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It's pretty sad that his plan after the 'amazing' speech was to slam the table and demand that they do his bidding. A dealmaker only by his own boasting of being a dealmaker.
Pelosi bringing the burns lol
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On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers.
I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment.
The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election.
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On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election.
That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings.
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On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings.
But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much.
Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same.
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Except we’re about to enter unprecedented territory in terms of shutdown length, and the negative effects will become exponentially worse as time goes on.
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On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same.
We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on
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On January 10 2019 06:48 farvacola wrote:
Except we’re about to enter unprecedented territory in terms of shutdown length, and the negative effects will become exponentially worse as time goes on.
Trump issuing a veto threat means it's already gg IMO. He's losing support all over the place. It's just a waiting game for pelosi
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On January 10 2019 06:48 farvacola wrote:
Except we’re about to enter unprecedented territory in terms of shutdown length, and the negative effects will become exponentially worse as time goes on.
People seem to forget that 70,000 IRS workers are furloughed and were recalled without pay to process our tax returns. Which is both legally question and super stupid. I don’t work for free and 70,000 workers are going to get real pissed, real fast if they are forced to do so for a long period of time.
When the wheels come off this thing, it is going to suck for everyone.
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On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on
Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists.
Trumps just terrible at his job and the dems have experience with winning shutdowns which is something the gop doesn't have let alone trump not having much experience at all to speak of.
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“And who’s going to pay for it?”
“MEXICO!”
I seem to remember that part spoken repeatedly during the campaign.
When he can get Mexico to pay for the wall, then he can put one up.
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All society is one great story we tell each other over and over again until be we actually believe in our own lies.
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On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists.
The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. Trump offers to reopen the government, which isn't an offer. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose because they are already down.
This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass.
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On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass.
All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose.
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On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose.
Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however.
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I think it's time to put the fortune cookies down.
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On January 10 2019 07:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose. Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however.
Its logical if you need the money and have no other way to get money you need. Do you think Trump is either capable of finding a better way to get his presidency on track or if a path to a decent presidency exists at this point?
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On January 10 2019 08:31 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 07:24 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose. Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however. Its logical if you need the money and have no other way to get money you need. Do you think Trump is either capable of finding a better way to get his presidency on track or if a path to a decent presidency exists at this point?
No. But my main objection wasn’t to your characterization of Trump, but to how Trumps actions are weakening the Democrats. There is little beyond wishful thinking to support that theory.
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remember last summer when trump and schumer/ pelosi had a handshake deal for 25b for the wall in exchange for dreamer protections? but then stephen miller flipped a shit and trump reneged.
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On January 10 2019 08:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
remember last summer when trump and schumer/ pelosi had a handshake deal for 25b for the wall in exchange for dreamer protections? but then stephen miller flipped a shit and trump reneged.
Dude... a year ago? In this Presidency? Who has a memory longer than a few weeks??? Seriously. People who make a living tracking this cavalcade of bullshit can barely keep up.
I feel like I'd need to spend significant time just tracking down all the things Trump has promised he'd do and reneged on. And I'd not even consider touching cataloging his lies.
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On January 09 2019 12:17 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2019 12:03 Wulfey_LA wrote:The Donald speech was a complete waste of everyone's time. Nothing he said maps to reality. His sniffly ramblings about how the wall will makes things more secure are completely bogus. No one should care. But the COLLUSION story is off the charts explosive today! + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +
Both Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, the deputy campaign manager, transferred the data to Mr. Kilimnik in the spring of 2016 as Mr. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination, according to a person knowledgeable about the situation. Most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign, according to the person.
Mr. Manafort asked Mr. Gates to tell Mr. Kilimnik to pass the data to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch who is close to the Kremlin and who has claimed that Mr. Manafort owed him money from a failed business venture, the person said. It is unclear whether Mr. Manafort was acting at the campaign’s behest or independently, trying to gain favor with someone to whom he was deeply in debt.
This isn't something Mueller is alleging. This was an error in redaction by Manafort's attorneys. This is all stuff that Manafort himself swore/admitted was true. This is on the nose COLLUSION. Manafort was passing internal campaign data and working deals with a Russian intelligence asset and directing the data and deals to be passed up the chain to an oligarch whom Manafort owed money. Yeah, the Agalarov summit was also collusion, but damn this is the big stuff. Derispaska isn't some nobody. Read onwards. This guy sits at the table with Putin and in his own words: Deripaska always knew the game he was playing, and at times he has been candid about it. “I don’t separate myself from the state,” he told the FT in 2007. “I have no other interests.” + Show Spoiler +Deripaska always knew the game he was playing, and at times he has been candid about it. “I don’t separate myself from the state,” he told the FT in 2007. “I have no other interests.” And indeed, while he did well by Putin, he has also been quite useful to him. Shortly after the Bush Administration revoked Deripaska’s visa in 2006, allegedly due to his ties to organized crime, he was granted a diplomatic passport by Russia, not just for his own business purposes, but also so that he could represent Russia in the international arena. A U.S. diplomatic cable sent in 2006 noted the dynamic: Deripaska was “among the two to three oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis” and “a more or less permanent fixture on Putin’s trips abroad.” The conversation unearthed by anti-corruption activist and opposition politician Alexei Navalny last year between Deripaska and Deputy Prime Minister Sergey Prikhodko, a top foreign policy advisor to Putin, suggests that Deripaska’s role as a kind of unofficial intermediary remains unchanged. EDIT: more out and out COLLUSION: "If he needs private briefings we can accommodate," Manafort wrote in the July 7, 2016, email, portions of which were read to The Washington Post along with other Manafort correspondence from that time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-offered-to-give-russian-billionaire-private-briefings-on-2016-campaign/2017/09/20/399bba1a-9d48-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.506fa58583f0 It is actual hard evidence of collusion, though there is also the possibility that Manafort was acting on his own out of his own financial interests. He had a long and very close relationship with Deripaska. But there are emails showing that Manafort was explicitly offering to meet with Deripaska to discuss US-Russia policy. If nothing else this shows conclusively that the matter is worth investigating to the fullest extent possible.
The story has been corrected. Manafort shared the data with the intention of getting it into the hands of Ukrainian oligarchs.
To be honest, Ukrainian-Trump collusion makes a lot more sense since Trump has been selling them weapons, much to the annoyance of the Kremlin.
*snickers*
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