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On July 23 2016 09:49 Nyxisto wrote:
what I also think is really scary is how people were essentially reporting fake shootings and attacks the whole evening while the guy was dead for hours. Modern communications amplifies this stuff by a factor of ten.
Actually, the Stachus shooting could've been the shots from the parking lot roof. Apparently (according to reddit etc) people panicked at Stachus when they heard shots, so they called that in.
That's where the alleged second shooting came from. So, at least some of this, is actually understandable. I just hope they find the fake facebook fucker. Although i assume that was the guy in the first place.
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On July 23 2016 09:50 plasmidghost wrote:
What needs to happen is that anyone who wants to immigrate needs to be thoroughly vetted: Do they benefit society, do they share the society's values, and whatever, but that's kinda off-topic for this thread
I don't see how that solves anything. Wasn't this attacker born in Germany?
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On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:
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You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society To clarify, it doesn't have to be purely based on ethnicity, a society needs its people to have something they all share, like religion, beliefs, background, etc.
Exactly this, without going too political, I wish everyone who supports immigration would see this perspective of the other side before calling them rude words. At least I think that this is the perspective of most.
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On July 23 2016 09:45 m4ini wrote:Wow that was a dumb question.. "Usually we see more injured than dead, now it's 50/50 (paraphrased) - did he use special ammunition?" Show nested quote +I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society
God the US must suck according to you people, considering that you're one of the most multicultural countries in the world. In fact, literally founded and built by a multicultural society of immigrants from all over europe.
I don't like the US for a lot of reasons (I like it in theory), but that's not really one of them
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On July 23 2016 09:49 zatic wrote:
(Lots of stupid questions where all the police pres has to say is "that has to wait for the investigation to finish)
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On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:
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It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify).
Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter".
Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad.
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That's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia.
All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years).
Im perfectly fine with that. As ive said before its not all about economic growth. I'm full in favor of having dramatic measures of increasing your own populations natallity before reaching out for immigrants.
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On July 23 2016 09:51 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:50 plasmidghost wrote:
What needs to happen is that anyone who wants to immigrate needs to be thoroughly vetted: Do they benefit society, do they share the society's values, and whatever, but that's kinda off-topic for this thread I don't see how that solves anything. Wasn't this attacker born in Germany?
In this case, I would also argue that the government should screen every single one of its citizens for things like severe mental disorders, sociopathic tendencies, etc. and give them the help they need. It'd be a long-term goal but I think it could've helped in this case
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On July 23 2016 09:52 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:
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All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years). Im perfectly fine with that. As ive said before its not all about economic growth. I'm full in favor of having dramatic measures of increasing your own populations natallity than outright reaching for immigrants.
Force people to fuck and get kids?
Anyway. Could we steer clear of this retarded discussion that literally has nothing to do with what happened here?
In this case, I would also argue that the government should screen every single one of its citizens for things like severe mental disorders, sociopathic tendencies, etc. and give them the help they need. It'd be a long-term goal but I think it could've helped in this case
/facepalm
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On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:
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It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify).
Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter".
Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad.
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That's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia.
All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years).
That's a rather shallow analysis.
Firstly, it's not like this problem is unsolvable. Second, if you want to talk immigration, look at labour force participation. Bringing in immigrants for economic reasons is like taking out a 20% annual interest loan, and spirals into an endless cycle once you realize that then the immigrants will want to bring in their older families and not reproduce as quickly either. Even economically a very short term focused plan.
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On July 23 2016 09:51 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:50 plasmidghost wrote:
What needs to happen is that anyone who wants to immigrate needs to be thoroughly vetted: Do they benefit society, do they share the society's values, and whatever, but that's kinda off-topic for this thread I don't see how that solves anything. Wasn't this attacker born in Germany?
Unclear, only that he was a citizen.
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On July 23 2016 09:42 m4ini wrote:
And why's nobody asking about the big backpack?
There was a question about whether they found weapons in the backpack, the answer was 'no weapons with a barrel' (i.e. guns) so not really an exhaustive answer.
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On July 23 2016 09:55 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:51 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 23 2016 09:50 plasmidghost wrote:
What needs to happen is that anyone who wants to immigrate needs to be thoroughly vetted: Do they benefit society, do they share the society's values, and whatever, but that's kinda off-topic for this thread I don't see how that solves anything. Wasn't this attacker born in Germany? Unclear, only that he was a citizen.
He said in the roof video that he was born in germany, so it's safe to assume for now that he got german citizenship by birth, not by application (which would be rare for an 18 year old iranian) - and his german actually was pretty good, as in almost native including accent.
There was a question about whether they found weapons in the backpack, the answer was 'no weapons with a barrel' (i.e. guns) so not really an exhaustive answer.
Must've missed that, i heard them saying that he only used a gun, no "Long barrels", but i missed the part that it's connected to the backpack.
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On July 23 2016 09:52 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:
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All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years). Im perfectly fine with that. As ive said before its not all about economic growth. I'm full in favor of having dramatic measures of increasing your own populations natallity before reaching out for immigrants.
MMMM limited immigration and natural citizen with 10-15% unemployment or more. Wage stagnation while interest increases. Sounds awesome. Forced pregnancies. A true dystopia.
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On July 23 2016 09:54 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:52 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:
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Try cyanide.
Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years). Im perfectly fine with that. As ive said before its not all about economic growth. I'm full in favor of having dramatic measures of increasing your own populations natallity than outright reaching for immigrants. Force people to fuck and get kids? Anyway. Could we steer clear of this retarded discussion that literally has nothing to do with what happened here? Show nested quote +In this case, I would also argue that the government should screen every single one of its citizens for things like severe mental disorders, sociopathic tendencies, etc. and give them the help they need. It'd be a long-term goal but I think it could've helped in this case
/facepalm
Wow, you really give constructive feedback, thanks, I never thought of it that way
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NukeD, I appreciate you being the ambassor for the right wing here.
Most responses I've seen disagreeing with you were quite flawed with their thinking, or too simplistic.
Also, RIP to the victims, sucks for Germany and the families.
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On July 23 2016 09:54 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:52 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:
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Try cyanide.
Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years). Im perfectly fine with that. As ive said before its not all about economic growth. I'm full in favor of having dramatic measures of increasing your own populations natallity than outright reaching for immigrants. Force people to fuck and get kids?Anyway. Could we steer clear of this retarded discussion that literally has nothing to do with what happened here? Show nested quote +In this case, I would also argue that the government should screen every single one of its citizens for things like severe mental disorders, sociopathic tendencies, etc. and give them the help they need. It'd be a long-term goal but I think it could've helped in this case
/facepalm
What? Lol. ???? No, like giving a substantial boost for every newborn baby (such as we have here in Croatia, not substantial tho) and other measures of that sort.
By all means let us steer of this retarded discussion but I want to recognize your severe contribution to the factor of its retardness.
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On July 23 2016 09:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:
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All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years). That's a rather shallow analysis. Firstly, it's not like this problem is unsolvable. Second, if you want to talk immigration, look at labour force participation. Bringing in immigrants for economic reasons is like taking out a 20% annual interest loan, and spirals into an endless cycle once you realize that then the immigrants will want to bring in their older families and not reproduce as quickly either. Even economically a very short term focused plan.
Labour force participation is not low for immigrants in general, only for refugees. As for the 2nd part of your comment, it's not something I looked up so I can only speak for my country, birth rate of Romanians abroad (most of which are in Italy, Spain, UK & Germany) is 30% higher than of those in Romania.
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On July 23 2016 10:02 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 23 2016 09:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:
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Try cyanide.
Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years). That's a rather shallow analysis. Firstly, it's not like this problem is unsolvable. Second, if you want to talk immigration, look at labour force participation. Bringing in immigrants for economic reasons is like taking out a 20% annual interest loan, and spirals into an endless cycle once you realize that then the immigrants will want to bring in their older families and not reproduce as quickly either. Even economically a very short term focused plan. Labour force participation is not low for immigrants in general, only for refugees. As for the 2nd part of your comment, it's not something I looked up so I can only speak for my country, birth rate of Romanians abroad (most of which are in Italy, Spain, UK & Germany) is 30% higher than of those in Romania.
That's because Romanian abroad are younger on average than Romanian who stays in Romania, for obvious reasons.
That was not his point, his point wa that you can still push forward GDP and labor force by increase participation in the native population.
Anyway this is dumb, Japan's stagnation is not entirely due to demographics : it plays a role, but that's not sufficient. The question of inflation / saving / wage is as more if not way more important than demographics. Of course, they are linked to demographics (modigliani's life cycle and all that) but the actual macroeconomic policies plays a huge part. In the case of Japan, the policies that the government pushed for at the beginning of the lost decade played a huge role in the stagnation of wages.
And if our only way to grow is to increase our population, I have a news for you all, we can't grow endlessly this way. Better thinking about ways to increase investment in a low consumption / high savings rent seeking societies, because that's our future.
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By all means let us steer of this retarded discussion but I want to recognize your severe contribution to the factor of its retardness.
Because i corrected your use of "xenophobia"? After which you then go ahead and tell me that it's not fair to call countries "xenophobic" after you literally give the definition of a xenophobic country? I can live with that.
Wow, you really give constructive feedback, thanks, I never thought of it that way
Constructive feedback to what? The "suggestion" that we screen 80 million people a year in a country with open borders? It's dumb. Like, there's nothing to say other than it's a dumb suggestion. Unrealistic on top, and pointless right after, considering that you'd need to do it constantly, since not every mental illness gets A: spotted in the first session, and B: not every mental illness develops from child age.
And after all this, you realize that the germanwings pilot who WAS in therapy for depression still killed dozens of people when he suicided. And yes, it's retarded that he was allowed to pilot that plane. But! He could've also chosen something that happens occasionally in the US: suicide by a police bullet. His plan was to go out with a bang.
edit: don't get me wrong. I do see the need for improvements in certain areas, especially in regards to mental illness, so i don't disagree with that.
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On July 23 2016 10:09 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +By all means let us steer of this retarded discussion but I want to recognize your severe contribution to the factor of its retardness.
Because i corrected your use of "xenophobia"? After which you then go ahead and tell me that it's not fair to call countries "xenophobic" after you literally give the definition of a xenophobic country? I can live with that. Show nested quote +Wow, you really give constructive feedback, thanks, I never thought of it that way
Constructive feedback to what? The "suggestion" that we screen 80 million people a year in a country with open borders? It's dumb. Like, there's nothing to say other than it's a dumb suggestion. Unrealistic on top, and pointless right after, considering that you'd need to do it constantly, since not every mental illness gets A: spotted in the first session, and B: not every mental illness develops from child age. And after all this, you realize that the germanwings pilot who WAS in therapy for depression still killed dozens of people when he suicided. And yes, it's retarded that he was allowed to pilot that plane. But! He could've also chosen something that happens occasionally in the US: suicide by a police bullet. His plan was to go out with a bang.
Close the borders then, free immigration isn't a right
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