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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 23 2019 21:00 GMT
#21121
On January 24 2019 05:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't think I understand why McConnell wouldn't want SOTU in Senate

Why get in the middle of a fist fight when you don’t care about the outcome?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
January 23 2019 21:02 GMT
#21122
His saving grace has been his ability to keep the Senate out of the spotlight. The day he agrees to let Trump break tradition and give the SotU in the Senate is the day his bootlicking becomes impossible to avoid.

Then again, maybe he’s got an exit in mind. His lack of scruples makes him a shifty figure and far more dangerous than Trump.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 23 2019 21:05 GMT
#21123
BTW the NYT Magazine wrote a really long piece on McConnell yesterday. The guy has a really perverse world view. He really does see himself as the hero in all this. I'd recommend reading it if you have time.

It's called "Mitch McConnell got everything he wanted. But at what cost?"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-23 21:26:40
January 23 2019 21:20 GMT
#21124
I could imagine that it would be a real shit show. Trump would just walk into the house and do it regardless of what happens. But I could see the supreme court not being there as well as most of the seats being empty. Pelosi wouldn't be there and she can probably order the sergeant at arms to cause a fuss at the very least. The entire unofficial process of the SOTU would break down and it would just look like a huge shit show.

The worst thing the dems could do is to make it really quiet. Make it a historical note that trump couldn't pull off an event that even in the darkest depths of bush both sides unanimously gathered for.

Imagine people just not giving a shit. AOC showing up with a tablet and live commentating it on twitch. Awkward old men wearing hoodies and empty seats. People just having lunch and doing paperwork while Republicans attempt to pick on on what ques they're supposed to stand and clap for.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 23 2019 21:20 GMT
#21125
On January 24 2019 04:50 farvacola wrote:
A good move on her part, now we’ll see how Trump reacts. It won’t be pretty I’d bet lol. I also still think there’s no chance McConnell let’s him do it in the Senate.

I'm guessing something like "I'm uninvited? Yeah, well, I didn't even want to go anway." with a handful of Trumpisms and randomly CAPITALIZED words.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32761 Posts
January 23 2019 21:24 GMT
#21126
He moved on to an "alternative" event for his SOTU, whatever that means.

https://apnews.com/5f5ea8a5a3274ec390ad415e10cdd92d?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
January 23 2019 21:28 GMT
#21127
On January 24 2019 06:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:
He moved on to an "alternative" event for his SOTU, whatever that means.

https://apnews.com/5f5ea8a5a3274ec390ad415e10cdd92d?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

Man this is going to be so much worse then what I'm thinking it will be and I can't wait.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-23 21:31:52
January 23 2019 21:31 GMT
#21128
On January 24 2019 06:05 On_Slaught wrote:
BTW the NYT Magazine wrote a really long piece on McConnell yesterday. The guy has a really perverse world view. He really does see himself as the hero in all this. I'd recommend reading it if you have time.

It's called "Mitch McConnell got everything he wanted. But at what cost?"


I also recommend as a companion piece, The Man Who Broke Politics, which profiles Newt and his style of politics. His style was the prototype for what McConnell perfected, using dysfunction to obtain power. It is an interesting background piece and really highlights that the bad faith politics of the current Republicans was always the plan. It just took a decade to blow up all the bipartisan power groups that existed in the House and Senate. But unlike Newt, McConnell has obtained power to achieve a goal, which is to pack the courts. But people sort of have his number now.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/

Also, you have to be an amazingly fucked up person to visit Verdun and come to the conclusion that, and I quote “I(Newt) realized countries can die,”. Like, mother fucker, you in a historical landmark that shows that countries don’t die even in the most destructive of wars. They endure. I know that mother fucker took history, but clearly he failed to grasp the part about how fruitless WW1 was. Or he just likes saying things that sound profound, but are in fact totally off base. Seriously, what sort of cynical mother fucker comes to that conclusion? Newt, the former speaker who loves to talk about natural law and other bullshit to justify his bullshit politics.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-23 21:34:46
January 23 2019 21:33 GMT
#21129
On January 24 2019 06:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:
He moved on to an "alternative" event for his SOTU, whatever that means.

https://apnews.com/5f5ea8a5a3274ec390ad415e10cdd92d?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter


My money is on one of thoss campaign style rallies he loves to have. Been a while since he had one afaik and it does great things for his ego. Probably the best outcome for Dems too since it would delegitimize his speech a fair bit. He tends to go one absurd tangents at those rallies.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 23 2019 21:34 GMT
#21130
If the networks have even the slightest backbone, they shouldn’t carry his fake State of the Union.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-23 21:40:27
January 23 2019 21:39 GMT
#21131
On January 24 2019 06:34 Plansix wrote:
If the networks have even the slightest backbone, they shouldn’t carry his fake State of the Union.


Wont happen. Fox will obviously carry it and ABC/CBS/NBC will cover it to appear fair and not piss off Republicans. CNN and MSNBC will gain nothing by sitting out at that point and will cover at least part of it for the ratings.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 23 2019 21:45 GMT
#21132
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22702 Posts
January 23 2019 22:03 GMT
#21133
On January 24 2019 06:34 Plansix wrote:
If the networks have even the slightest backbone, they shouldn’t carry his fake State of the Union.
Broadcasting mean rating, rating mean money. money is everything.

Ofcourse they will plaster it front and center.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 23 2019 22:05 GMT
#21134
On January 24 2019 07:03 Gorsameth wrote:
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On January 24 2019 06:34 Plansix wrote:
If the networks have even the slightest backbone, they shouldn’t carry his fake State of the Union.
Broadcasting mean rating, rating mean money. money is everything.

Ofcourse they will plaster it front and center.

They don't carry his rallies anymore. Even Fox. They can cover this, but I don’t know if it will really pull in the eyeballs.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
January 23 2019 22:12 GMT
#21135
You can't really monetize the SOTU. OFC the news networks have their pre and post shows but I could easily see a broadcast network skipping it to avoid a shitshow.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 23 2019 22:23 GMT
#21136
Agencies are now being asked to plan through February. Some of them will default on their leases and will face the prospect of commercial eviction. Also FBI agents and anyone with security clearance could lose their job because defaulting on loans and rent can lead to security clearing being denied.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 23 2019 22:28 GMT
#21137
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
January 23 2019 23:23 GMT
#21138
On January 24 2019 07:28 JimmiC wrote:
It is good for socialism that Maduro is out, because he was not a socialist, he was a self serving dictator using socialism as a shield to distract his people from his theft. Him being out doesn't let people say "socialism" doesn't work look at Venezuela. It is much harder to say it doesn't work look at Norway.


Yeah... my prediction is that literally nobody will change their opinion on socialism based on what is or isn't happening in Venezuela :/
No will to live, no wish to die
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 23 2019 23:56 GMT
#21139
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warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
January 24 2019 01:04 GMT
#21140
What Maduro is is a reminder that democratic principles are always more important than political ideology. There are always those on both the left and the right happy to overlook undemocratic moves by leaders of their political color. Lots of people on the left were feeling quite positive about Chavez despite it being clear it was leading to the current state of affairs.
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