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QI had an episode on this a while ago. The banana regulation is a myth created by UK to scare people into voting to leave the EU. There's simply no such rule.
No, that's incorrect. The EU does indeed regulate how bent a banana can be to classify for certain categories. The Euromyth touted by Boris Johnson etc were about a ban on bananas that aren't perfectly bent.
Which, btw, was an actual proposal to the EU commission.
The same goes for cucumbers. They are regulated. The lie is that the Sun etc claimed that fruits/veggies not fitting "A-Class" were banned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth
edit: that being said, i could've made that more clear, fair point.
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"I just wanted bendy bananas and now there's this chaotic inferno of hate"
an innocent brexiteer. probably.
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On January 24 2019 21:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
"I just wanted bendy bananas and now there's this chaotic inferno of hate"
an innocent brexiteer. probably.
And that is my message to the under-35s of Brexit Britain.
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On January 24 2019 20:10 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2019 18:28 Wegandi wrote:On January 24 2019 06:31 Plansix wrote:On January 24 2019 06:05 On_Slaught wrote:
BTW the NYT Magazine wrote a really long piece on McConnell yesterday. The guy has a really perverse world view. He really does see himself as the hero in all this. I'd recommend reading it if you have time.
It's called "Mitch McConnell got everything he wanted. But at what cost?" I also recommend as a companion piece, The Man Who Broke Politics, which profiles Newt and his style of politics. His style was the prototype for what McConnell perfected, using dysfunction to obtain power. It is an interesting background piece and really highlights that the bad faith politics of the current Republicans was always the plan. It just took a decade to blow up all the bipartisan power groups that existed in the House and Senate. But unlike Newt, McConnell has obtained power to achieve a goal, which is to pack the courts. But people sort of have his number now. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/Also, you have to be an amazingly fucked up person to visit Verdun and come to the conclusion that, and I quote “I(Newt) realized countries can die,”. Like, mother fucker, you in a historical landmark that shows that countries don’t die even in the most destructive of wars. They endure. I know that mother fucker took history, but clearly he failed to grasp the part about how fruitless WW1 was. Or he just likes saying things that sound profound, but are in fact totally off base. Seriously, what sort of cynical mother fucker comes to that conclusion? Newt, the former speaker who loves to talk about natural law and other bullshit to justify his bullshit politics. I understand you're saying this in the context of Verdun, but in the wider context of WWI this is a hysterical statement. I'm sure the Ottomans or Austro-Hungarians knew this truth that you speak of. Were the Ottomans wiped out entirely to the point of extinction, or do we know them today by another name? Same for the Austro-Hungarians.
All those people died and no one lives in the land that was occupied by the Ottomans or Austro-Hungarians. After WW1, they all just dropped dead. Just like Newt said.
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On January 24 2019 18:05 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2019 17:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 24 2019 14:32 Wegandi wrote:On January 24 2019 07:28 JimmiC wrote:
It is good for socialism that Maduro is out, because he was not a socialist, he was a self serving dictator using socialism as a shield to distract his people from his theft. Him being out doesn't let people say "socialism" doesn't work look at Venezuela. It is much harder to say it doesn't work look at Norway. You realize Norway is one of the more capitalistic countries on the planet, right? https://www.heritage.org/index/country/norwayCompare to Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Brazil, etc. It also must be an odd quirk that socialism pretty regularly leads to authoritarian autocrats. I don't seem to remember a poor socialist leader with a country low on the corruption scale. Well so we agree that very high, very orogressive taxation, universal healthcare, extremely high unemployment benefits and so on are not socialism and have nothing to do with Venezuela. That’s good. You just described the US. The people who say "I want Denmark or Norway, etc." are clueless. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/05/americas-taxes-are-the-most-progressive-in-the-world-its-government-is-among-the-least/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.170715bce56chttps://www.economist.com/united-states/2017/11/23/american-taxes-are-unusually-progressive-government-spending-is-notThe US has some of the most progressive taxes in the world, high unemployment benefits, a large welfare state, a large regulatory state, etc. Sure, the US does not have universal healthcare, but programs like Medicare/Medicaid/SCHIP are not far off and cost ridiculous amounts of money. So, please, spare me the B.S. So, sure, let's be like Norway and lower our Corporate tax rates to their level - 25% (it's 35% in the US). I'm sure, you're for that, right? Or how about we de-regulate a lot of our industries (many EU countries have less regulatory burdens than the US). So who is really being disingenuous here?
Here's a pro tip for you. When you provide sources for only half of your claims it makes it look like you just kinda made up the rest of them. Especially when your sources themselves suggest that the other half of your claims are bullshit.
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On January 24 2019 14:51 m4ini wrote:
the nordic model wouldn't work in ethnically/culturally diverse countries
Why?
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The optimist in me thinks that Trump’s willingness to delay the SotU means the end of the shutdown may be in sight, but the reports of multi-month shutdown planning are enough to jolt me back to pessimistic reality lol
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On January 24 2019 23:43 farvacola wrote:
The optimist in me thinks that Trump’s willingness to delay the SotU means the end of the shutdown may be in sight, but the reports of multi-month shutdown planning are enough to jolt me back to pessimistic reality lol
You folks are shutting down next week, right? I feel like once every civil case, bankruptcy and criminal action grinds to a halt it will just add more fuel to the fire. But I don’t know which group caves first, the president or the Senate Republicans.
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Yeah, next Thursday or Friday is when the courts enter phase two and folks start working without pay.
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I've kind of thought of Norway as the high-functioning version of Saudi Arabia and other petrostates. Same wealth, Norway has just put it to much better use providing for its citizens and not committing human rights violations.
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On January 24 2019 18:05 Wegandi wrote:
So, sure, let's be like Norway and lower our Corporate tax rates to their level - 25% (it's 35% in the US). I'm sure, you're for that, right? Or how about we de-regulate a lot of our industries (many EU countries have less regulatory burdens than the US). So who is really being disingenuous here?
The EU has a single regulatory framework and it’s really quite amazing that you’re unaware of it. It’s a common market.
Individual nations within the EU can add to it within their borders but they cannot subtract from it.
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On January 24 2019 23:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2019 20:10 iamthedave wrote:On January 24 2019 18:28 Wegandi wrote:On January 24 2019 06:31 Plansix wrote:On January 24 2019 06:05 On_Slaught wrote:
BTW the NYT Magazine wrote a really long piece on McConnell yesterday. The guy has a really perverse world view. He really does see himself as the hero in all this. I'd recommend reading it if you have time.
It's called "Mitch McConnell got everything he wanted. But at what cost?" I also recommend as a companion piece, The Man Who Broke Politics, which profiles Newt and his style of politics. His style was the prototype for what McConnell perfected, using dysfunction to obtain power. It is an interesting background piece and really highlights that the bad faith politics of the current Republicans was always the plan. It just took a decade to blow up all the bipartisan power groups that existed in the House and Senate. But unlike Newt, McConnell has obtained power to achieve a goal, which is to pack the courts. But people sort of have his number now. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/Also, you have to be an amazingly fucked up person to visit Verdun and come to the conclusion that, and I quote “I(Newt) realized countries can die,”. Like, mother fucker, you in a historical landmark that shows that countries don’t die even in the most destructive of wars. They endure. I know that mother fucker took history, but clearly he failed to grasp the part about how fruitless WW1 was. Or he just likes saying things that sound profound, but are in fact totally off base. Seriously, what sort of cynical mother fucker comes to that conclusion? Newt, the former speaker who loves to talk about natural law and other bullshit to justify his bullshit politics. I understand you're saying this in the context of Verdun, but in the wider context of WWI this is a hysterical statement. I'm sure the Ottomans or Austro-Hungarians knew this truth that you speak of. Were the Ottomans wiped out entirely to the point of extinction, or do we know them today by another name? Same for the Austro-Hungarians. All those people died and no one lives in the land that was occupied by the Ottomans or Austro-Hungarians. After WW1, they all just dropped dead. Just like Newt said.
Well I'm convinced. That Newt must be a genius.
On January 24 2019 23:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2019 23:43 farvacola wrote:
The optimist in me thinks that Trump’s willingness to delay the SotU means the end of the shutdown may be in sight, but the reports of multi-month shutdown planning are enough to jolt me back to pessimistic reality lol You folks are shutting down next week, right? I feel like once every civil case, bankruptcy and criminal action grinds to a halt it will just add more fuel to the fire. But I don’t know which group caves first, the president or the Senate Republicans.
Assuming the reporting's accurate it's starting to feel like Senate Republicans. Trump's getting pissed off with Nancy, and that'll just make him dig in harder.
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On January 25 2019 00:20 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2019 18:05 Wegandi wrote:
So, sure, let's be like Norway and lower our Corporate tax rates to their level - 25% (it's 35% in the US). I'm sure, you're for that, right? Or how about we de-regulate a lot of our industries (many EU countries have less regulatory burdens than the US). So who is really being disingenuous here? The EU has a single regulatory framework and it’s really quite amazing that you’re unaware of it. It’s a common market. Individual nations within the EU can add to it within their borders but they cannot subtract from it.
Only for goods really. The services market is hardly a single market and most developed countries are largely based on services. There's also a large amount of influence nation states have in and outside the regulatory framework. There's a reason why for example the finance industry is largely based in London.
Here's a source for regulatory burden in the world. There are countries in the EU both better and worse than the US.
http://reports.weforum.org/global-competitiveness-index-2017-2018/competitiveness-rankings/#series=EOSQ048
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According to that link, the only countries in the EU with less "burdensome is it for companies to comply with public administration’s requirements" than USA would be Finland and Germany, so to say that "many EU countries have less regulatory burdens than the US" would be completely false based on that metric.
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On January 25 2019 01:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
According to that link, the only countries in the EU with less "burdensome is it for companies to comply with public administration’s requirements" than USA would be Finland and Germany, so to say that "many EU countries have less regulatory burdens than the US" would be completely false based on that metric.
I’m pretty sure german or finnish environmental regulations would be seen as literally Hitler by almost everyone in the GOP.
But Wegandi continues his bad faith crusade. What prompts accusations of socialism by conservatives is mainly social programs, universal healthcare, free education, workers rights and so on. It’s from there they jump on the oh so dumb Venezuela attack, and then refocus on corporate taxes when people answer « yes but I’m rather talking about Denmark? »
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On January 25 2019 00:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
I've kind of thought of Norway as the high-functioning version of Saudi Arabia and other petrostates. Same wealth, Norway has just put it to much better use providing for its citizens and not committing human rights violations.
What about Sweden, Denmark or Finland?
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On January 25 2019 02:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2019 01:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
According to that link, the only countries in the EU with less "burdensome is it for companies to comply with public administration’s requirements" than USA would be Finland and Germany, so to say that "many EU countries have less regulatory burdens than the US" would be completely false based on that metric. I’m pretty sure german or finnish environmental regulations would be seen as literally Hitler by almost everyone in the GOP. But Wegandi continues his bad faith crusade. What prompts accusations of socialism by conservatives is mainly social programs, universal healthcare, free education, workers rights and so on. It’s from there they jump on the oh so dumb Venezuela attack, and then refocus on corporate taxes when people answer « yes but I’m rather talking about Denmark? »
The thing that always confuses me is when people make wild claims about the EU and its laws/regulations when they full blown know that people from the EU use this site.
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The lay offs at Buzz Feed are a bit of a bummer. We are better off with these news organizations than without them. There is a bunch of discussion about how Facebook and Google have such a strangle hold on online ad revenue that they can skim right off the top of any news organization until it is a shallow husk. And because both companies are so far off the government's radar, they have been able to buy up almost all the competition. That combined with the change in regulations over who can own local news papers and local news networks, it is a buying season for a small number of wealthy people snatch up all the ways we receive news.
The only cool part of this dystopican hellscape is that independent book stores are killing it. Because the one thing Amazon cannot do is make browsing books on that website enjoyable.
http://www.phillytrib.com/news/business/independent-bookstores-are-coming-back-in-philly-across-the-u/article_700a8d7e-7ab1-50d9-be1a-276129f39d38.html
Edit: Wilbur Ross is worth $700 million and just told people to take out loans to make up for the lack of a pay check. He might be the single greatest boon to the push for the 70% tax rate for the super wealthy.
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