01:14 puppykiller wrote:On May 31 2020 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 31 2020 00:38 Xxio wrote:It's really sad to see how the looting and destruction is impacting local businesses and communities. Sometimes it's the small things, like when Dianne Binns of St. Paul was unable to pick up medication for her daughter. Her words of wisdom: “What are people going to do in those communities when they need those resources? We don’t have many stores as it is. So why are we going to burn down the small business owners who are there for us?” SourceThe sports bar of a firefighter and local coach was looted and burned down. The good news is that 611,000 was raised of a 100,000 fundraiser goal to rebuild. I wonder how much honest, hard-working people will have to pay to fix the mess left by rioting thugs. And this is in a time of business closures, when many people are struggling just to hold on to what they have. "Minnehaha Lake Wine and Spirits has been serving the neighborhood since it was legal to sell alcohol, and run by the same family since 1983. Its vintage neon sign is an icon of the area. News cameras caught the looting of the shop happening early in the evening, and expletives spray painted on the exterior... Town Talk Diner possesses another iconic sign of the area, and has been a small family-run restaurant since 2016. This morning, the words, “Kill Cops,” are visible spray-painted on the front door, under the iconic sign. The restaurant had its windows smashed, interior looted, and chairs and tables strewn about." Source. Many more cases in the article. Those innocent victims of these riots should be furious that it has come to this through years of peaceful protests being ignored. Why don't you burn your own house and store rather than elect members of your community as targets for your demonstration. Why do you get to choose who suffers. What a disgusting and self-righteous mindset. It's like you can't even hear your own words. Disgusting and self righteous! Nice If you only you were that furious about the murder that happened the other day. These things are not inherently related though. You can be furious about abuse of power by the police without resorting to ruining the life of some unrelated and innocent shop owner. If I were the shop owner, I'd be fucking furious about someone vandalizing my shop, regardless of whether or not I sympathise with the cause. The short of it is that rioting will always hurt the innocent and should therefore not be applauded. It seems more and more likely that the damage caused to our community in the Twin Cities has been largely instigated by out-of-town or out-of-state white supremacists, anarchists, etc. Riot condemning posts just expose shitty people that care more about property and their comfort than justice, racism, facts, or moral accountability. Parsing the issues of culpability raised by collective actions like demonstrating and rioting is a moral litmus test of sorts imo, a fairly reliable one too I think the current situation can be summed up quite easily: If you feel the need to say/post the following while this is going on and justice still hasn't been met: 1) "not all cops!" or "I support good cops!" 2) condemn the rioting in any way that tries to put culpability on or otherwise cheapen the protests against George Floyd's death then you are part of the problem and you are harboring some deep-seated racism. The volume inside of this post is a s t r o n o m i c a l. I think we should reform riots. Might take a couple hundred years, but I hope they get better sooner than later.
I think riot reformation wouldn’t take that long. Just only allow them to happen 100 miles away from any place with a population larger than 50 people. It would limit the inconvenience and harm to innocents.
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