US Politics Mega-thread - Page 1230

On March 21 2019 21:44 Gorgonoth wrote:
I think you guys severely underestimate that such a big factor with why trump won is because people had a deep seated hatred for Hillary. It’s far more common among conservatives for people to say “I wasn’t crazy about him, but I sure as hell wasnt going to let Hillary in and that’s what will happen if I don’t vote for him.” Also the idea that he has accomplished nothing is ridiculous. Sure he’s failed on some big issues, but he got conservative judges in, pulled out of TPP, Syria. Cut taxes. Those aren’t small things to a lot of people I talk to about this on a regular basis.

On March 21 2019 16:27 oBlade wrote:

That wouldn't be advisable, as far as I know that guy still had no visible disability so this is a negative ad that people have turned into an urban truth just by endless repetition. Kind of weak to stake the outcome of an election on petty old chestnuts like that.

Debate time especially is very limited and it's important to make the right impression. If you remember the VP debate in 2016 people weighed it in favor of Pence after Kaine tried an incessant nagging strategy similar to yours (although part of that may have been wanting to give a consolation prize because the media in general weighed all 3 presidential debates against Trump and right or wrong it looks better to throw them a bone in the VP debate). If that didn't work before he was president imagine how desperate it would look now. "Mr President, I know you've created some jobs, and lost some other jobs, and cut some taxes and also now proposing cuts to entitlements, defeated ISIS but not gotten us out of Syria or Afghanistan, but what I want to talk about is you were mean to a guy in a public feud 5 years ago. The American people's choice is clear." Voters don't actually want to be talked down to or like beating dead horses.

People need substance to motivate them especially moving uphill against incumbent advantage. They want issues. The problem is people who have the best chances against Trump are not the same group that's likely to win the primary, because they tend not to be DNC favorites, it's the problem Bernie had and probably now Yang will have. As I don't see Bernie doing as well as last time in a less bipolar field with more progressives close to him, thanks to the effect he had on moving people on the issues already.

There is another strategic conundrum, which is that if you wanted to alienate Trump's base from him, like for example asking where the wall is and so on and blahblah he failed his core voters, that would make moderates realize his appeal because he didn't do all the terrible hated things it was claimed would be so awful.

On March 21 2019 22:21 brian wrote:
all oblade is telling you is what you already knew, it doesn’t matter to his supporters because the facts are whatever trump and fox news says they are. the man has no obvious disability.

On March 21 2019 22:27 On_Slaught wrote:


Ah, so this is the whole dont believe what you see or hear part Trump spoke of. Fair enough.

Regardless, while obviously it isnt the only thing you address, calling him out for the low character person he is should play well with independents who arent bound by some blood pact to accept everything he says as true or acceptable.

On March 21 2019 21:59 On_Slaught wrote:


The guy has no visible disability? Really?

https://twitter.com/NegarMortazavi/status/670069853399752704

Now of course there is plausible deniability on Trumps side since he claims he was just mocking the person like they were groveling. Plus he has done similar hand motions for for other people who he wanted to imply were basically retarded (in the stereotypical sense). However there are a few problems with that defense.

First and foremost he has KNOWN THE REPORTER FOR YEARS. As a reporter at the Daily News back in the 80s and 90s, he was on a first name basis with Trump covering his real estate. Trump obsessed over the media and would know who he was working with. Further, his disability makes him even more memorable.

On top of that, I suppose it's just a coincidence that right before he launched into the "mocking" part that Trump said: "Now the poor guy... you've got to see this guy." Just a coincidence, sure.

This shit is so right wing. Just like the white supremacist ok sign, it's all about plausible deniability and dog whistling. Trump knew he would discuss the man before hand (he brought an article) so I wouldn't put it past him to have planned this.

I suppose the final question is does anybody really put it past Trump to do something like this? Is it in his character to mock someone's disability? We all know the answer is "duh."

And past all that, even if he wasnt mocking the disability of someone he knows, then instead he is just using the stereotypical "durr im retarded" act. Much better. So presidential.

Overall Trump is a low character individual. I sent see nothing wrong with using that line of attack, especially given how easy it is (just look at the McCain stuff - it plays horribly). That kind of stuff has worked well with turning off independents in particular I feel.

On March 21 2019 21:56 Gorgonoth wrote:

Completely false. The amount of conservative media which hated trump during the primaries decided to push for him citing things like the Supreme Court and pro life issues is staggering. People really hated Hillary and put aside their dislike for trump and chose what they thought of as the lesser of two evils.

On March 21 2019 23:31 Gorgonoth wrote:


On essentially all of those issues I know that you think they are losses, but his supporters don’t. They view the fact that he pulled out of those deals and did cut taxes(regardless of how effective they were) as promised made and kept. I was misinformed on Syria I admit, he just reduced troop totals instead of the withdrawal I expected. And with point 5, it doesn’t really matter to people why the economy is doing well, the fact that it is somehow makes it very hard to best trump IMO. I am just tired of the conception that people that will back trump in 2020 are brainwashed racists. To them Trump has accomplished allot, and the fact that he has no manners or sense of decency on twitter isn’t viewed the same way as you view it. No one thought he was going to be an eloquent orator and a noble guy. He’s a slime ball sure. But he has accomplished things that many conservatives and republicans are happy about. I think he has a very high chance of getting re-elected unless the economy ranks hard. Sorry for rambling posts I can’t keep up with your guys posting frequency.

On March 21 2019 20:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
If moderates vote for trump in the coming election, they weren't moderates to begin with. There is no policy he has achieved while in office, to warrant them giving him another go. This next election should be a landslide for the den candidate