EPTor maybe its my atomizer?
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
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nukem1
343 Posts
On October 04 2017 12:07 Samba wrote: But on another note, since you said, you´re using a Nautilus mini, how long are your coils lasting? I´m currently using 1.6 and 1.8 ohm coils at 12W in my Nautilus (the big one with 5 ml tank) none of them lasted longer than a good week before tasting burned....i vape around 4-5 ml per day and always prime them before using and let them sit in the full tank for 15 mins before vaping. That´s kinda annoying, not sure if i´m just doing something wrong or they just don´t last longer. It also depends on the juice, if it's darker or particularly sweet it will gunk the coils faster. | ||
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Samba
Germany452 Posts
On October 05 2017 17:53 nukem1 wrote: It also depends on the juice, if it's darker or particularly sweet it will gunk the coils faster. Yeah, but so far i´ve only used fruity flavors at 5% in 50/50 base, just wanted to get some comparison since the guy in the shop told me, the coils would last somewhere between 1 and 4 weeks. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On October 04 2017 23:30 neozxa wrote: if people can get massive vapor out of 20w alone, then the problem could be in my mod itself, cuz i barely get any vapor when i use 20w even after sucking for 6+ seconds. or maybe its my atomizer? Probably the atomizer. If it has too much surface area (power output/mm^2 of surface area is lower)... And when you take into account the heat transfer (since the coil doesn't instantly vaporize the liquid next to it), then yeah, what can happen is you don't get any vaporization. Check the rated wattage of the atomizer. I use the TFV8-T8 coils, these are 50-110W, and 60-80W ideal. If a vape them at 20W the vapor is barely noticeable, and at 25-30W, it's just a bit more than cigarettes. A lot of people like to get the octocoils, the 12 coil in parallel and whatnot, which is great if you want to keep resistance low and vaporize a lot of liquid, but its not good if you don't meet the minimum power demands. Also remember, 10A and 1V isn't the same thing as 10V and 1A. Just because the quantity of energy going through is the same doesn't mean you get identical heating profiles. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
The side effects of Albuterol inhalation, are typically nausea/light-headedness/shakiness. In addition to that, long term and repetitive use of one can have negative side effects on the calcium in your bones. Haven't been able to find much clinical data/research to back this up but there is a lot of work to do be done to see what these things really do haha | ||
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
though i am looking forward to the say where therapeutic eliquid are developed to cure asthma and other minor respiratory diseases. would be interesting if that actually happened | ||
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SpaceDog45
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Spenlowren
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Oliviageorge098
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
Personally, I feel that the nicotine mg amounts in the OP's post are quite inaccurate since it mostly depends on what device you have, e.g. have fun inhaling 18mg or even 6mg with a 300W device. With a sub-ohm vaporizer, a 50W e-cig and 6mg liquids, I felt like my nicotine needs were quite satisfied even at the beginning. Currently, I use a 0,3 ohm coil, 30W device and 3mg liquid, which is enough to satisfy my nicotine addiction. The offers for e-cigs, vaporizes and liquids are quite overwhelming if you are just about to start with vaping, so my best advice to everyone intending to switch is to go to a local shop specialized in vaping and get some recommendations as to what to get. Else you may end up buying some 300W, $300 device loaded with 20mg liquids that makes you wanna cough your lungs out, or alternatively some $5 crappy pen that does nothing even if you load it with some absurd 50mg nicotine solution. Really, if you want to switch go to a specialized shop. It will be marginally more expenisive than ordering the correct stuff online, but way cheaper than buying the wrong stuff you read about on some outdated and/or obscure website.I am talking from experience here... Don't do the same mistake as me. Later on, when you know what you need, you can still start buying you supplies online to get a better deal. I cannot stress enough how much better for your health and well-being vaping is compared to smoking! Honestly, it is nowhere near the same as smoking. For nearly two years, I kept catching myself longing for a cigarette. Vaping is different, but it helps to take the edge off (and then some more; when you suck on that thing, you do not feel like having to smoke). If you are not a smoker, do not bother with vaping. It is not cool. It costs money. And "healthy" is certainly not a adjective I'd use to destribe it (especially, when you have any nicotine in your liquid). p.s. How unhealthy vaping is, is up for debate, but compared to smoking it is several orders of magnitude less bad. It is not even remotely comparable in that aspect. Try it for a couple of weeks instead of smoking if you do not believe me, | ||
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StrongJohn
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quite an informative thread. I quit smoking thanks to vaping. So now I advise it to everyone who asks me  I was a heavy smoker for maybe 10 years. Tried all possible methods to quit, nothing worked. I like Vapingdaily. Also a good site about vaping. My story started from here. Now I vape quite rarely. But still, my favorite vaping flavors are desserts flavors as someone already said here. Like them | ||
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fredtwist123fdr
Canada1 Post
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:19 StrongJohn wrote: Hi there, quite an informative thread. I quit smoking thanks to vaping. So now I advise it to everyone who asks me I was a heavy smoker for maybe 10 years. Tried all possible methods to quit, nothing worked. I like Vapingdaily. Also a good site about vaping. My story started from here. Now I vape quite rarely. But still, my favorite vaping flavors are desserts flavors as someone already said here. Like them Good stuff, congratulations As for myself, still vaping away, went from 3mg to 1.5mg over the course of since I made the OP, never felt the need to go lower. In October, broke up with my long time gf (since 18, in my setup it was like if my whole family died and I became an orphan). Was shitty, life felt pretty empty (still hurts haha.. ha... ha.....)... Anyway, that got me back to smoking, went from zero, to pack a day, in the course of 1 day.  Kept that up for two months, realized I don't want to die this quickly, so I went with nic salts. At 35mg, but very low powered mods, so tough to compare. I guess I go through around 3/4mL per day, so like 24 cigarettes equivalent in nicotine. Still smoke, maybe 4/day, but progressively cutting down.My friend opened up a vape shop chain locally, been very successful so far, half a dozen stores opened, I'm able to get all products at wholesale prices, so it's pretty nice. I went from using a Smok Alien to a Voopoo Drag, both are two battery mods, performance wise very similar, but the battery holder on my Alien broke, wasn't fan of that mechanism, but the software and form factor was better. Maybe 3 months ago I switched from using sub ohm mods into those pen style kits. Initially I used a Smok Novo, similar to Juul, Aspire Breeze, etc, but it broke after just shy of 3 months. The buttonless mods are limited in lifetime because eventually juice will clog up the sensor, and they'll activate strangely. Mine stayed fired up for a second after I stopped inhaling, and just a couple days ago it got stuck all the way, and burned my coils completely. So I'd recommend getting one with a button, and definitely get one with refillable pods too, checking prices of the pods before committing to one is a smart idea too. After that issue, I bought a Innokin EQ, so far so good. Fairly large battery for a pen mod (800mAh), filling mechanism is excellent, cover for mouthpiece is smart, the inhale is excellent, would recommend. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6655 Posts
I'm not a heavy smoker ( 5-10 a day) but can't really quit since a smoke after lunch and after work are so fixed in my day that I just can't do without (though I tried) What would be a decent beginner set? What can you recommend? I'm absolutely new to this and I don't have any friends who tried this step :/ | ||
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Sinergyk
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nukem1
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On March 28 2019 19:41 Harris1st wrote: I'm toying with the idea to join the vape club instead of smoking cigarettes. Is this something you guys would recommend? I'm not a heavy smoker ( 5-10 a day) but can't really quit since a smoke after lunch and after work are so fixed in my day that I just can't do without (though I tried) What would be a decent beginner set? What can you recommend? I'm absolutely new to this and I don't have any friends who tried this step :/ Since you're asking in a thread dedicated to vapers, I think you know what the general answer would be. I'm curious about what you want to achieve by switching to vaping. Are you worried about your health and trying to reduce the long term effects of smoking? Then I could link a study from the Royale Collage of Physicians which concluded that vaping is up to 95% safer than smoking. (it's still not healthy, but healthier compared to smoking) Are you looking for a better way to help you stop smoking? There's a somewhat decent NY Times article talking about how vaping is more effective than other traditional cessation options. Are you looking just to replace the nicotine delivery method? Well, I don't think there's any debate, vaping brings so many more options. (I'm obviously biased towards vaping) Just one thing to note, vaping will never taste like an actual cigarette. It's two different processes. If you do decide to try it out, my recommendation would be to go to an actual physical store, ideally one where you can try out products, not sure what the situation is with those in Germany. The thing is, vaping allows for so much variation that it's hard to point to one specific item and say "get that"... My advice would be to try out some pod systems. They usually mimic quite closely the draw (the way you pull air) of a traditional cigarette and the feel (throat sensation). They're generally accessible, around 20-40 euro range, easy to use, don't require any extras (batteries, chargers etc.) Don't spend too much on liquids, get a couple of small bottles and try different aroma profiles (fruits/tobacco/desserts etc.). Let us know how it goes, ask questions (it can be quite overwhelming in the beginning). | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 28 2019 19:41 Harris1st wrote: I'm toying with the idea to join the vape club instead of smoking cigarettes. Is this something you guys would recommend? I'm not a heavy smoker ( 5-10 a day) but can't really quit since a smoke after lunch and after work are so fixed in my day that I just can't do without (though I tried) What would be a decent beginner set? What can you recommend? I'm absolutely new to this and I don't have any friends who tried this step :/ I stopped smoking 18 months ago through vaping. You're pretty much in the same boat as i was, though i smoked more. A "Gewohnheitsraucher", whatever the term in english is (sorry). Here's my thoughts after going through pretty much everything vaping has to offer, from MTL to DTL vaping (the way you inhale the vapour, MTL is cigarette style draw, DL is putting the atomiser on your lips, turning it on and then inhale through the atomiser), from regulated mods to mech mods (mod = Akkutraeger in german, mechanical mods don't have displays and are potentially dangerous, more hobbyist level with needs of knowledge in ohms law etc), from rebuildable atomisers to ready-coils, vape pens, squonk devices etc pp. Here's what i suggest if you're in germany. https://dampfdorado.de/e-zigaretten/aspire-zelos-50-watt-mit-nautilus-2 Backendampfen = MTL. That's the atomiser i started with/stopped smoking with. I proceeded down the rabbit hole, owning like 30 different atomisers and 8 mods (one of which cost me £300) - but for the beginning, a "ready coiled" (Fertigcoiler) tank is good enough. Once you turn it into a hobby or habit, i suggest you come back and look for other things like rebuildables etc. The Nautilus pretty much uniformly is accepted as the best MTL pre-coiled tank, where you change out the coil head every few days (screw out/screw in, easy as pie). Now, i'll be real here: it's messier than smoking. The Nautilus can leak a little. You can rectify this later down the line with more advanced tanks. Starting, at 6-10 cigarettes a day, i wouldn't suggest to go higher on nicotine than 6mg on MTL, 3mg if you decide to go DTL (the "bong style inhaling") - in fact i'd even dilute that to 1.5mg (simply because you inhale considerably more vapour this way). I started on 12mg, and am down to 6mg now - and 1.5mg on my DTL devices. For juices, well. Here's what i suggest. Don't buy off of facebook or ebay, go into a shop if you can, or a reputable online dealer. There's no "cigarette flavour", but there's some that scratch the itch - ex smokers often try one of the various "RY4" liquids (Caramel Vanilla Tobacco), less fruity stuff. Me personally, i don't enjoy fruity things in MTL (cigarette-style) atomisers. If needed you can PM me (in german), can explain things a bit clearer in german. They usually mimic quite closely the draw (the way you pull air) of a traditional cigarette and the feel (throat sensation). The first part is true for the most part (though usually not adjustable), the second part is wrong from my experience, here's why. To get the "throat hit", the scratch in your throat, with pens etc you need to go incredibly high in nicotine/high PG, because the way they're built simply doesn't allow for long chimneys. A proper MTL device will always have a long chimney. That's why usually in Juuls etc you use considerably higher nicotine levels (in fact, that's why they're pretty much useless in the EU where the Nicsalt Juul is prohibited because they go above 20mg). That's why MTL RDAs aren't really a thing either (i have three) - at least not as a smoke replacement. If you just enjoy MTL and don't need throathit, then sure, they're great in terms of flavour - but mimicking an actual cigarette? Only with way higher nicotine content compared to normal tanks. Case in point, my Kayfun Prime on 6mg has a more satisfying throat hit than my Juul, Blu or Bo with 18mg, which results in me chain drawing to get heat into the device to get something, resulting of course in headaches because it's three times the amount of nic i'm used to. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6655 Posts
Thanks for the help and information. Appreciate it My goals with the switch are definitely health based. Also my new GF hates the smell of cigarettes (or "ash tray" , her words). As I pointed out, I am not only addicted to the nicotine but the ritual as well. That is why gum or injections or bandaids are no substitute (I tried) I don't need any convincing to vape. I am already convinced. My problem is the overwhelming amount of options, be it devices, liquids and everything else. If I knew how /where to start , I would have done it a long time ago ^^' But I don't want to buy stuff for 500 bucks just to realize this device or method or liquid isn't for me. In general I don't mind if this is slightlymore expensive than smoking. Is the "pod" system that nukem1 mentions the same as the "MTL" that m4ini mentions? That sounds like my thing. @m4ini What do you mean with messi and leak? That sounds disturbing TBH. Does this concern only the "refill" process or is this a general thing, going of in my pocket and whatnot? Again, thank you for the help :D | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Podsystems both come in MTL and DL, partially depending on the style of the pod too, pen style pods tend to be more MTL, proper podmods like a LostVape DNA Orion (not the Q, that one just plain sucks) are both. In regards to when a tank leaks, it's usually one of two things. You either did something wrong when refilling, or it's damaged. There's exceptions, like tanks that are inherently more likely to leak, but in 18 months, the only real mess i had was a damaged Nautilus 2 than leaked in my pocket. That being said, some tanks require some "trickery" to prevent seeping liquid (not leaking, but losing a few drops and make it gurgle when you draw). In case of the Nautilus, basically, if you want to be absolutely on the safe side, you take the cap off, refill it, screw the cap on half way, turn it on its head and screw the rest in. Reason being is that if you don't do that, the created airpressure can press some liquid through the coil into the chimney/airholes. Make no mistake: i had a Bo Pen leak too. In fact the "pods" or "cartridges" that you have to buy are "pre-leaky" when you take them out of their plastic, smeared with juice. The slightly awkward thing is, the further you go down the rabbit hole, the better the options get. I have a few setups currently, one being a SXmini SL Class with a Kayfun Prime, that flatout hasn't leaked a single drop in 12 months, and neither has my KHW Dvarw MTL. Problem with these is, they are rebuildable tanks (called RTA). They work differently from what usually is suggested to beginners, but usually are way better quality. Think microwave meal compared to preparing a feast. RTAs don't have pre-made coils, you make the coils yourself, install it, then "install" the cotton, rather than having a premade coil. Another thing is price. Podsystems, especially non-refillable ones (though, careful here: usually you can only refill the pod a few times - depending on the juice you use, that can go down to max. 2-3 times because the cotton of course gets ruined and for 95% of systems you can't change that), seem like a good alternative until you do the math. I'm not 100% sure of prices in germany, over here a pack of 4 pods, one being 2ml, is around 15 euros. That's 8ml for 15 bucks. I can get 100ml of juice for roughly that price. Or, once you get more comfy with stuff, you'll end up like me with 500ml of "my" juice, for roughly 30 bucks by buying just basically the aroma/concentrate and then mix it yourself with nic and pg/vg and be done with it for 6-8 weeks. Long story short: Pen style systems have upsides, mainly due to their size, but they also have pretty big downsides (battery capacity, non-adjustable draw, non-/partially refillable, auto-firing devices usually not working after a few weeks etc). I use them when i know i'm only out for 2 or 3 hours, and feel like my "normal" setup doesn't fit my pocket. I'd suggest a normal tank, on a normal mod (the mod that i suggested btw is a decent mod that you can use with any other MTL tank or single coil DL tank). I've been through everything, that's what i go back to. edit: btw, you mentioned "the ritual" - MTL is exactly what you want, because it's literally like smoking a fag, only that you need to press a button to make "smoke" (and i say "smoke" because some people don't get tired pointing out that it is vapour, not smoke). And you don't smell like ass afterwards. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6655 Posts
Will write up my feedback when it arrives and I thoroughly tested it | ||
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