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On January 10 2019 09:25 abmhm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2019 12:17 Doodsmack wrote:On January 09 2019 12:03 Wulfey_LA wrote:The Donald speech was a complete waste of everyone's time. Nothing he said maps to reality. His sniffly ramblings about how the wall will makes things more secure are completely bogus. No one should care. But the COLLUSION story is off the charts explosive today! + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +
Both Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, the deputy campaign manager, transferred the data to Mr. Kilimnik in the spring of 2016 as Mr. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination, according to a person knowledgeable about the situation. Most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign, according to the person.
Mr. Manafort asked Mr. Gates to tell Mr. Kilimnik to pass the data to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch who is close to the Kremlin and who has claimed that Mr. Manafort owed him money from a failed business venture, the person said. It is unclear whether Mr. Manafort was acting at the campaign’s behest or independently, trying to gain favor with someone to whom he was deeply in debt.
This isn't something Mueller is alleging. This was an error in redaction by Manafort's attorneys. This is all stuff that Manafort himself swore/admitted was true. This is on the nose COLLUSION. Manafort was passing internal campaign data and working deals with a Russian intelligence asset and directing the data and deals to be passed up the chain to an oligarch whom Manafort owed money. Yeah, the Agalarov summit was also collusion, but damn this is the big stuff. Derispaska isn't some nobody. Read onwards. This guy sits at the table with Putin and in his own words: Deripaska always knew the game he was playing, and at times he has been candid about it. “I don’t separate myself from the state,” he told the FT in 2007. “I have no other interests.” + Show Spoiler +Deripaska always knew the game he was playing, and at times he has been candid about it. “I don’t separate myself from the state,” he told the FT in 2007. “I have no other interests.” And indeed, while he did well by Putin, he has also been quite useful to him. Shortly after the Bush Administration revoked Deripaska’s visa in 2006, allegedly due to his ties to organized crime, he was granted a diplomatic passport by Russia, not just for his own business purposes, but also so that he could represent Russia in the international arena. A U.S. diplomatic cable sent in 2006 noted the dynamic: Deripaska was “among the two to three oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis” and “a more or less permanent fixture on Putin’s trips abroad.” The conversation unearthed by anti-corruption activist and opposition politician Alexei Navalny last year between Deripaska and Deputy Prime Minister Sergey Prikhodko, a top foreign policy advisor to Putin, suggests that Deripaska’s role as a kind of unofficial intermediary remains unchanged. EDIT: more out and out COLLUSION: "If he needs private briefings we can accommodate," Manafort wrote in the July 7, 2016, email, portions of which were read to The Washington Post along with other Manafort correspondence from that time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-offered-to-give-russian-billionaire-private-briefings-on-2016-campaign/2017/09/20/399bba1a-9d48-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.506fa58583f0 It is actual hard evidence of collusion, though there is also the possibility that Manafort was acting on his own out of his own financial interests. He had a long and very close relationship with Deripaska. But there are emails showing that Manafort was explicitly offering to meet with Deripaska to discuss US-Russia policy. If nothing else this shows conclusively that the matter is worth investigating to the fullest extent possible. The story has been corrected. Manafort shared the data with the intention of getting it into the hands of Ukrainian oligarchs. To be honest, Ukrainian-Trump collusion makes a lot more sense since Trump has been selling them weapons, much to the annoyance of the Kremlin. *snickers*
"No, no he didn't give the info to that one Russian stooge, he gave it to those other 2 Russian stooges living in Ukraine via his Russian spy friend. " That makes things so much better!
Still, a pretty big mistake on the NYTs part.
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On January 10 2019 08:31 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 07:24 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Those are the strong numbers you look for supporting the shut down after getting slammed in the most recent election. Only about 50% of republicans support the shut down. Great numbers. I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment. The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose. Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however. Its logical if you need the money and have no other way to get money you need. Do you think Trump is either capable of finding a better way to get his presidency on track or if a path to a decent presidency exists at this point?
Its only logical if the insurance company doesn't know what game you're playing. Lighting your house on fire when you have a past history of attempting insurance fraud is stupid because the insurance company is not going to pay out and you're probably going to get booked for insurance fraud.
That's basically the situation Trump is in. He's called wolf far too often that only his die hard base is holding strong. Everyone else knows what game he's playing and no one is really that interested in giving him any benefit of the doubt anymore. That's why he wanted to back out of this national address and that's why more and more people are blaming him for the shutdown while people blaming Democrats are staying at around 1/3rd of respondents.
As a president, Trump hasn't really done anything so his presidency was never really on track. The only real major success he's had - stacking the courts - could literally be done by a Federalist created AI algorithm because the Republicans had the house, senate and presidency and there was no way they weren't going to stack the courts even with Democratic objections. To everyone but the type of person who moans about SJWs in the entertainment industry, its clear he has zero intellectual curiosity so there is no way his presidency can get on track or even find a path to be kind of decent.
He's basically Jimmy Carter without the humanity, an exceptionally weak president who never achieved much and is only popular with people who like "owning the Libs" or "scoring scalps". Which isn't really helpful because "owning the Libs" doesn't improve the economy, improve health care costs, improve infrastructure or really do anything but let a certain segment of people feel better than they've upset someone else.
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On January 10 2019 15:29 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 08:31 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:24 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 06:38 Logo wrote:
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I think the 77% approve of the wall is more important that the shutdown numbers. Come election people won't really care about whether the shutdown happened or not if the wall is being built and Trump gets to go on stage and remind everyone of that accomplishment.
The shutdown has to get really nasty, more so than just its length, I think for it to be a political point in and of itself by election. That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose. Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however. Its logical if you need the money and have no other way to get money you need. Do you think Trump is either capable of finding a better way to get his presidency on track or if a path to a decent presidency exists at this point? Its only logical if the insurance company doesn't know what game you're playing. Lighting your house on fire when you have a past history of attempting insurance fraud is stupid because the insurance company is not going to pay out and you're probably going to get booked for insurance fraud. That's basically the situation Trump is in. He's called wolf far too often that only his die hard base is holding strong. Everyone else knows what game he's playing and no one is really that interested in giving him any benefit of the doubt anymore. That's why he wanted to back out of this national address and that's why more and more people are blaming him for the shutdown while people blaming Democrats are staying at around 1/3rd of respondents. As a president, Trump hasn't really done anything so his presidency was never really on track. The only real major success he's had - stacking the courts - could literally be done by a Federalist created AI algorithm because the Republicans had the house, senate and presidency and there was no way they weren't going to stack the courts even with Democratic objections. To everyone but the type of person who moans about SJWs in the entertainment industry, its clear he has zero intellectual curiosity so there is no way his presidency can get on track or even find a path to be kind of decent. He's basically Jimmy Carter without the humanity, an exceptionally weak president who never achieved much and is only popular with people who like "owning the Libs" or "scoring scalps". Which isn't really helpful because "owning the Libs" doesn't improve the economy, improve health care costs, improve infrastructure or really do anything but let a certain segment of people feel better than they've upset someone else.
I'm not sure that 'owning the libs' doesn't rate higher on their priority list than the other stuff, deep down.
But to the meat of it, there was also the tax cut. That's a pretty big deal the Republicans have been wanting to do for ages. And I don't know how important it is but officially moving the Israel embassy to Jerusalem seems to have pleased some people.
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On January 10 2019 19:20 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 15:29 Womwomwom wrote:On January 10 2019 08:31 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:24 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:
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That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose. Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however. Its logical if you need the money and have no other way to get money you need. Do you think Trump is either capable of finding a better way to get his presidency on track or if a path to a decent presidency exists at this point? Its only logical if the insurance company doesn't know what game you're playing. Lighting your house on fire when you have a past history of attempting insurance fraud is stupid because the insurance company is not going to pay out and you're probably going to get booked for insurance fraud. That's basically the situation Trump is in. He's called wolf far too often that only his die hard base is holding strong. Everyone else knows what game he's playing and no one is really that interested in giving him any benefit of the doubt anymore. That's why he wanted to back out of this national address and that's why more and more people are blaming him for the shutdown while people blaming Democrats are staying at around 1/3rd of respondents. As a president, Trump hasn't really done anything so his presidency was never really on track. The only real major success he's had - stacking the courts - could literally be done by a Federalist created AI algorithm because the Republicans had the house, senate and presidency and there was no way they weren't going to stack the courts even with Democratic objections. To everyone but the type of person who moans about SJWs in the entertainment industry, its clear he has zero intellectual curiosity so there is no way his presidency can get on track or even find a path to be kind of decent. He's basically Jimmy Carter without the humanity, an exceptionally weak president who never achieved much and is only popular with people who like "owning the Libs" or "scoring scalps". Which isn't really helpful because "owning the Libs" doesn't improve the economy, improve health care costs, improve infrastructure or really do anything but let a certain segment of people feel better than they've upset someone else. I'm not sure that 'owning the libs' doesn't rate higher on their priority list than the other stuff, deep down. But to the meat of it, there was also the tax cut. That's a pretty big deal the Republicans have been wanting to do for ages. And I don't know how important it is but officially moving the Israel embassy to Jerusalem seems to have pleased some people. Th embassy falls under "owning the libs" or "pissing of the right people for nothing but lolz".
But yes, as we have been able to experience in this very threat, 'owning the libs' is probably the #1 spot on 'what do Trump voters want'.
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If we're talking about Trump's legacy in the grand scheme, I really believe history's view will be that he presided over the last window when it might have been possible to rein in an ascendant China, and accomplished nothing in that period except turning America inwards and its allies against it.
The domestic apparatus he's thrown tantrums at can be put back together by later administrations, and even the relationships he's mangled are recoverable, but four years of wasted time and opportunity seem much harder to get back when things are changing so quickly.
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On January 10 2019 19:20 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 15:29 Womwomwom wrote:On January 10 2019 08:31 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:24 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:On January 10 2019 06:42 Plansix wrote:
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That 77% didn’t win them the last election and won’t win them the next one. The entire plan of appealing to the base relies on the Democrats running a ton of candidates with negative approval ratings. But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much. Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose. Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however. Its logical if you need the money and have no other way to get money you need. Do you think Trump is either capable of finding a better way to get his presidency on track or if a path to a decent presidency exists at this point? Its only logical if the insurance company doesn't know what game you're playing. Lighting your house on fire when you have a past history of attempting insurance fraud is stupid because the insurance company is not going to pay out and you're probably going to get booked for insurance fraud. That's basically the situation Trump is in. He's called wolf far too often that only his die hard base is holding strong. Everyone else knows what game he's playing and no one is really that interested in giving him any benefit of the doubt anymore. That's why he wanted to back out of this national address and that's why more and more people are blaming him for the shutdown while people blaming Democrats are staying at around 1/3rd of respondents. As a president, Trump hasn't really done anything so his presidency was never really on track. The only real major success he's had - stacking the courts - could literally be done by a Federalist created AI algorithm because the Republicans had the house, senate and presidency and there was no way they weren't going to stack the courts even with Democratic objections. To everyone but the type of person who moans about SJWs in the entertainment industry, its clear he has zero intellectual curiosity so there is no way his presidency can get on track or even find a path to be kind of decent. He's basically Jimmy Carter without the humanity, an exceptionally weak president who never achieved much and is only popular with people who like "owning the Libs" or "scoring scalps". Which isn't really helpful because "owning the Libs" doesn't improve the economy, improve health care costs, improve infrastructure or really do anything but let a certain segment of people feel better than they've upset someone else. I'm not sure that 'owning the libs' doesn't rate higher on their priority list than the other stuff, deep down. But to the meat of it, there was also the tax cut. That's a pretty big deal the Republicans have been wanting to do for ages. And I don't know how important it is but officially moving the Israel embassy to Jerusalem seems to have pleased some people.
When half of them are eating dirt for a year straight, maybe. But a lot of Trump supporters don't mind blowing up local industry so long as other people are hurting too. The countless New York Times sympathy pieces on Trump supporters shows that mentality is still strong with the Republican base. Which would be admirable if they weren't basically owning themselves for little result.
The tax cut didn't need Donald Trump to pass, seeing Republican majorities pushed it through Congress in the middle of the night. Trump's constant tweets run contrast to Republican efforts to try and keep it as low key as possible, because they knew how much everyone hated them. It was unpopular to the point most Republicans pretended that it didn't exist during the midterm elections.
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On January 10 2019 22:41 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2019 19:20 iamthedave wrote:On January 10 2019 15:29 Womwomwom wrote:On January 10 2019 08:31 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:24 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:17 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 07:14 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2019 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On January 10 2019 06:49 IyMoon wrote:On January 10 2019 06:47 Logo wrote:
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But the ~50% who don't approve of the shutdown don't matter either by that token? Come election time it won't be a talking point as shutdowns have historically not moved the needle very much.
Which is sort of the point, the likely outcomes of all this election-wise is either Trump scores points for building the wall, or he doesn't and things stay about the same. We will see, most shutdowns have had people try to actually solve them and presidents express empathy to those affected. This one.... well not so much. Most people don't want the wall, its a weird hill to die on Its a completely logical hill to die on. Its a massive project that hes been talking about for years and a campaign promise that he can carry through to help start his next campaign off of. Its far enough away that it won't seem like a big expense and far enough away from the election that he'll be able to show something off to the people. It'll take away any criticism that he didn't get anything done or did nothing to solve the issue. It'll weaken the dems a lot by making their left flank even more cross with the Pelosi/Schumer centrists. The mythical caravan filled with drugs and the plague didn’t win the last election, why is this a good move now? All polling shows that public wants compromise. That means offering something in exchange for something. That is not what is happening. The IRS is shut down. HUD loans are not being issued. Food Stamps are about to run out. Even if everyone in government burns equally for this, Trump and the GOP still lose. This is like being down a stock in Smash Brothers and just Donkey Kong suiciding for the rest of the match while yelling how you are kicking ass. All good ideas are only and are always good ideas if they are successful. What he has to gain is so much more then what little he has left to lose. Lighting your house on fire is pretty stupid until you get away with insurance fraud, that much is true. Not really seeing how it is logical however. Its logical if you need the money and have no other way to get money you need. Do you think Trump is either capable of finding a better way to get his presidency on track or if a path to a decent presidency exists at this point? Its only logical if the insurance company doesn't know what game you're playing. Lighting your house on fire when you have a past history of attempting insurance fraud is stupid because the insurance company is not going to pay out and you're probably going to get booked for insurance fraud. That's basically the situation Trump is in. He's called wolf far too often that only his die hard base is holding strong. Everyone else knows what game he's playing and no one is really that interested in giving him any benefit of the doubt anymore. That's why he wanted to back out of this national address and that's why more and more people are blaming him for the shutdown while people blaming Democrats are staying at around 1/3rd of respondents. As a president, Trump hasn't really done anything so his presidency was never really on track. The only real major success he's had - stacking the courts - could literally be done by a Federalist created AI algorithm because the Republicans had the house, senate and presidency and there was no way they weren't going to stack the courts even with Democratic objections. To everyone but the type of person who moans about SJWs in the entertainment industry, its clear he has zero intellectual curiosity so there is no way his presidency can get on track or even find a path to be kind of decent. He's basically Jimmy Carter without the humanity, an exceptionally weak president who never achieved much and is only popular with people who like "owning the Libs" or "scoring scalps". Which isn't really helpful because "owning the Libs" doesn't improve the economy, improve health care costs, improve infrastructure or really do anything but let a certain segment of people feel better than they've upset someone else. I'm not sure that 'owning the libs' doesn't rate higher on their priority list than the other stuff, deep down. But to the meat of it, there was also the tax cut. That's a pretty big deal the Republicans have been wanting to do for ages. And I don't know how important it is but officially moving the Israel embassy to Jerusalem seems to have pleased some people. When half of them are eating dirt for a year straight, maybe. But a lot of Trump supporters don't mind blowing up local industry so long as other people are hurting too. The countless New York Times sympathy pieces on Trump supporters shows that mentality is still strong with the Republican base. Which would be admirable if they weren't basically owning themselves for little result. The tax cut didn't need Donald Trump to pass, seeing Republican majorities pushed it through Congress in the middle of the night. Trump's constant tweets run contrast to Republican efforts to try and keep it as low key as possible, because they knew how much everyone hated them. It was unpopular to the point most Republicans pretended that it didn't exist during the midterm elections.
All true, but still an accomplishment of his Presidency, and it shouldn't be forgotten about when weighing the scales. I mean, how else are you going to be sure he ends up in the right circle of hell?
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Trump just said it would be "suprising" if he didn't declare a national emergency at this point. Seems like the logical conclusion of all this since it allows him to reopen the govt without giving in to the Dems. The courts will decide this since congressional Republicans abdicated their duty to check the executive a while ago.
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I really hope he goes down the emergency path. I’ve also heard rumblings that a recent shutdown mitigation measure implemented by the Dept. of Energy might signal the deathknell of Republican legislative inaction.
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The fact that the FAA safety inspectors are not working makes me very worried. Inspecting planes before flights is important.
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Another classic from the president of the USA
Trump: “We are negotiating and having tremendous success with China. I find China, frankly, in many ways to be far more honorable than Cryin Chuck and Nancy."
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Not looking like he wants to find any solution here. People are going to suffer for his wall.
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We have arrived at the point when federal workers will not be receiving paychecks. The FBI has written congress telling them to end the shut down. This while Lindsey Graham is saying that abandoning the president could be the end of his term and the Republican Party. What he means is that abandoning Trump and McConnell will destroy the power base they have worked so hard to maintain and end their iron grip on the senate.
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It was a forgone conclusion that fed workers wouldn't be getting paid. We knew it would happen. And they just have to chalk this lost paycheck to the game, because they will not receive it, unless congress passes legislation to give them back pay. But yeah...it is about to get really interesting.
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On January 11 2019 01:34 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It was a forgone conclusion that fed workers wouldn't be getting paid. We knew it would happen. And they just have to chalk this lost paycheck to the game, because they will not receive it, unless congress passes legislation to give them back pay. But yeah...it is about to get really interesting. Back pay will probably happen, from what I understand it has happened in (almost?) every previous case.
The problem is the many people living pay check to pay check who will now not be able to pay rent or do their shopping.
And its going to get worse as federal programs run out of money.
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the parallels to a person's health slowly deteriorating due to starvation are pretty good. a couple days without food are okay, but then it's this little thing, that little thing, little things become bigger things and all of a sudden catastrophic failure.
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On January 11 2019 03:31 ticklishmusic wrote:
the parallels to a person's health slowly deteriorating due to starvation are pretty good. a couple days without food are okay, but then it's this little thing, that little thing, little things become bigger things and all of a sudden catastrophic failure.
I'm supposed to be flying January 24, so I am actually somewhat scared with the whole FAA safety audit people being gone 
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On that topic, the Nation Parks are already being damaged by people who want to use them for off roading and all the other stuff they could do literally anywhere else.
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-joshua-tree-cleanup-20190109-story.html
While Joshua Tree is famous for its otherworldly landscape of weather-beaten rocks and spindly, namesake trees, unruly visitors have turned it into a worst-case example of parkland abuse, officials say.
With no rangers in sight for roughly three weeks, visitors have fought over official campsites and driven through off-limit areas to create illegal encampments. They have littered, set illegal fires, defecated in the wild, and chopped down vegetation to drive around barriers intended to keep people out of sensitive wildlife corridors.
Abbott, one of dozens of ardent volunteers helping out in the park, figures he’s spent nearly $5,000 on bleach, rags and garbage bags and driven 702 miles while cleaning overflowing toilets, picking up garbage and documenting the mess from his wheelchair.
The 55-year-old said that last Sunday, he confronted a group that had used a chain saw to cut up a Joshua tree and a pine tree for firewood. In a separate incident, he cautioned a man who had illegally parked a pickup truck and trailer in a rocky cove frequented by bighorn sheep.
Not for nothing, but can we start a go fund me for this guy, because Jesus what a hero.
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Ok This is patently ridiculous now, 2 weeks of the Federal Govts Import systems being shutdown and having to do have the work by paper is actually the stupidest thing I have ever had to encounter.
All because someone who has to come in and push a button isnt being paid to come into work and push the damn button.
And because the place the button is in, is closed border agents that normally go around just doing immigration processing have to be involved in clearing/releasing imports with bundles of paper being handed to them, none of which will be recorded properly if at all, most of it is probably wrong.
Meanwhile ships and tankers are sitting in demurrage because no one knows what to do to release and unload the shipments and get the ships out. Except THERES NO ONE THERE TO CLAIM THE PENALTY, so lol ?
Its just a complete breakdown I never though Id see in my lifetime. For most common people its a non issue for big importers its an absolute disaster right now.
For a few days its manageable albeit still ridiculous and inconvenient. But this is just wow..
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Remember that super cool discussion we had about how shutdowns don’t matter and federal employees would all be fine because of their huge saving accounts? It feels like a lifetime ago.
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On January 11 2019 03:57 Plansix wrote:
Remember that super cool discussion we had about how shutdowns don’t matter and federal employees would all be fine because of their huge saving accounts? It feels like a lifetime ago.
Yeah office administrators are known for being flush with cash.
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