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JimmiC
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
This has nothing to do with the president and certainly nothing to do with the White House,” Sanders said on CNN. “This is something that has to do solely with that individual.” Flat earth level of denial lol On January 26 2019 01:35 Mohdoo wrote: The_idiots has been so fun to read. They are all saying because he only got arrested for witness tampering and lying, and not "collusion", it means there was no collusion. Completely ignoring the fact....that's what he lied about lmao 'Process crime' is the new hype. The 'witch hunt' investigation made him testify and lie under oath, if there would have not been an investigation then he wouldn't have lied under oath so therefore he's not a bad guy, it's 'just a process crime', could happen to anyone!. I mean he just denied communicating with someone that he literally sent 30 texts to the same day, a clear perjury trap /s | ||
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Plansix
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JimmiC
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4384 Posts
CNN reports as much, it seems the figure is now 7 billion for the wall. https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html?r=https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ | ||
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JimmiC
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 26 2019 03:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: He can try. It will be instantly challenged in the courts and most experts do not like its chances. Congress control the purse and the national emergencies act wasn't made so the President can bypass that authority. He can declare a state of national emergency anytime and use military funds to pay for the wall.The military budget is 750 billion so the money is clearly there.The goal of dragging out the shutdown is just to show how weak the dems are on border security.Probably just throw a few more barbs at the weak border dems during the SOTU watched by 40 million then do the state of emergency in the following days after that. CNN reports as much, it seems the figure is now 7 billion for the wall. https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html?r=https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ | ||
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Gorsameth
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On January 26 2019 03:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So in a few years the next Democratic President can declare a National Emergency over school shooting and take away your guns?He can declare a state of national emergency anytime and use military funds to pay for the wall.The military budget is 750 billion so the money is clearly there.The goal of dragging out the shutdown is just to show how weak the dems are on border security.Probably just throw a few more barbs at the weak border dems during the SOTU watched by 40 million then do the state of emergency in the following days after that. CNN reports as much, it seems the figure is now 7 billion for the wall. https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html?r=https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ Glad we have established that the president is allowed to declare a state of emergency whenever he wants over whatever he wants. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I also love his proclomations of how he wont testiy against Trump (he really wants that pardon). He seems to think that Mueller actually needs his testimony and that as long as he doesnt flip Trump is fine. Ofc he is ignoring the troves of receipts Mueller has based on this and other indictments. I'd pay money to see his reaction when he realizes no pardon is coming. Here was his reaction today (yes he is going full Nixon). He looked giddy today, like he is excited to be indicted. I know he is a Nixon fanboi, tattoo and all, but then irony is enough to choke on. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
The hell is going on with these likely PBU accounts spamming the same wall. Someone really that upset? | ||
KwarK
United States43604 Posts
On January 26 2019 03:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: He can declare a state of national emergency anytime and use military funds to pay for the wall.The military budget is 750 billion so the money is clearly there.The goal of dragging out the shutdown is just to show how weak the dems are on border security.Probably just throw a few more barbs at the weak border dems during the SOTU watched by 40 million then do the state of emergency in the following days after that. CNN reports as much, it seems the figure is now 7 billion for the wall. https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html?r=https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ It’s not a feasible project. You’d have to forcibly take a bunch of land from Texas farmers who need access to the river which is where the border is. | ||
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dalakak
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farvacola
United States18854 Posts
On January 26 2019 03:28 PhoenixVoid wrote: There's a Trump message expected to be on the shutdown at 1:30 EST, and the word is Trump will be giving temporary funding without wall money. With McConnell panicking right now apparently and the Dem bill having a few defections from the Republicans, they might be seeing the writing on the wall and taking the hit to the chin for now. I hope this turns out! | ||
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urugugul
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 26 2019 03:22 Kilimnik wrote: Pretty sure nobody from the Trump campaign is going to be arrested specifically for willful collusion with Russians though. Just look at this list here and then read all the linked articles in detail: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-trump-charges.html As well as the indictments on Manafort: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/full-text-paul-manafort-indictment-244307 I'll summarize, since nobody will do that. There is literally no one who has been arrested or indicted for Trump campaign collusion with Russians on election fraud. The closest you come to "collusion with Russia" is Richard Pinedo who's some random fraudster that unwittingly sold some online identities to a Russian company that had an online meme presence (some of which were election related). He's got no connection to Trump, though--or Mueller would have found it, I'm sure. George Papadopoulos talked to the feds about Joseph Mifsud who has some connections to Russia and minimized something or other--Mifsud said he spoke with the FBI before he left the USA, but the FBI said they would've wanted to talk to Mifsud some more if Papadopoulos had been more upfront. He only got a 14 day sentence for that, so that doesn't seem all that significant. It's possible there's a string to unthread here, but it would lead far away from the Trump campaign. I'm sure Mueller would have found financial ties between Papadopoulos and Joseph Mifsud if they had been there. Manafort was indicted for acting as a foreign agent for Ukraine. Within the Party of Region, the pro-Russia party, that's true, but he came to the US asking for US support to prevent Ukraine from going with Russia--which is acting as a foreign agent and he didn't register for that. In Ukraine he was known as a "CIA agent" because he pushed for Exxon Mobile and Chevron and tried to push Yakanuvych towards the West (which is basically confirmed by the nature of the indictment). That Konstantin Kilimnik worked for the International Republican Institute for 10 years, a CIA-funded operation head by John McCain for much longer than that. The same McCain that was protesting at Euromaidan. That sure sounds like a Russian operation to me, doesn't it? Lol. Michael Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador AFTER the election so that's a big ol' ball of nothing when it comes to Russian collusion to get Trump elected. And Stone isn't even indicted for any of his actual (rather pointless, as Wikileaks basically told him to fuck off) communications with Wikileaks. Just about lying to the feds and being a prick to that Credico character. Nor was there any transfer of files between him and Wikileaks, or the Russians for that matter. The rest is just financial crimes and false statements. There's just no actual evidence of Russian collusion between Trump and Russia. Even this guy in the Washington Post seems to say that's SIMPLY Trump's attitude and his (utterly empty, imo) words that make him suspicious--the policies towards Russia are actually harsher than Obama. But, you know, keep on living in your blind narrow little worlds of limited information as presented to you by superficial intake of narrative-driven media. Perhaps you can imagine, based on the past two years of "walls closing in" and "bombshells," how conservatives that bought Trump's birther bullshit felt during those first two years. It's a fucking delusional world out there with all the people believing Trump and Russia are acting in cahoots in any way. Oh yeah, and apparently Mike Pence had a little call with someone in Venezuela. Wholesome stuff happening there, I'm sure. I'm all for a new election to see what the people of Venezuela want, but why not just try to get people to vote in the first place, rather than lead a disorganized opposition protest campaign? Either way, sanctions and opposition funding in other countries is never the answer. Let people decide for themselves. This whole thing is turning into yet another proxy war between the US and Russia. But yeah, collusion, I'm sure. First off: collusion isn't a crime and not something the investigators are looking into. However receiving material support to win an election, like dirt on your opponent, from a foreign goverment, is a crime. Planning or attempting to received material support from a foreign power would be conspiracy to commit a crime. Now, on top of all the other things, the Trump administration also changed the DOJs rules on handing out security clearances to family members on 1/20/2017 and then assure Trumps kids and Son in law would have access to the US secrets. All while the president violates the emoluments clause from day one. So clearly, long time members of the Justice Department or FBI already had their eyebrows raised the moment Trump took office. Because the only reason someone does that is if they want to do shady shit. So when people say there was no collusion between Trump and Russia, they sort of don't understand the finer details of the case. Because the investigation was never about that. The investigation is to see if Russia, through their efforts to influence the outcome of the election, ever contacted members of the Trump campaign. And Trumps team has been filled with such a cavalcade of grifters and dumb-asses they can't obey the Stringer Bell Rule. When the people getting charged are dumber that a punchline in a HBO series about crime, it is hard to think what is happening is bullshit. Because it is pretty easy to see that they are just dumb enough to accept help from Russia and think it was totally legal or they could get away with it. Edit: Oh, look a brand new user that just jumped right to the US Pol thread. Welcome back PBU. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On January 26 2019 03:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: He can declare a state of national emergency anytime and use military funds to pay for the wall.The military budget is 750 billion so the money is clearly there.The goal of dragging out the shutdown is just to show how weak the dems are on border security.Probably just throw a few more barbs at the weak border dems during the SOTU watched by 40 million then do the state of emergency in the following days after that. CNN reports as much, it seems the figure is now 7 billion for the wall. https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html?r=https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ He can declare it anytime, meaning he doesn't need to declare it yet? Doesn't sound like a very compelling emergency. Why is he risking our safety and security by waiting until two years into his term to deal with the emergency? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On January 26 2019 03:29 dalakak wrote: Pretty sure nobody from the Trump campaign is going to be arrested specifically for willful collusion with Russians though. Just look at this list here and then read all the linked articles in detail: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-trump-charges.html As well as the indictments on Manafort: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/full-text-paul-manafort-indictment-244307 I'll summarize, since nobody will do that. There is literally no one who has been arrested or indicted for Trump campaign collusion with Russians on election fraud. The closest you come to "collusion with Russia" is Richard Pinedo who's some random fraudster that unwittingly sold some online identities to a Russian company that had an online meme presence (some of which were election related). He's got no connection to Trump, though--or Mueller would have found it, I'm sure. George Papadopoulos talked to the feds about Joseph Mifsud who has some connections to Russia and minimized something or other--Mifsud said he spoke with the FBI before he left the USA, but the FBI said they would've wanted to talk to Mifsud some more if Papadopoulos had been more upfront. He only got a 14 day sentence for that, so that doesn't seem all that significant. It's possible there's a string to unthread here, but it would lead far away from the Trump campaign. I'm sure Mueller would have found financial ties between Papadopoulos and Joseph Mifsud if they had been there. Manafort was indicted for acting as a foreign agent for Ukraine. Within the Party of Region, the pro-Russia party, that's true, but he came to the US asking for US support to prevent Ukraine from going with Russia--which is acting as a foreign agent and he didn't register for that. In Ukraine he was known as a "CIA agent" because he pushed for Exxon Mobile and Chevron and tried to push Yakanuvych towards the West (which is basically confirmed by the nature of the indictment). That Konstantin Kilimnik worked for the International Republican Institute for 10 years, a CIA-funded operation head by John McCain for much longer than that. The same McCain that was protesting at Euromaidan. That sure sounds like a Russian operation to me, doesn't it? Lol. Michael Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador AFTER the election so that's a big ol' ball of nothing when it comes to Russian collusion to get Trump elected. And Stone isn't even indicted for any of his actual (rather pointless, as Wikileaks basically told him to fuck off) communications with Wikileaks. Just about lying to the feds and being a prick to that Credico character. Nor was there any transfer of files between him and Wikileaks, or the Russians for that matter. The rest is just financial crimes and false statements. There's just no actual evidence of Russian collusion between Trump and Russia. Even this guy in the Washington Post seems to say that's SIMPLY Trump's attitude and his (utterly empty, imo) words that make him suspicious--the policies towards Russia are actually harsher than Obama. But, you know, keep on living in your blind narrow little worlds of limited information as presented to you by superficial intake of narrative-driven media. Perhaps you can imagine, based on the past two years of "walls closing in" and "bombshells," how conservatives that bought Trump's birther bullshit felt during those first two years. It's a fucking delusional world out there with all the people believing Trump and Russia are acting in cahoots in any way. Oh yeah, and apparently Mike Pence had a little call with someone in Venezuela. Wholesome stuff happening there, I'm sure. I'm all for a new election to see what the people of Venezuela want, but why not just try to get people to vote in the first place, rather than lead a disorganized opposition protest campaign? Either way, sanctions and opposition funding in other countries is never the answer. Let people decide for themselves. This whole thing is turning into yet another proxy war between the US and Russia. But yeah, collusion, I'm sure. Account made today. How interesting. Wonder who is hiding. Also, saving this post for later. Thank you, I'll add this to the same pile that has people saying there's no way the Trump tower meeting even happened months ago. Truly, thank you. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On January 26 2019 03:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: He can declare a state of national emergency anytime and use military funds to pay for the wall.The military budget is 750 billion so the money is clearly there.The goal of dragging out the shutdown is just to show how weak the dems are on border security.Probably just throw a few more barbs at the weak border dems during the SOTU watched by 40 million then do the state of emergency in the following days after that. CNN reports as much, it seems the figure is now 7 billion for the wall. https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html?r=https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ He can declare it anytime, meaning he doesn't need to declare it yet? Doesn't sound like a very compelling emergency. Why is he risking our safety and security by waiting until two years into his term to deal with the emergency? " Nettles was being unusually honest in the highlighted line. That is the point. The point was political theater. All the premises, factual claims, and assertions about the necessity of the border wall have always been theater to motivate the base. If the base gave a damn about the details they would ask. Only Libs care and they only care because they are foolishly taking the premises, factual claims, and assertions as if they are offered in good faith. They aren't! There is no point to engaging in any factual discussion of the costs, benefits, challenges, timelines, constitutionality, etc. with regard to THE WALL. They even copped to THE WALL being an idea of border security a few weeks ago. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
If some scum like Hannity or Coulter called him after seeing those reports earlier today, then he may be getting cold feet about letting Pelosi beat him again and pissing off the base (which started this whole charade). | ||
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