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sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
September 27 2017 03:32 GMT
#21
hey there, i've been vaping since a year ago, its been awesome.. before that i smoked for 7 years around 10-12 cigs per day
there are sweet spot (ohm and wattage settings) for vaping , but everybody have different sweet spot. mine is 70 watts burning on .25 ohm.
the only negative experience is when you buy the second time the same liquid that i like but taste not good as first one
vape on!
6nnn
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 04:35:10
September 27 2017 04:08 GMT
#22
On September 27 2017 11:12 Alejandrisha wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2017 09:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 08:27 Samba wrote:
First of all, nice write up, very informative.
I try to get this rolling again as i just started vaping about 3 weeks ago after smoking for 16 years. =)

For me it was definitly the best decision i´ve made in a long time, because of vaping i haven´t smoked a single cigarette in 3 weeks where i was at around 10-15 cigs per day before that. And all that without any signs of withdrawal at all.
My coughing alrdy got significally better and the money saving aspect is really a nice incentive as well.
After some liquids from the store i started mixing my own base, 1 liter of that costs here in germany around 30 € and should last me at least 6 month! So talk about saving a shit ton of money. ^^

And while i was only a somewhat "moderate" smoker, after i bought my e-cig i showed the thing to my 62 year old father who has smoked about 2 packs each day for 47 years. He was immediately so keen about it that i went back to the store and bought one for him as well. And since then he´s basically completely off cigs. I wouldn´t have thought i would live to see that day, because i can´t remember a single day where i have seen my father for even 30 mins without a cigarette.
And THAT makes me really fucking happy!

As for my setup, after a good consulting in my local vapeshop i bought an Eleaf iPower 5000mA 80W battery mod with an Aspire Nautilus atomizer.
As far as i can tell the atomizer really makes the difference here, since it´s a so called mouth to lung version, which has a similiar drag as a cig has.(as opposed to a direct lung atomizer, which just made me cough heavily)
I started with a 6mg/ml nikotine liquid, but alrdy dropped it down to 3 and still feel completely satisfied with it.

So long story short, for everybody who wants to stop smoking, i couldn´t recommend it more!


That's a great story, I'm happy to hear it Keep it up!

I was smoking for around 4 years, not as long as many, and not as high quantity as many either. I think from year 1 to year 3 I linearly progressed from 3 cigarettes/day, to 8-10. Then for the last year, I averaged 12-15/day. Since "quitting" 2 months ago, I've had 4 cigarettes total (so I guess not exactly quit). Each time when out drinking with friends, the taste and smell is really starting to get a big gross, but I finished them out of habit, anyway.

I've enjoyed going out with shisha with my Jewish and Middle eastern friends, and so I've tried to make my vaping experience pretty similar to that. Which means I want a lot of airflow with light fruity flavors. But definitely depends on your exact objectives, having only tried 4 different vapes, I'm far from an expert... I remember buying one like 4-5 years ago from a 7-11 and man, the thing was awful. Was harder to suck on it than inflating a hot water bottle, little flavor, no vapor, no way to replace the flavor. I work with some older people, and they've tried them in the past when they were crap, and so they don't think it's very good even though they've changed a lot. Definitely the current gen ones do a very nice job.

Looks like a solid mod, I think 80W is on the border of what I'd consider satisfying the average sub-ohm vaper, but if it works for you then great. If you're going for more cigarette like feel, you don't need as much power. I vape low compared to most people I meet, 45W, I prefer a smooth and cooler inhale... Though occasionally when I'm out with some other people and I want to sort of showoff, or just vape higher a couple puffs for the sake of it, I like to go to 80-100W, so having that potential there is nice.

The thing that I'm interested about is the flavors. Nowadays super concentrates are becoming quite popular, usual juices that you mix yourself dissolved in VG/PG require around 10% flavor, which can add up pretty quick, since where I buy from a 10mL flavor is $5, and a 30mL flavor is $8 (CDN though). So if you want a smaller size just to try it out, you're paying $5 for 100mL (and sometimes people add 15-20% flavor, I just happen to prefer that softer taste) just flavor, whereas if you buy a popular brand juice, it'll cost you like $50 for everything. So the savings aren't as significant as they could be. But these alcohol dissolved super concentrates only require 1-3% flavoring, yet they are like the same price per mL of these normal PG/VG dissolved flavors. I think I calculated that at my current levels, $120 worth of products will last me 3.5 years when buying these super concentrates (versus more than double for the standard concentrations).

As for some recommendations from me:

1) For DIY buy this scale: https://www.amazon.ca/American-Weigh-Scales-LB-501-Digital/dp/B005UGBG20
2) For buying DIY supplies in Canada, I recommend https://thebrokevaper.ca/ , absolutely amazing guy running it. Nothing to complain about at all, perfect way to run an online vape shop.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 08:56 Alejandrisha wrote:
helped me quit smoking so I am a fan. i don't know where to stand on 'vape culture' as i do not consider myself a part of it. the only thing that comes to mind when I hear 'vape culture' are the gross guys that work at the local shop that hit on underage girls that hang out there to get free juice


Yeah, same here. I have a friend who before I was vaping (and the one who eventually convinced me to get one), half jokingly did this extremely cringy this where he would put out two piece hand signs, right next to one another, creating the letter V and letter N, and would say "Vape Nation". This is the origin of the title for the thread lol. I treat it much like smoking, you do it because you do, not because you're trying to be part of some group.

But yeah, younger people are quicker to adopt to new technologies, so I suppose when you see a lot of teens vaping it can put an image in your head that it's some children's thing. Same as a skateboard, few adults buy one even if it can be useful, simply because the kind of people they usually associate with skaters. Vaping is the same way I think, but I think vaping is a lot more beneficial than skateboarding, and eventually it'll really catch on with adults of all ages. Many of the smokers in my company wouldn't try it because they think it's stupid, bit once they did they usually liked it.



I wish this was my experience because then I'd at least be able to laugh at myself
Literally the vape shop I went to was my friend who would basically be sexually harassed but was a strong girl and just pushed them away but they literally let her pour her own juice and work the desk etc. Lots of girls who were not old enough to get nicotine would come to this shop full of pervworkers and get free juice because the manager(perv#1) was making good margins because he was an early adopter
Now that I have re-entered the vaping world several years later, it doesn't have all that baggage and I am, as I always have, doing it for myself. I am an acultural vapist.
edit: she got me free juice so no complaints #vapelife


*vapelyfe

In all seriousness though, yes, that is shitty. New industry means the big corporations haven't entered, and yeah, those things happen. I hope that's a one off case, pretty sad.

But i´m definitly not considering going back to "pyros" (fancy vape-forum term i saw everywhere for cigs)


The good old days of being a pyrotechnician. Yeah, pyros and analogs - I guess collectively many of us smoked before and now stopped and see smoking as a bad decision, so we defile cigarettes, gotta give them some name that makes them sound uncool.


Also, what PG/VG ratio are you guys going for? I bought a 4L 70/30 premixed, so it's been a while since I've had something different. I'm actually getting a bigger throat hit than I'd like, after a 10 minute session of a puff every 30 seconds or less my throat is a little sore. Not sure if it's too much PG, or just too much nicotine at once. I keep saying I'll do a lower nic one to compare, but then I don't because you know, cravings lol.

Also on another topic, one thing that really erks me in the e-juice DIY community is how crude steeping is. Like I'm in this DIY facebook page, and fml. Someone posts a recipe and says to steep it for 6-8 weeks, wtf are you serious, who's going to do this. So it's not the fact that steeping it for that long is an issue (though it is sort of), but is there no science to this? What I mean is if someone says to steep it for 6 weeks in a dark room at say 20C, there should be some connection versus steeping it at 30C until you get the same flavor.

Clearly some reactions happen in that time, so if we measured how much of a certain compound was created, and then ran a test on a hotplate with say a magnetic stir stick, and periodically take samples and check them to compare, we should see how long it takes, and we could make some rough conclusions. But right now there's no science at all, and it makes me unhappy... Maybe it is one of those finer things in life, like good wine and cheese, but I'm not patient enough for it. The other issue is that it becomes impossible to do any kind of science on your recipes if you need to wait at least one week before you can analyze your sample (taste), because you wont remember what the previous one tasted like, and even the one in your bottle from a week before that is the same but 2% more of some flavor will taste different, because it's had another week to steep. It's a big problem, because if you can get feedback on your recipe only once a week, trying to design anything new becomes super annoying. So I guess it surprises me that more science hasn't been done on this, that or I don't know where to look for it. Maybe someone has some insights about how the e-juice companies go about creating their flavors, or any information that can point me in the right direction?
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sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
September 27 2017 06:20 GMT
#23
On September 27 2017 13:08 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 11:12 Alejandrisha wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2017 09:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 08:27 Samba wrote:
First of all, nice write up, very informative.
I try to get this rolling again as i just started vaping about 3 weeks ago after smoking for 16 years. =)

For me it was definitly the best decision i´ve made in a long time, because of vaping i haven´t smoked a single cigarette in 3 weeks where i was at around 10-15 cigs per day before that. And all that without any signs of withdrawal at all.
My coughing alrdy got significally better and the money saving aspect is really a nice incentive as well.
After some liquids from the store i started mixing my own base, 1 liter of that costs here in germany around 30 € and should last me at least 6 month! So talk about saving a shit ton of money. ^^

And while i was only a somewhat "moderate" smoker, after i bought my e-cig i showed the thing to my 62 year old father who has smoked about 2 packs each day for 47 years. He was immediately so keen about it that i went back to the store and bought one for him as well. And since then he´s basically completely off cigs. I wouldn´t have thought i would live to see that day, because i can´t remember a single day where i have seen my father for even 30 mins without a cigarette.
And THAT makes me really fucking happy!

As for my setup, after a good consulting in my local vapeshop i bought an Eleaf iPower 5000mA 80W battery mod with an Aspire Nautilus atomizer.
As far as i can tell the atomizer really makes the difference here, since it´s a so called mouth to lung version, which has a similiar drag as a cig has.(as opposed to a direct lung atomizer, which just made me cough heavily)
I started with a 6mg/ml nikotine liquid, but alrdy dropped it down to 3 and still feel completely satisfied with it.

So long story short, for everybody who wants to stop smoking, i couldn´t recommend it more!


That's a great story, I'm happy to hear it Keep it up!

I was smoking for around 4 years, not as long as many, and not as high quantity as many either. I think from year 1 to year 3 I linearly progressed from 3 cigarettes/day, to 8-10. Then for the last year, I averaged 12-15/day. Since "quitting" 2 months ago, I've had 4 cigarettes total (so I guess not exactly quit). Each time when out drinking with friends, the taste and smell is really starting to get a big gross, but I finished them out of habit, anyway.

I've enjoyed going out with shisha with my Jewish and Middle eastern friends, and so I've tried to make my vaping experience pretty similar to that. Which means I want a lot of airflow with light fruity flavors. But definitely depends on your exact objectives, having only tried 4 different vapes, I'm far from an expert... I remember buying one like 4-5 years ago from a 7-11 and man, the thing was awful. Was harder to suck on it than inflating a hot water bottle, little flavor, no vapor, no way to replace the flavor. I work with some older people, and they've tried them in the past when they were crap, and so they don't think it's very good even though they've changed a lot. Definitely the current gen ones do a very nice job.

Looks like a solid mod, I think 80W is on the border of what I'd consider satisfying the average sub-ohm vaper, but if it works for you then great. If you're going for more cigarette like feel, you don't need as much power. I vape low compared to most people I meet, 45W, I prefer a smooth and cooler inhale... Though occasionally when I'm out with some other people and I want to sort of showoff, or just vape higher a couple puffs for the sake of it, I like to go to 80-100W, so having that potential there is nice.

The thing that I'm interested about is the flavors. Nowadays super concentrates are becoming quite popular, usual juices that you mix yourself dissolved in VG/PG require around 10% flavor, which can add up pretty quick, since where I buy from a 10mL flavor is $5, and a 30mL flavor is $8 (CDN though). So if you want a smaller size just to try it out, you're paying $5 for 100mL (and sometimes people add 15-20% flavor, I just happen to prefer that softer taste) just flavor, whereas if you buy a popular brand juice, it'll cost you like $50 for everything. So the savings aren't as significant as they could be. But these alcohol dissolved super concentrates only require 1-3% flavoring, yet they are like the same price per mL of these normal PG/VG dissolved flavors. I think I calculated that at my current levels, $120 worth of products will last me 3.5 years when buying these super concentrates (versus more than double for the standard concentrations).

As for some recommendations from me:

1) For DIY buy this scale: https://www.amazon.ca/American-Weigh-Scales-LB-501-Digital/dp/B005UGBG20
2) For buying DIY supplies in Canada, I recommend https://thebrokevaper.ca/ , absolutely amazing guy running it. Nothing to complain about at all, perfect way to run an online vape shop.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 08:56 Alejandrisha wrote:
helped me quit smoking so I am a fan. i don't know where to stand on 'vape culture' as i do not consider myself a part of it. the only thing that comes to mind when I hear 'vape culture' are the gross guys that work at the local shop that hit on underage girls that hang out there to get free juice


Yeah, same here. I have a friend who before I was vaping (and the one who eventually convinced me to get one), half jokingly did this extremely cringy this where he would put out two piece hand signs, right next to one another, creating the letter V and letter N, and would say "Vape Nation". This is the origin of the title for the thread lol. I treat it much like smoking, you do it because you do, not because you're trying to be part of some group.

But yeah, younger people are quicker to adopt to new technologies, so I suppose when you see a lot of teens vaping it can put an image in your head that it's some children's thing. Same as a skateboard, few adults buy one even if it can be useful, simply because the kind of people they usually associate with skaters. Vaping is the same way I think, but I think vaping is a lot more beneficial than skateboarding, and eventually it'll really catch on with adults of all ages. Many of the smokers in my company wouldn't try it because they think it's stupid, bit once they did they usually liked it.



I wish this was my experience because then I'd at least be able to laugh at myself
Literally the vape shop I went to was my friend who would basically be sexually harassed but was a strong girl and just pushed them away but they literally let her pour her own juice and work the desk etc. Lots of girls who were not old enough to get nicotine would come to this shop full of pervworkers and get free juice because the manager(perv#1) was making good margins because he was an early adopter
Now that I have re-entered the vaping world several years later, it doesn't have all that baggage and I am, as I always have, doing it for myself. I am an acultural vapist.
edit: she got me free juice so no complaints #vapelife


*vapelyfe

In all seriousness though, yes, that is shitty. New industry means the big corporations haven't entered, and yeah, those things happen. I hope that's a one off case, pretty sad.

Show nested quote +
But i´m definitly not considering going back to "pyros" (fancy vape-forum term i saw everywhere for cigs)


The good old days of being a pyrotechnician. Yeah, pyros and analogs - I guess collectively many of us smoked before and now stopped and see smoking as a bad decision, so we defile cigarettes, gotta give them some name that makes them sound uncool.


Also, what PG/VG ratio are you guys going for? I bought a 4L 70/30 premixed, so it's been a while since I've had something different. I'm actually getting a bigger throat hit than I'd like, after a 10 minute session of a puff every 30 seconds or less my throat is a little sore. Not sure if it's too much PG, or just too much nicotine at once. I keep saying I'll do a lower nic one to compare, but then I don't because you know, cravings lol.

Also on another topic, one thing that really erks me in the e-juice DIY community is how crude steeping is. Like I'm in this DIY facebook page, and fml. Someone posts a recipe and says to steep it for 6-8 weeks, wtf are you serious, who's going to do this. So it's not the fact that steeping it for that long is an issue (though it is sort of), but is there no science to this? What I mean is if someone says to steep it for 6 weeks in a dark room at say 20C, there should be some connection versus steeping it at 30C until you get the same flavor.

Clearly some reactions happen in that time, so if we measured how much of a certain compound was created, and then ran a test on a hotplate with say a magnetic stir stick, and periodically take samples and check them to compare, we should see how long it takes, and we could make some rough conclusions. But right now there's no science at all, and it makes me unhappy... Maybe it is one of those finer things in life, like good wine and cheese, but I'm not patient enough for it. The other issue is that it becomes impossible to do any kind of science on your recipes if you need to wait at least one week before you can analyze your sample (taste), because you wont remember what the previous one tasted like, and even the one in your bottle from a week before that is the same but 2% more of some flavor will taste different, because it's had another week to steep. It's a big problem, because if you can get feedback on your recipe only once a week, trying to design anything new becomes super annoying. So I guess it surprises me that more science hasn't been done on this, that or I don't know where to look for it. Maybe someone has some insights about how the e-juice companies go about creating their flavors, or any information that can point me in the right direction?

i have a brewer friend, he said steeping processes could take time around 2-4 months
6nnn
nukem1
Profile Joined October 2010
345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 10:58:21
September 27 2017 10:53 GMT
#24
On September 27 2017 09:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
@Nukem1 Just to reply to some questions:
Show nested quote +
"Watch out, I'm gonna blow vapour in your direction..." :/


What, this has happened? Man, if someone said this to me, fuck.

No, that was just a way of painting a more complete picture of what I think when I hear "Vape Nation" )

Regarding the TPD, in the US it's the FDA and federal government that is doing something similar. In the EU, the TPD was a directive voted on in 2014 by the Eu parliament (was supposed to be active starting with 2016 and then was extended to 2017) link here. There are good and bad aspects. My problem with it is that it was based on the reality of the vaping world/industry that has changed completely in these few years. With the new sub-ohm tanks 2 ml is very little, for most tanks in that time it was actually enough.

Some of the good aspects - it brought rules and regulations to a billion dollar industry which had almost no supervision and did things how they wanted (not all, but there were a lot of shoddy manufactures and sellers).
For example: better labeling (forcing liquid manufactures to list ALL their ingredients), banning certain ingredients for liquids (that were not tested enough or not very safe), liquids need to be tested in labs before being released on market, child proof bottles.

The thing is, from my understanding, each country can sort of choose how hard to enforce the TPD and also the way they actually check how shops comply with these standards (which isn't that strict from what I can see).

On a different note, here's my first setup
https://imgur.com/a/v6l8m
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The Delta I on top of the Evic Supreme, both from Joyetech. Looked like a metal dildo, total length is about 20cm without the drip tip lol but it worked just fine (still does). Can't believe this was actually top stuff some years ago, it went to a whooping 30 w ^^.
https://tudorpc.wordpress.com/
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 14:53:19
September 27 2017 14:52 GMT
#25
cmiiw but higher wattage translate to thicker smokes and deeper throat kicks right?

cuz my mod can goes all the way to 150w (i vape on 60-65w) but i somehow still cant get those thick ass smokes that vape trickers (?) usually get when they take a hit despite sucking it for like 2-3 seconds.

also regarding e liquids, how does one determine that an e-liquid is "safe" to use and will not likely cause any shitty side effects? cuz last time i heard it became an issue in fda health regulations or something
Keep moving forward
nukem1
Profile Joined October 2010
345 Posts
September 27 2017 15:58 GMT
#26
On September 27 2017 23:52 neozxa wrote:
cmiiw but higher wattage translate to thicker smokes and deeper throat kicks right?

higher wattage means more power going through the wire heating it up faster and vapourizing more liquid thus giving more "clouds" (simplified answer)
side note: most coils have a recommended range (usually stamped on them), going (far) above will usually make it an unpleasant experience - very hot vape, burnt liquid taste, burnt cotton taste, metallic taste

the harsh throat sensation is usually from nicotine
cuz my mod can goes all the way to 150w (i vape on 60-65w) but i somehow still cant get those thick ass smokes that vape trickers (?) usually get when they take a hit despite sucking it for like 2-3 seconds.

it's not just about watts, there are many variables here: mod, tank, coil, liquid (pg-vg ratio), pull time
if you could share your setup, people could easier give tips
also regarding e liquids, how does one determine that an e-liquid is "safe" to use and will not likely cause any shitty side effects? cuz last time i heard it became an issue in fda health regulations or something

best way is to use well known brands and sellers. do a little research (just google the liquid/manufacturer, you will most likely get a lot of reviews cuz people like to give their opinion on everything ) )
side note: some people have a sensitivity to PG and might have issues with high PG ratio juices

https://tudorpc.wordpress.com/
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 18:05:27
September 27 2017 18:04 GMT
#27
On September 28 2017 00:58 nukem1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 23:52 neozxa wrote:
cmiiw but higher wattage translate to thicker smokes and deeper throat kicks right?

higher wattage means more power going through the wire heating it up faster and vapourizing more liquid thus giving more "clouds" (simplified answer)
side note: most coils have a recommended range (usually stamped on them), going (far) above will usually make it an unpleasant experience - very hot vape, burnt liquid taste, burnt cotton taste, metallic taste

the harsh throat sensation is usually from nicotine
Show nested quote +
cuz my mod can goes all the way to 150w (i vape on 60-65w) but i somehow still cant get those thick ass smokes that vape trickers (?) usually get when they take a hit despite sucking it for like 2-3 seconds.

it's not just about watts, there are many variables here: mod, tank, coil, liquid (pg-vg ratio), pull time
if you could share your setup, people could easier give tips
Show nested quote +
also regarding e liquids, how does one determine that an e-liquid is "safe" to use and will not likely cause any shitty side effects? cuz last time i heard it became an issue in fda health regulations or something

best way is to use well known brands and sellers. do a little research (just google the liquid/manufacturer, you will most likely get a lot of reviews cuz people like to give their opinion on everything ) )
side note: some people have a sensitivity to PG and might have issues with high PG ratio juices


i am using an evic VTC dual with a local rda atomizer called Goon RDA. my current coils are at 0.25 ohm and as i stated earlier i usually vape at 60 watts.

currently im using a local eliquid called hypejuice which has a 60/40 vg/pg and has menthol and 3mg of nicotine infused in it.

i want to get into coiling my own vapes but i think i need a good grasp on what exactly im doing beforehand lmao, all this time i just go to a local vape bar and get it coiled up for like 1 usd.
Keep moving forward
nukem1
Profile Joined October 2010
345 Posts
September 27 2017 19:34 GMT
#28
On September 28 2017 03:04 neozxa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 00:58 nukem1 wrote:
On September 27 2017 23:52 neozxa wrote:
cmiiw but higher wattage translate to thicker smokes and deeper throat kicks right?

higher wattage means more power going through the wire heating it up faster and vapourizing more liquid thus giving more "clouds" (simplified answer)
side note: most coils have a recommended range (usually stamped on them), going (far) above will usually make it an unpleasant experience - very hot vape, burnt liquid taste, burnt cotton taste, metallic taste

the harsh throat sensation is usually from nicotine
cuz my mod can goes all the way to 150w (i vape on 60-65w) but i somehow still cant get those thick ass smokes that vape trickers (?) usually get when they take a hit despite sucking it for like 2-3 seconds.

it's not just about watts, there are many variables here: mod, tank, coil, liquid (pg-vg ratio), pull time
if you could share your setup, people could easier give tips
also regarding e liquids, how does one determine that an e-liquid is "safe" to use and will not likely cause any shitty side effects? cuz last time i heard it became an issue in fda health regulations or something

best way is to use well known brands and sellers. do a little research (just google the liquid/manufacturer, you will most likely get a lot of reviews cuz people like to give their opinion on everything ) )
side note: some people have a sensitivity to PG and might have issues with high PG ratio juices


i am using an evic VTC dual with a local rda atomizer called Goon RDA. my current coils are at 0.25 ohm and as i stated earlier i usually vape at 60 watts.

currently im using a local eliquid called hypejuice which has a 60/40 vg/pg and has menthol and 3mg of nicotine infused in it.

i want to get into coiling my own vapes but i think i need a good grasp on what exactly im doing beforehand lmao, all this time i just go to a local vape bar and get it coiled up for like 1 usd.


Your gear is pretty good, the Goon is actually a very nice dripper.
I googled that hyperjuice juice and is seems to be a reputable brand.
Regarding more cloud production, there are a couple of things you could try. One simple thing would be try a higher VG juice if you can find, 70/30 maybe even higher. (Things to know, if you see somewhere "Max Vg" - max VG doesn't mean 100% vg, it varies depending on vendor, it's 80 or 85 %vg in most cases, might go to 90%)
I don't know how you vape but you could try to chain a couple of puffs (the coil won't have cooled between pulls so it will be hotter and produce a bit more vapour) - just take it easy and in small increments, test it out (don't go full force)
Since I can't tell how your coil looks I cannot comment on what to change there but another trick is the bigger/larger the coil (more wraps, bigger diameter) the more surface area to heat the juice resulting in more clouds.
Lastly, if your vape is not to hot, you could try to go a bit higher in watts, take small steps - a 3-5 watts, take a couple of puffs, see how it feels, repeat (again, increase in small increments and stop if it feels too hot or has a strange flavour).
Hope something helps and pls tell us the results ^^

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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-30 05:17:47
September 30 2017 05:16 GMT
#29
I get massive clouds at 40 watts, can't really see the point in going higher.

Also, I was only a casual smoker but I went for 12 mg juice because I figured then i would have to smoke less to get a nicotine hit.I hope I haven't created a massive addiction for myself lol.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
September 30 2017 21:25 GMT
#30
On September 30 2017 14:16 tomatriedes wrote:
I get massive clouds at 40 watts, can't really see the point in going higher.

Also, I was only a casual smoker but I went for 12 mg juice because I figured then i would have to smoke less to get a nicotine hit.I hope I haven't created a massive addiction for myself lol.


It's quite high, really depends on how much you end up vaping. If you're sitting at the computer with it in your hand for a few hours a day, I think you'll build a physical dependence. I think it's better to see how much you vape, and then choose concentration from there, rather than control how many puffs per day you'll take.

Also if you're making your own juice, nicotine salts will give you a larger nicotine hit than freebase, due to its lower half-life in the body.

Anyway, I like to be in a position where I'm not suffering if I'm not vaping for half a day, or two days, I don't think that'd be possible for me at 12mg. But there's nothing too harmful to getting addicted to nicotine, much like getting addicted to eating really tasty food, just my opinion.
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nukem1
Profile Joined October 2010
345 Posts
October 02 2017 11:35 GMT
#31
Here's my current setup
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Ijoy RDTA 5, single coil ohming at 0.49, kanthal a1, 28ga, twisted wire (3x) on top of Evic vt, vaping at around 20watts
yes, I get a lot of vapour, even at that low wattage
I'm using some vape-mail liquid which reminds me, have you tried any prescription boxes? This vape-mail juice has been pretty good, have also tried Zamplebox.

I moslty use high VG liquids, have never had any problems (it can cause issues with wicking in some tanks since it's thicker than PG)

What I enjoy about vaping and especially rebuilding/diy side is the customisation. Since preferences are subjective, I can have it which way I like. I can add or switch flavours easily, I can go for more clouds or more intense flavour with small tweaks, can make it warmer or colder, depending or mood, there's a lot to play with.

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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 05:20:15
October 03 2017 05:11 GMT
#32
Smoked for 20 years, stopped 14 days ago thanks to vaping.

Started with an Aspire Zelos kit (Nautilus 2 tank), sadly got a shitty one that leaked and gurgled like mad, was so stressed that i almost went back to fags. Went ahead and gave the Nautilus Mini a try, works a treat. Firing 1.9 ohms at 12w, works as it should.

Already went way overboard by ordering today: Smoant Charon 218 TS (Wood trim!), a Kayfun Mini v3, a Vandy Vape Kylin, a Cubis 2, Wotofo Serpent SMM and well, a Doggystyle 2k16. Next to a Coil Master Rebuild Kit and other niggly bits like atomiser stands etc.

Can say that vaping enabled me to stop smoking, 10/10. Need to read into stuff now in regards to coil making, what wire to use for MTL setups like the Kayfun etc blabla, it's not entirely what i'd call "uncomplicated" once you jump into the deeper end.

edit: in regards to nicotine, it depends on the atomiser as well, i figured. My Nautilus 2 went through 6ml easily per day (mostly due to leaking, so maybe not necessarily a good comparison). With my non-leaking Nautilus Mini i have a good comparison though, i go through roughly 2ml juice per day with that. That's 24mg nicotine per full tank. A normal cigarette has roughly 1mg nicotine, so 1-1, it'd be 24 fags a day which is roughly what i've smoked before (little bit less).

But, here's the important part, nicotine in vapour isn't absorbed as "efficiently" as from a cigarette. If you'd manage to puff 1ml in one drag, that doesn't mean you now absorbed 12mg of nicotine. It's more around 50ish percent that you absorb.

edit2: should mention, i like "stealth vaping" - i use it as a smoking replacement, my wife as "snacking" (for the lack of a better term, flavour basically). No cloud chasing allowed, because (that's just my opinion), it looks absolutely idiotic.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 23:43:10
October 03 2017 21:28 GMT
#33
On October 03 2017 14:11 m4ini wrote:
Smoked for 20 years, stopped 14 days ago thanks to vaping.

Started with an Aspire Zelos kit (Nautilus 2 tank), sadly got a shitty one that leaked and gurgled like mad, was so stressed that i almost went back to fags. Went ahead and gave the Nautilus Mini a try, works a treat. Firing 1.9 ohms at 12w, works as it should.

Already went way overboard by ordering today: Smoant Charon 218 TS (Wood trim!), a Kayfun Mini v3, a Vandy Vape Kylin, a Cubis 2, Wotofo Serpent SMM and well, a Doggystyle 2k16. Next to a Coil Master Rebuild Kit and other niggly bits like atomiser stands etc.

Can say that vaping enabled me to stop smoking, 10/10. Need to read into stuff now in regards to coil making, what wire to use for MTL setups like the Kayfun etc blabla, it's not entirely what i'd call "uncomplicated" once you jump into the deeper end.

edit: in regards to nicotine, it depends on the atomiser as well, i figured. My Nautilus 2 went through 6ml easily per day (mostly due to leaking, so maybe not necessarily a good comparison). With my non-leaking Nautilus Mini i have a good comparison though, i go through roughly 2ml juice per day with that. That's 24mg nicotine per full tank. A normal cigarette has roughly 1mg nicotine, so 1-1, it'd be 24 fags a day which is roughly what i've smoked before (little bit less).

But, here's the important part, nicotine in vapour isn't absorbed as "efficiently" as from a cigarette. If you'd manage to puff 1ml in one drag, that doesn't mean you now absorbed 12mg of nicotine. It's more around 50ish percent that you absorb.

edit2: should mention, i like "stealth vaping" - i use it as a smoking replacement, my wife as "snacking" (for the lack of a better term, flavour basically). No cloud chasing allowed, because (that's just my opinion), it looks absolutely idiotic.


Most things I've read say that you absorb 0.9-1mg per cigarette and it's a lot more than 50% in vaping. When the technology wasn't developed very well 5-10 years ago, around 50% was the case. It's closer to 70-85% for
Sub-ohm nowadays.

Congrats on quitting, keep it up!
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james1024
Profile Blog Joined March 2017
118 Posts
October 03 2017 22:03 GMT
#34
I have a nice vape.

It is a smok-little cute red guy for about 80$.

But I am still smoking cigs.

I have marlboro madness. It's a problem.

Maybe I need to up my juice from 3mg to 6??? Maybe that would help?

But when I'm in a good mood, it just is so nice to smoke my beloved cigarettes...
Please help me, my old friend won't see me anymore because he doesn't want his 3-year-old daughter to see smoking.

Everyone hates smokers very much too, more than any other drug.

I want to relax with my nice little vape, but it's getting dusty..
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10644 Posts
October 03 2017 22:05 GMT
#35
Your friend is a moron.
Vape culture is the mother of all add scams (smokers want to stop, there is this product that helps but is kinda healthy/not killing you...).
If it helps you stop smoking, vaping is ok.

All else, rofl, its just sad, really, really sad.

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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 23:40:48
October 03 2017 23:05 GMT
#36
On October 04 2017 07:03 james1024 wrote:
I have a nice vape.

It is a smok-little cute red guy for about 80$.

But I am still smoking cigs.

I have marlboro madness. It's a problem.

Maybe I need to up my juice from 3mg to 6??? Maybe that would help?

But when I'm in a good mood, it just is so nice to smoke my beloved cigarettes...
Please help me, my old friend won't see me anymore because he doesn't want his 3-year-old daughter to see smoking.

Everyone hates smokers very much too, more than any other drug.

I want to relax with my nice little vape, but it's getting dusty..


3mg is way too little for a serious smoker.

How many cigarettes / day? What wattage, and how much juice per day were you vaping?

Start at 6mg at bare minimum in your case, but 12 (and even 18 if you had serious smoking addiction) is acceptable too. Once you get in the vaping habit, and not carrying a lighter or cigarettes with you, it's much easier to stick with it and go down in nicotine and not go back to smoking. When you lower nicotine levels, you might vape a bit more liquid at first, but over time your body naturally goes down to the volume you were at before.

Because if you're working and have breaks, you can only vape so much, when you're home you can only vape so much since you also have things to do. Essentially it's a continuously light push to lower your nicotine intake, and one that isn't overwhelming. Take it steady, start higher if you have to. At the incremental decreases I have in mind, I believe even the heaviest smokers can be at 0 nicotine in 3-6 months if that's their goal with very little discomfort. I think that's little time relative to our lives, and so there's no reason to rush it even more and make an instantaneous jump. Do it right the first time.

You can also buy some nicotine salts: https://thebrokevaper.ca/shop/flavourless-salt-base/
They have a nic absorption profile far more similar to cigarettes, and you can spike your e-liquids with them. Shake well, let them sit for a day and good to go.

@Velr Prefer if you didn't post here. This is a thread about vaping, you come here and agree that health effects aren't particularly negative... And then just saying vaping is stupid.

It's like me going to the fountain pen thread and saying fountain pens are stupid, or men's fashion thread and calling men's fashion stupid, going to a fan club and calling that person stupid, etc. You'd surely get a warning. I'm all for substantiated claims that vaping is very unhealthy (since that will give me something to think about), or statistics showing that people who vape commit more homicides (assuming it's a legit study).

But people sharing their negative feelings about vaping does nothing for the thread.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-04 00:03:32
October 03 2017 23:41 GMT
#37
On October 04 2017 06:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2017 14:11 m4ini wrote:
Smoked for 20 years, stopped 14 days ago thanks to vaping.

Started with an Aspire Zelos kit (Nautilus 2 tank), sadly got a shitty one that leaked and gurgled like mad, was so stressed that i almost went back to fags. Went ahead and gave the Nautilus Mini a try, works a treat. Firing 1.9 ohms at 12w, works as it should.

Already went way overboard by ordering today: Smoant Charon 218 TS (Wood trim!), a Kayfun Mini v3, a Vandy Vape Kylin, a Cubis 2, Wotofo Serpent SMM and well, a Doggystyle 2k16. Next to a Coil Master Rebuild Kit and other niggly bits like atomiser stands etc.

Can say that vaping enabled me to stop smoking, 10/10. Need to read into stuff now in regards to coil making, what wire to use for MTL setups like the Kayfun etc blabla, it's not entirely what i'd call "uncomplicated" once you jump into the deeper end.

edit: in regards to nicotine, it depends on the atomiser as well, i figured. My Nautilus 2 went through 6ml easily per day (mostly due to leaking, so maybe not necessarily a good comparison). With my non-leaking Nautilus Mini i have a good comparison though, i go through roughly 2ml juice per day with that. That's 24mg nicotine per full tank. A normal cigarette has roughly 1mg nicotine, so 1-1, it'd be 24 fags a day which is roughly what i've smoked before (little bit less).

But, here's the important part, nicotine in vapour isn't absorbed as "efficiently" as from a cigarette. If you'd manage to puff 1ml in one drag, that doesn't mean you now absorbed 12mg of nicotine. It's more around 50ish percent that you absorb.

edit2: should mention, i like "stealth vaping" - i use it as a smoking replacement, my wife as "snacking" (for the lack of a better term, flavour basically). No cloud chasing allowed, because (that's just my opinion), it looks absolutely idiotic.


Most things I've read say that you absorb 0.9-1mg per cigarette and it's a lot more than 50% in vaping. When the technology wasn't developed very well 5-10 years ago, around 50% was the case. It's closer to 70-85% for
Sub-ohm nowadays.

Congrats on quitting, keep it up.


Not according to this here.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep04133

Yes, it's higher than it was on the first generation e-cigs etc, but still nowhere near actual smoking.

Now, they wouldn't have checked sub ohm vaping, because realistically, it's irrelevant. If we're talking nicotine levels, we're talking someone using it as a smoke-replacement (stealth, smoke-like), and sub ohm is not that - not even remotely. MTL RTAs all have one thing in common, high resistance and highly restrictive airflow (to "accurately" simulate a smoke).

Note, i'm not bashing sub ohming or anything, i'm just saying that sub ohming for nicotine is the same as drinking methadone for heroin addicts. Maybe not entirely, but i guess you understand what i'm trying to say. I just recently stopped smoking, and certainly ordered a few RTAs now including a second mod (and already looking at squonkers and RDA/RDTAs) already, but i'd never smoke nicotine in those. That's just me though, for my nicotine habit i'm still going to use the Nautilus Mini, possibly the Kayfun Mini V3 once i have it (and works decently).

Don't trust me on this though, ask any (decent) reviewer on youtube, who all still use MTL setups for "fag replacement" - next to their drippers etc.

I'm all for substantiated claims that vaping is very unhealthy (since that will give me something to think about), or statistics showing that people who vape commit more homicides (assuming it's a legit study).


That's the one thing i'd like to see too - actual, science based (not guesswork by some moron) research on health risks, especially compared to actual smoking (not things like "VG makes you shit your brains out! It's a laxative!!1"). Even better with long term studies. For me personally, my sense of smell after 20 years seems to be improving a lot - it feels a bit like a newly gifted super power, it's quite the ridiculous sensation.

edit: in regards to TPD btw, since i live in the UK, and have family/friends in germany, it's EU-wide. It's correct that legally you can only sell 2ml tanks. Doesn't impact me, most tanks actually come with a second glass for the tank, considerably bigger. Not that i need it, 2ml carries me through most of the day, but alas. Most shops don't give a shit anyway, some even suggest simply ordering from fasttech and the sorts. It's a mess anyways, because the restrictions (all restrictions) only count for things that contain nicotine. A freshly bought tank does not. It could, obviously, but it could also be bought by a cloud chaser who's using it without nicotine. Most "big" names such as Aspire, if they don't include the bigger glass already, offer things like this here. http://evapo.co.uk/accessories/aspire-nautilus-x-adapter.html

No idea about the legality, but it certainly is an option. Another option is simply using RTAs, which are a grey area under the law. My Vandy Vape Kylin for example comes stock with a 6ml tank.

[quote]For advanced vapers there is also the option of using RDTAs and RTAs that hold more than 2ml of E-Liquid. Whether or not they are subject to TPD is still a grey area despite the law already being in place. Some manufacturers are working around it by supplying the tank with a 2 ml capacity glass and including an extension glass with the kit.

The Vandy Vape Kylin RTA for example comes with a 6ml chimney and Pyrex glass!/quote]

So yeah.. The only real restriction that TPD places (although still work-aroundable) is the limit on size of bottles that include nicotine (10ml). I make my own, so that doesn't matter to me either.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-04 01:08:57
October 03 2017 23:58 GMT
#38
On October 04 2017 08:41 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2017 06:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On October 03 2017 14:11 m4ini wrote:
Smoked for 20 years, stopped 14 days ago thanks to vaping.

Started with an Aspire Zelos kit (Nautilus 2 tank), sadly got a shitty one that leaked and gurgled like mad, was so stressed that i almost went back to fags. Went ahead and gave the Nautilus Mini a try, works a treat. Firing 1.9 ohms at 12w, works as it should.

Already went way overboard by ordering today: Smoant Charon 218 TS (Wood trim!), a Kayfun Mini v3, a Vandy Vape Kylin, a Cubis 2, Wotofo Serpent SMM and well, a Doggystyle 2k16. Next to a Coil Master Rebuild Kit and other niggly bits like atomiser stands etc.

Can say that vaping enabled me to stop smoking, 10/10. Need to read into stuff now in regards to coil making, what wire to use for MTL setups like the Kayfun etc blabla, it's not entirely what i'd call "uncomplicated" once you jump into the deeper end.

edit: in regards to nicotine, it depends on the atomiser as well, i figured. My Nautilus 2 went through 6ml easily per day (mostly due to leaking, so maybe not necessarily a good comparison). With my non-leaking Nautilus Mini i have a good comparison though, i go through roughly 2ml juice per day with that. That's 24mg nicotine per full tank. A normal cigarette has roughly 1mg nicotine, so 1-1, it'd be 24 fags a day which is roughly what i've smoked before (little bit less).

But, here's the important part, nicotine in vapour isn't absorbed as "efficiently" as from a cigarette. If you'd manage to puff 1ml in one drag, that doesn't mean you now absorbed 12mg of nicotine. It's more around 50ish percent that you absorb.

edit2: should mention, i like "stealth vaping" - i use it as a smoking replacement, my wife as "snacking" (for the lack of a better term, flavour basically). No cloud chasing allowed, because (that's just my opinion), it looks absolutely idiotic.


Most things I've read say that you absorb 0.9-1mg per cigarette and it's a lot more than 50% in vaping. When the technology wasn't developed very well 5-10 years ago, around 50% was the case. It's closer to 70-85% for
Sub-ohm nowadays.

Congrats on quitting, keep it up.


Not according to this here.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep04133

Yes, it's higher than it was on the first generation e-cigs etc, but still nowhere near actual smoking.

Now, they wouldn't have checked sub ohm vaping, because realistically, it's irrelevant. If we're talking nicotine levels, we're talking someone using it as a smoke-replacement (stealth, smoke-like), and sub ohm is not that - not even remotely. MTL RTAs all have one thing in common, high resistance and highly restrictive airflow (to "accurately" simulate a smoke).

Note, i'm not bashing sub ohming or anything, i'm just saying that sub ohming for nicotine is the same as drinking methadone for heroin addicts. Maybe not entirely, but i guess you understand what i'm trying to say. I just recently stopped smoking, and certainly ordered a few RTAs now including a second mod (and already looking at squonkers and RDA/RDTAs) already, but i'd never smoke nicotine in those. That's just me though, for my nicotine habit i'm still going to use the Nautilus Mini, possibly the Kayfun Mini V3 once i have it (and works decently).

Don't trust me on this though, ask any (decent) reviewer on youtube, who all still use MTL setups for "fag replacement" - next to their drippers etc.

Show nested quote +
I'm all for substantiated claims that vaping is very unhealthy (since that will give me something to think about), or statistics showing that people who vape commit more homicides (assuming it's a legit study).


That's the one thing i'd like to see too - actual, science based (not guesswork by some moron) research on health risks, especially compared to actual smoking. Even better with long term studies.


I have maybe 10 pals who I am okay friends with, and we all switched from smoking right into sub-ohm vaping. It wasn't a conscious decision to create as much smoke as possible... It was a let's see what's popular and good quality, and this is what we will get.

I don't see why sub-ohm is not a smoking replacement. It satisfies cravings, gives your hands something to do when you're bored, gives me things to do if my coworkers go out for a smoke and not feel left out, and am able to go and socialize (yeah yeah, I know). I'm able to adjust power until it burns my throat enough (though I liked shisha for a while, and so I prefer a very smooth inhale, never smoked for that throat hit). But anyway, your assessment of a smoking replacement is that in every way it behaves like a traditional cigarette, I don't think that's fair, because for example a nicotine patch is nothing like a cigarette yet still considered a cigarette replacement.

And heck, on pretty much any decent sub-ohm you're able to adjust airflow to make it very restrictive, as well as lower voltage until it behaves very similarly to a cigarette. You don't in fact need high resistance. Combine ohm's law with p=vi, and you get P=i^2*R, solve for R = P/i^2 set desired power and maximum battery current of batteries (say 20A for single batteries, can be 30A for some batteries) R = 20W/(20A)^2

0.05ohms, so if you want to mimic a cigarette (which pretty much always is 20W or less), you could do it with a 0.05ohm coil. If you want less power, you'd lower to voltage which would lower the voltage, which would lower the current. I think the only thing that stops you from making it work perfectly is that the coils that make lots of clouds will have lots of surface area, and you wont be able to heat the liquid to a high enough temperature to vaporize it or make it hot enough if you run a low (relative to sub-ohm) voltage. So you'd need a coil replacement.

I'm out right now, but I'll re-find some of the studies afterwards.

edit: As for the TPD part of the post, I agree, definitely possible to workaround, but it's wasting money of the taxpayer, creates hassle for the consumers, and the less experienced ones might not know these workarounds for some time.

Also there's some bullshit, like I can chain smoke 10 cigarettes in a row, but now for some reason I can't have 24mg/ml nicotine? The chance of nicotine poisoning is like impossible without drinking it, and high nicotine levels will just taste gross. The law doesn't achieve anything with the 2% nicotine level, and a 1cm long nozzle, what why. Some of it is good imo, like the emissions testing and nicotine warning, but that's about it.

I'm going to post it here for ease of viewing

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An “electronic cigarette” is defined as a product that

can be used for the consumption of nicotine-containing vapour via a mouth piece, or any component of that product, including a cartridge, a tank and the device without cartridge or tank (regardless of whether the product is disposable or refillable by means of a refill container and a tank, or rechargeable with single use cartridges); and
is not a medicinal product or medical device;
Notification about electronic cigarettes and refill containers

A transition period for products not compliant with the TPD will allow them to remain on sale until 20th May 2017. It principally defines:

“a new transitional product”: a product which is not a modified product during the period beginning with 20th May 2016 and ending with 19th November 2016

“an existing product”: a product first supplied before 20th May 2016 that is being supplied on or after 20th November 2016

Annual reporting requirement and submission of information

The Secretary of State is at the center of the process and will receive notifications. Notifications should be submitted through the EU gateway and become valid after paying the notification fee.

In turn, the Secretary of State must ensure that submitted information is made publicly available on a website, taking the need to protect trade secrets duly into account. The Secretary of State must also provide the European Commission and the competent authorities of other member States with access to information submitted in accordance with any provision of this Part on request, ensuring that trade secrets are treated in a confidential manner.

Product requirements

Nicotine-containing liquid which is presented for retail sale must be in
a dedicated refill container in a volume not exceeding 10 millilitres; or
a disposable electronic cigarette, a single use cartridge, or a tank, in a volume not exceeding 2 millilitres.
The capacity of the tank of a refillable electronic cigarette must not exceed 2 millilitres.
Nicotine-containing liquid which is presented for retail sale in an electronic cigarette or refill container must not contain nicotine in excess of 20 milligrams per millilitre.
Nicotine-containing liquid in an electronic cigarette or refill container
must not contain any additive referred to in regulation 16 (no vitamins, colourings or prohibited additives in tobacco products);
must be manufactured using only ingredients of high purity;
must not contain substances other than the ingredients notified under regulation 31, unless present in trace levels, where such trace levels are technically unavoidable during manufacture; and
must not include ingredients (except for nicotine) which pose a risk to human health in heated or unheated form.
An electronic cigarette must be able to deliver a dose of nicotine at consistent levels under normal conditions of use.
An electronic cigarette or refill container must be
child-resistant and tamper-evident; and
protected against breakage and leakage.
An electronic cigarette or refill container must have a mechanism for ensuring re-filling without leakage (unless it is a disposable electronic cigarette).
Product information and labelling requirements

Each unit packet of the electronic cigarette or refill container must include a leaflet with information on:
instructions for use and storage of the product, including a reference that the product is not recommended for use by young people and non-smokers;
contra-indications;
warnings for specific risk groups;
possible adverse effects;
addictiveness and toxicity;
contact details of the producer; and
if the producer is not based in a member State, a contact person within a member State.
Each unit packet and any container pack must include
a list of all ingredients contained in the product set out in descending order by weight;
an indication of the nicotine content of the product and the delivery per dose;
the batch number; and
a recommendation to keep the product out of reach of children.
Each unit packet and any container pack must carry a health warning consisting of the text: “This product contains nicotine which is a highly addictive substance”.
The health warning must
appear on both the front and back surfaces of the unit packet and any container pack;
cover 30% of the area of each of those surfaces, calculated in relation to the area of the surface concerned when the pack is closed;
be in black Helvetica bold type on a white background;
be in a font size which ensures that the text occupies the greatest possible proportion of the surface area reserved for it; and
appear at the centre of that area.
The health warning must be parallel to the main text on the surface concerned.
Product presentation requirement

The unit packet and any container pack of the electronic cigarette or refill container may not include any element or feature that:
promotes an electronic cigarette or refill container, or encourages its consumption by creating an erroneous impression about its characteristics, health effects, risks or emissions;
suggests that a particular electronic cigarette or refill container
is less harmful than other electronic cigarettes or refill containers,
has vitalising, energising, healing, rejuvenating, natural or organic properties, or
has other health or lifestyle benefits;
refers to taste, smell or other additives (except flavourings) or the absence of any such thing;
resembles a food or a cosmetic product; or
suggests that a particular electronic cigarette or refill container has improved biodegradability or other environmental advantages.
The unit pack or container pack in which an electronic cigarette or refill container is, or is intended to be, presented for retail sale may not contain any element or feature which suggests economic advantage by including printed vouchers or offering discounts, free distribution, two-for-one or other similar offers.
Vigilance requirements

A producer of electronic cigarettes or refill containers must establish and maintain a system for collecting information about all of the suspected adverse effects on human health of the product.

In addition to that, a producer can also warn the Secretary of his State or of any other State if he considers that the product he has is not:

safe;
of good quality; or
in conformity with this Part of the Regulations.
The Secretary of State or the competent authority of any other member State may request additional information from a producer of electronic cigarettes or refill containers, including information on the safety and quality aspects or any adverse effects of electronic cigarettes or refill containers.

Action to protect human health

If the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds to believe that an electronic cigarette or refill container, or a type of electronic cigarette or refill container, could present a serious risk to human health.

The Secretary may take appropriate provisional measures to address the risk to human health. The measures include, but are not limited to

prohibiting the supply of the electronic cigarette or refill container, or the type of electronic cigarette or refill container;
requiring each supplier of the electronic cigarette or refill container, or the type of electronic cigarette or refill container, to recall the product.
The Secretary of State may take appropriate follow-up measures to implement any conclusions of the European Commission in relation to the matter. Any producer or supplier of a product that is the subject of a provisional measure or a follow-up measure must comply with the measure insofar as it applies to that producer or supplier.

Electronic cigarette advertising

It means an advertisement with:

the aim of promoting an electronic cigarette or refill container; or
the direct or indirect effect of promoting one.
No advertising of electronic cigarettes in the press (newspaper, periodical or magazine) except:

a newspaper, periodical or magazine which is intended exclusively for professionals in the trade of electronic cigarettes or refill containers; or
a newspaper, periodical or magazine which is printed and published in a third country and is not principally intended for the Union market.
No advertising of electronic cigarettes in information society services. The derogation condition:

necessary for the purposes of public policy, the protection of public health or the protection of consumers (“the objective”);
relates to an information society service that prejudices the objective or presents a serious and grave risk of prejudice to the objective; and
proportionate to the objective.
This does not apply:

to an information society service which is intended exclusively for professionals in the trade of electronic cigarettes or refill containers; or
to an electronic cigarette advertisement which is not principally intended for the Union market.
No sponsorship of events. In this regulation “electronic cigarette sponsorship” means any form of public or private contribution to any event, activity or individual, with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting an electronic cigarette or refill container:

an event or activity which takes place in or has an effect in two or more member States (“a cross-border event or activity”); or
an individual taking part in a cross-border event or activity.
Distance sales to consumers

Cross-border distance sales of tobacco products and electronic cigarettes by foreign companies to UK consumers will continue to be permitted. It requires the person to register with the Secretary of State if he/she is:

a retailer established in the United Kingdom who engages or intends to engage in a crossborder distance sale of a relevant product with a consumer located in any other member State; and
a retailer who is established elsewhere than in the United Kingdom who engages or intends to engage in a cross-border distance sale of a relevant product with a consumer located in the United Kingdom.
A person seeking registration must submit to the Secretary of State the retailer information, the additional information and such other information as the Secretary of State may reasonably require.

The retailer information is:

the retailer’s name;
the retailer’s trading name, if different;
the address of each place of business used by the retailer for the supply of a relevant product;
the date on which the retailer first supplied or, if the retailer has not yet so supplied, intends to supply a relevant product via a cross border distance sale;
the address of any website on which the retailer offers or intends to offer to supply a product, together with any other information required to identify the website; and
a description of the details and functioning of the retailer’s age verification system.
The additional information is:

a confirmation of any registration provided by the competent authority of any member State in which the retailer is registered to supply products via a cross-border distance sale to a consumer located in that member State; and
the name of any other member State to which the retailer has applied, or is intending to apply, for registration.
The Secretary of State must:

provide confirmation of registration to a retailer who complies with paragraph (2);
publish a list of retailers registered with the Secretary of State.
A cross-border distance sale can only be concluded if:

the retailer has received confirmation of registration from the Secretary of State and from the competent authority of any member State in which the consumer is located or in which the retailer is established;
the retailer operates an age verification system; and
prior to, or at the time of sale, the retailer’s age verification system confirms that the consumer’s age is not lower than the minimum age applicable for the purchase of the product in the member State in which the consumer is located.
A retailer must not supply a relevant product via a cross-border distance sale to a consumer located in a member State in which cross-border distances sales are prohibited in accordance with Article 18(1) of the Tobacco Products Directive.

Penalties and enforcement

Guilty of an offence:

breaches any provision of Part 6 (electronic cigarettes) except regulations 32(5) (annual reporting requirement) and 34 (Secretary of State duty to publish notifications);
breaches any provision of regulations 42, 43 or 44 (advertising and sponsorship); or
supplies a product in breach of regulation 47 (cross border distance sales of tobacco products and electronic cigarettes etc.).
Is guilty of an offence a producer or retailer who provides information to a person pursuant to any obligation in these Regulations if

the information is false or misleading in a material particular; and
the producer or retailer who provides the information either knows it to be false or misleading in a material particular, or is reckless as to whether it is false or misleading in a material particular.
Penalties. A person guilty of an offence under these Regulations is liable

on summary conviction:
in England and Wales to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months, or a fine or both, or
in Scotland, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months, or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both;
in Northern Ireland, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months, or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both; or
on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years, or a fine, or both.
Enforcement. It is the duty of each weights and measures authority in Great Britain and each district council in Northern Ireland to enforce these Regulations within their area.

In determining how to comply with paragraph (1) in relation to regulations 42 and 43 (electronic cigarette advertising), every enforcement authority must have regard to the desirability of encouraging control of advertising by such established means as it considers appropriate, having regard to all the circumstances of the particular case.

source: https://www.vapingpost.com/2016/04/22/uk-detailed-tpd-implementation-plan/


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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-04 02:14:20
October 04 2017 02:07 GMT
#39
No argument in regards to the TPD, it does nothing but hassle people.

In regards to replacement, every single person i know trying to stop smoking with nic-patches went back to fags. Smoking is as much a habit as it is a physical addiction. I smoked for 20 years, i can't do DTL. I have a mod sitting here with a Serpent SSM, i can't. It's not smoking. Arguing that it is, is kinda denying reality - DTL has nothing to do with smoking. That's why MTL setups exist in the first place (even if they're getting rare, with only 2-3 RTAs releasing in the next 2 months).

I'm glad you figured that your idea of using a 0.05 ohms coil is kinda pointless, because it wouldn't work. To fire at 20W (which btw is 6 watts higher than the maximum that my coils can run on, and almost double what i'm actually firing at), you need: a mod able to fire 0.05 ohms in the first place. Most don't. Of the few that do, most only do it in TC, but not VW. Lets assume you have a regulated mod that does allow it, you're firing the coil at a whopping volt. A single one. This will not produce any vapour unless you're trying to fire it on the sun. And that already draws 20A.

Now, there is a method of firing it, and that's a mechanical mod. That mechanical mod will draw 84amps. I don't need to elaborate what happens then.

And if all this doesn't happen, and you find a regulated mod that fires a 0.05 ohm coil in BM, it will 100% shut off really quick with a "device too hot" error because the batteries are still melting. Especially 18650s, which is the "go to" cell for any average joe including me. Or if you're using a wonky chipset, i't just shut off because it detected a dead short.

I'm sorry if i come off like an asshat (i recently stopped smoking, hehe, might be partially the reason), but that suggestion is A not working, B highly dangerous if used in the wrong device. There's a reason why these types of coils do not exist outside of competitions, and especially not in any MTL setup.

Again. I'm not bashing sub ohming, if you like it, all the power to you. I'm telling you that as someone who already smoked before quite a few people here were born, DTL doesn't do it for me, nor for my mother in law. It does not satisfy the habit. Also, forgot to mention, with high airflow RTAs, if you restrict them so much and have a "hard" drag on them, you'll flood them immediately. Hell i've flooded a dedicated MTL tank with BVC coils that way.

If you stopped smoking by switching to sub ohming, you could've also stopped smoking by getting a fidget spinner and a nic patch, maybe bubble gum. Something i could not (as much as it sucks to admit).

edit: jeez, i'm not trying to be offensive, that's reserved for other people here. Reads like it, but wasn't supposed to.
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Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
October 04 2017 03:07 GMT
#40
On October 04 2017 11:07 m4ini wrote:
No argument in regards to the TPD, it does nothing but hassle people.

In regards to replacement, every single person i know trying to stop smoking with nic-patches went back to fags. Smoking is as much a habit as it is a physical addiction. I smoked for 20 years, i can't do DTL. I have a mod sitting here with a Serpent SSM, i can't. It's not smoking. Arguing that it is, is kinda denying reality - DTL has nothing to do with smoking. That's why MTL setups exist in the first place (even if they're getting rare, with only 2-3 RTAs releasing in the next 2 months).

I'm glad you figured that your idea of using a 0.05 ohms coil is kinda pointless, because it wouldn't work. To fire at 20W (which btw is 6 watts higher than the maximum that my coils can run on, and almost double what i'm actually firing at), you need: a mod able to fire 0.05 ohms in the first place. Most don't. Of the few that do, most only do it in TC, but not VW. Lets assume you have a regulated mod that does allow it, you're firing the coil at a whopping volt. A single one. This will not produce any vapour unless you're trying to fire it on the sun. And that already draws 20A.

Now, there is a method of firing it, and that's a mechanical mod. That mechanical mod will draw 84amps. I don't need to elaborate what happens then.

And if all this doesn't happen, and you find a regulated mod that fires a 0.05 ohm coil in BM, it will 100% shut off really quick with a "device too hot" error because the batteries are still melting. Especially 18650s, which is the "go to" cell for any average joe including me. Or if you're using a wonky chipset, i't just shut off because it detected a dead short.

I'm sorry if i come off like an asshat (i recently stopped smoking, hehe, might be partially the reason), but that suggestion is A not working, B highly dangerous if used in the wrong device. There's a reason why these types of coils do not exist outside of competitions, and especially not in any MTL setup.

Again. I'm not bashing sub ohming, if you like it, all the power to you. I'm telling you that as someone who already smoked before quite a few people here were born, DTL doesn't do it for me, nor for my mother in law. It does not satisfy the habit. Also, forgot to mention, with high airflow RTAs, if you restrict them so much and have a "hard" drag on them, you'll flood them immediately. Hell i've flooded a dedicated MTL tank with BVC coils that way.

If you stopped smoking by switching to sub ohming, you could've also stopped smoking by getting a fidget spinner and a nic patch, maybe bubble gum. Something i could not (as much as it sucks to admit).

edit: jeez, i'm not trying to be offensive, that's reserved for other people here. Reads like it, but wasn't supposed to.



Well, i guess the main point here is, take what´s working for you best and be happy you found it.
Everybody has their own preferences and vaping allows us to customize it the way we want, that´s so great about it imo.
I couldn´t do direct lung either, but if you´re used to smoking shisha, i guess you can handle it way better from the get go.

But on another note, since you said, you´re using a Nautilus mini, how long are your coils lasting?
I´m currently using 1.6 and 1.8 ohm coils at 12W in my Nautilus (the big one with 5 ml tank) none of them lasted longer than a good week before tasting burned....i vape around 4-5 ml per day and always prime them before using and let them sit in the full tank for 15 mins before vaping.

That´s kinda annoying, not sure if i´m just doing something wrong or they just don´t last longer.
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