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On March 21 2019 05:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Trumps petty squabbles extend so far as for him to wish death upon his foes. He also said when McCain got his cancer that he wished him well and he was a "crusty old voice in washington."
This is trumps slightly veiled way of speaking, and in this case it consists of wishing death upon his foe. In the case of McCain, the most biting personal insults available to trump were (1) POWs arent war heroes and (2) McCain would soon die. Trump has a deep, deep mental sickness. It really needs to be appreciated for how gross it is.
It’s weird that he went to a funeral expecting gratitude from the deceased. Or from the family of a man he’d spent so much time publicly disrespecting for that matter.
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The weak responses from most Republicans, many of whom were friends with McCain, is the best possible example of their cowardness and capitulation to tribalism. This man was your fucking friend, and you pussyfoot around as he is dragged through the mud only months after his death? McConnell wouldn't even mention Trump in his statement. Its like when Cruz bowed to Trump only months after Trump insulted both his wife and father.
They should all be responding with as much anger as Sen Isakson.
Edit: To be clear I have no problem besmirching the dead (case in point: Scalia). However, of all people I expect his friends to defend him against attacks. Especially bullshit and untrue attacks.
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Anything that can keep people from voting for Trump is a good thing. There are some very fragile alliances in the Republican party, and Trump can easily lose control if too many voters and Senators have enough.
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On March 21 2019 06:03 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 05:52 Doodsmack wrote:Trumps petty squabbles extend so far as for him to wish death upon his foes. He also said when McCain got his cancer that he wished him well and he was a "crusty old voice in washington." This is trumps slightly veiled way of speaking, and in this case it consists of wishing death upon his foe. In the case of McCain, the most biting personal insults available to trump were (1) POWs arent war heroes and (2) McCain would soon die. Trump has a deep, deep mental sickness. It really needs to be appreciated for how gross it is. https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1108454706127532037 Remember how defensive of John McCain Republicans used to be? Old accomplished POW Republican brought a tear to their eyes. And without really noticing how or why, they ended up hating him because their chest beating leader told them to.
The funny thing is, Trump doesn't even understand the life of the person he's attacking. Regardless of how he carried himself, McCain actually served in the military. He was tortured, even. I won't argue he was some kind of angel, but compared to coughbonespurscough shit got a hell of a lot more real in McCain's world.
Meanwhile, Trump berates him publicly for months, and wonders why he didn't get a Thank You for not attending his funeral. What a fucknut.
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On March 21 2019 06:04 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 05:52 Doodsmack wrote:Trumps petty squabbles extend so far as for him to wish death upon his foes. He also said when McCain got his cancer that he wished him well and he was a "crusty old voice in washington." This is trumps slightly veiled way of speaking, and in this case it consists of wishing death upon his foe. In the case of McCain, the most biting personal insults available to trump were (1) POWs arent war heroes and (2) McCain would soon die. Trump has a deep, deep mental sickness. It really needs to be appreciated for how gross it is. https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1108454706127532037 It’s weird that he went to a funeral expecting gratitude from the deceased. Or from the family of a man he’d spent so much time publicly disrespecting for that matter.
iirc he was not invited to the funeral.
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On March 21 2019 08:14 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 06:04 KwarK wrote:On March 21 2019 05:52 Doodsmack wrote:Trumps petty squabbles extend so far as for him to wish death upon his foes. He also said when McCain got his cancer that he wished him well and he was a "crusty old voice in washington." This is trumps slightly veiled way of speaking, and in this case it consists of wishing death upon his foe. In the case of McCain, the most biting personal insults available to trump were (1) POWs arent war heroes and (2) McCain would soon die. Trump has a deep, deep mental sickness. It really needs to be appreciated for how gross it is. https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1108454706127532037 It’s weird that he went to a funeral expecting gratitude from the deceased. Or from the family of a man he’d spent so much time publicly disrespecting for that matter. iirc he was not invited to the funeral. Correct.
Which makes sense all things considered and means that his narcissism needs to invent reasons why he wasn't welcome when other Presidents were while still being the best and greatest.
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On March 21 2019 08:14 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 06:04 KwarK wrote:On March 21 2019 05:52 Doodsmack wrote:Trumps petty squabbles extend so far as for him to wish death upon his foes. He also said when McCain got his cancer that he wished him well and he was a "crusty old voice in washington." This is trumps slightly veiled way of speaking, and in this case it consists of wishing death upon his foe. In the case of McCain, the most biting personal insults available to trump were (1) POWs arent war heroes and (2) McCain would soon die. Trump has a deep, deep mental sickness. It really needs to be appreciated for how gross it is. https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1108454706127532037 It’s weird that he went to a funeral expecting gratitude from the deceased. Or from the family of a man he’d spent so much time publicly disrespecting for that matter. iirc he was not invited to the funeral.
But Obama was.
I bet Trump fails to see the message in that, and only sees that he wasn't on the list.
I love how he claims to be loyal when he's turned on and betrayed basically everyone he's hired and claimed to like over the last two years, and Michael Cohen who was his lawyer for an awfully long time.
Loyalty doesn't end the second someone stops being useful to you. That isn't what loyalty is.
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Whoever runs against Trump in 2020 needs to use the GWB "restoring honor and dignity to the Oval Office" line.
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On March 21 2019 10:08 Doodsmack wrote:
Whoever runs against Trump in 2020 needs to use the GWB "restoring honor and dignity to the Oval Office" line.
I also want them to remind everyone regularly of that time Trump mocked a reporters disability. I'd bring it up at every debate. Fun times.
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MAGA Twitter is turning on McCain faster than Trump can think of a new lie. He is now known as "Songbird McCain," apparently, because he divulged some info while being tortured in Vietnam.
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I doubt any of them know what real torture and pain is. One of the things they teach you during interrogation training in Special Forces is that everyone has a breaking point. A couple of broken small bones later (which they're allowed to do because you signed the papers) and most will be singing in no time, whether it be truth or lies, just to get the pain to stop.
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On March 21 2019 10:40 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 10:08 Doodsmack wrote:
Whoever runs against Trump in 2020 needs to use the GWB "restoring honor and dignity to the Oval Office" line. I also want them to remind everyone regularly of that time Trump mocked a reporters disability. I'd bring it up at every debate. Fun times.
That wouldn't be advisable, as far as I know that guy still had no visible disability so this is a negative ad that people have turned into an urban truth just by endless repetition. Kind of weak to stake the outcome of an election on petty old chestnuts like that.
Debate time especially is very limited and it's important to make the right impression. If you remember the VP debate in 2016 people weighed it in favor of Pence after Kaine tried an incessant nagging strategy similar to yours (although part of that may have been wanting to give a consolation prize because the media in general weighed all 3 presidential debates against Trump and right or wrong it looks better to throw them a bone in the VP debate). If that didn't work before he was president imagine how desperate it would look now. "Mr President, I know you've created some jobs, and lost some other jobs, and cut some taxes and also now proposing cuts to entitlements, defeated ISIS but not gotten us out of Syria or Afghanistan, but what I want to talk about is you were mean to a guy in a public feud 5 years ago. The American people's choice is clear." Voters don't actually want to be talked down to or like beating dead horses.
People need substance to motivate them especially moving uphill against incumbent advantage. They want issues. The problem is people who have the best chances against Trump are not the same group that's likely to win the primary, because they tend not to be DNC favorites, it's the problem Bernie had and probably now Yang will have. As I don't see Bernie doing as well as last time in a less bipolar field with more progressives close to him, thanks to the effect he had on moving people on the issues already.
There is another strategic conundrum, which is that if you wanted to alienate Trump's base from him, like for example asking where the wall is and so on and blahblah he failed his core voters, that would make moderates realize his appeal because he didn't do all the terrible hated things it was claimed would be so awful.
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You can't alienate people that (still, arguably ever) support Trump. Its just not possible, Trump tries to do it himself again and again and they happily it their shitsandwiches day in day out.
You say issues matter? Why would they suddenly? They didn't for at least 3 years (arguably way longer). The crap that Trump ran on weren't issues, it was slopily pressed out shit that tons of morons were eager to smear themselves with.
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On March 21 2019 17:19 Velr wrote:
You can't alienate people that (still, arguably ever) support Trump. Its just not possible, Trump tries to do it himself again and again and they happily it their shitsandwiches day in day out.
You say issues matter? Why would they suddenly? They didn't for at least 3 years (arguably way longer). The crap that Trump ran on weren't issues, it was slopily pressed out shit that tons of morons were eager to smear themselves with.
You very much can, if you've paid any attention to disaffected rust belt voters asking where their jobs still are or conservative media trying to make sense of the president's lose the house -> government shutdown -> nat'l emergency wall strategy, you can find these stories in both sides of the media, did you miss Ann Coulter calling the president an idiot?
If you stop talking about feces for a second you'd realize what you're saying isn't internally consistent. If you don't have a compelling message to motivate the electorate, if Democrats were to shy away from issues in 2020 again it will be a tacit admission that they can't compete with results, and if the president is such an excrement expert as you claim it would be foolhardy to try to outplay him at his own game when he has a home field advantage.
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I think you can absolutely make a case to both his base and the moderates: Trump wanted to build the wall. Very badly. He's just an utterly incompetent herpaderp who can't hold a thought long enough to make it actually happen.
Add on his corruption vs drain the swamp, and a whole list of foreign policy fuckups, ranging from "NK is denuclearizing" vs NK ramping up for renewed nuclear testing, to cancelling TPP into "NATO allies gotta pay up", or the whole getting out of Syria.
Add on a few quotes about Obama golfing with some footage of him playing golf the day the government shut down and I think you can very easily paint a (truthful) picture of a callous, incompetent, clueless asshole in the Whitehouse, who just didn't care enough to make any headway at all on any of his campaign promises.
People who voted him out of some kind of racist sentiment, or who voted him to stack the courts with conservative judges will clearly vote for him again.
Of course, the Democrats also have to put up someone who will be better than all that. But I don't see the problem of showing both his base and the moderates that he was completely incompetent.
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If moderates vote for trump in the coming election, they weren't moderates to begin with. There is no policy he has achieved while in office, to warrant them giving him another go. This next election should be a landslide for the den candidate
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On March 21 2019 20:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
If moderates vote for trump in the coming election, they weren't moderates to begin with. There is no policy he has achieved while in office, to warrant them giving him another go. This next election should be a landslide for the den candidate
The last election should have been a landslide for the dems.
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On March 21 2019 20:25 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 20:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
If moderates vote for trump in the coming election, they weren't moderates to begin with. There is no policy he has achieved while in office, to warrant them giving him another go. This next election should be a landslide for the den candidate The last election should have been a landslide for the dems.
2018 pretty much a landslide.
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On March 21 2019 20:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 20:25 Sermokala wrote:On March 21 2019 20:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
If moderates vote for trump in the coming election, they weren't moderates to begin with. There is no policy he has achieved while in office, to warrant them giving him another go. This next election should be a landslide for the den candidate The last election should have been a landslide for the dems. 2018 pretty much a landslide.
The president wasn't running then, and he's the most important one to beat.
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