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On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia".
I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks.
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no police records so far on the kid
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Germany3128 Posts
18 year old German-Iranian. Lived longtime in Munich. No police record so far
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On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks.
It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense?
If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though".
edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.-
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On July 23 2016 09:30 TheNewEra wrote:
18 year old German-Iranian. Lived longtime in Munich. No police record so far
probably born in Germany, at least thats what the guy himself said in one of the videos
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man these questions are really really terrible wow
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On July 23 2016 09:33 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:30 TheNewEra wrote:
18 year old German-Iranian. Lived longtime in Munich. No police record so far probably born in Germany, at least thats what the guy himself said in one of the videos
They just brought it up in the conference, but they can't really comment on that.
edit: they're assuming that the dude on the roof was the perp though.
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On July 23 2016 09:34 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:33 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 TheNewEra wrote:
18 year old German-Iranian. Lived longtime in Munich. No police record so far probably born in Germany, at least thats what the guy himself said in one of the videos They just brought it up in the conference, but they can't really comment on that.
He just said that they assume that person on the roof in that video is the perpetrator
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On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:
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This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric.
Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.-
Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity.
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similarities to würzburg - is this guy serious
these questions are so incredibly terrible it reminds me of 5th graders being forced to ask questions to the art museum director
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Ffs..
"Are there injured policemen?"
"I can't say, not as we know, but some might have a cracked ankle or something"
wat?
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And why's nobody asking about the big backpack?
edit: still three critically injured, as in life threatening.
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On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:
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Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity.
I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society
To clarify, it doesn't have to be purely based on ethnicity, a society needs its people to have something they all share, like religion, beliefs, background, etc.
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Wow that was a dumb question..
"Usually we see more injured than dead, now it's 50/50 (paraphrased) - did he use special ammunition?"
I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society
God the US must suck according to you people, considering that you're one of the most multicultural countries in the world. In fact, literally founded and built by a multicultural society of immigrants from all over europe.
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On July 23 2016 09:45 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:30 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:27 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:21 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:
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You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhobiaI assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia". I also assume you like to look past what the person wants to say rather than what the term used officially describes. Its very obvious what i want to say and I am sure you know what it is. Anyway, I dont need to open that link to know what phobia is and what you want to say but, i dont care. You've taken this conversation in a very poor direction with your witty remarks. It's not really witty if you say "a little bit of xenophobia is fine". If you meant something else, why not simply say so rather than going to a statement that quite literally doesn't make sense? If you meant "we should have a healthy amount of caution towards islamists", sure. I agree. Xenophobia has nothing to do with that though. Pretty much the same with the topic in the first place, considering that there's ZERO hint that there's an islamic background other than "the dude was brown though". edit: quite annoying that one can't actually understand the journalists -.- Yes well what I want to say is, I support any countries wish to stay a homogenous nation. I think thats a legitimate concern that should be respected and not deemed as xenophobic. For instance, if Israel said they will limit non jewish immigration to less than 1% for wanting to stay a country of jews, I'd say that is their right and I would respect that. If Japan said they will not accept any white, black, hispanic or other immigrants above the threshold of lets say 5% for fearing of not remaining a homogenous country of Japanese people I would also recognize that as a legitimate concern and would approve of that. I don't think a country should be deemed xenophobic for wantig to preserve its national identity. I fully support this, I wish more people would see that a homogeneous society almost always is a better society
The problem with this is that if you limit immigration, population growth slows dramatically and the entire economy stagnates (see: Japan for the last 20 years).
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what I also think is really scary is how people were essentially reporting fake shootings and attacks the whole evening while the guy was dead for hours. Modern communications amplifies this stuff by a factor of ten.
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Zurich15362 Posts
Police press conference, will translate as best as I can
- Based on call ins police initially assumed 3 suspect
- 2 were seen speeding from the scene, thus (wrongly) suspected
- Public transportation and traffic was closed because of continuous call ins about suspects
- Suspect found dead by police - assumed suicide
- No further suspects
- Suspect 18yo German-Iranian
- Suspect was shot by police before found dead
- 2300 officers were part of the man hunt
- None of the many many call-ins and suspects turned out real
Q&A:
- First shooting at the McD
- Attacker then continued to the mall
- On the way was shot by police
- Attacker had no priors, unknown to police
- Victims of shootings all from the mall, not the McD shooting
- Attacker had a single hand gun, no further guns found
- Lone attacker, so far no evidence of any further suspects
- After being shot, the attacker initially got away, and was later found after presumably comitting suicide
- Police knows the video from the parking lot and is analysing it, also asking for any additional video material to be sent to the police
- Police sees no similarity to Wuerzburg attacks
- BFE+ (new federal police unit) was not part of the man hunt, but GSG9 was on site
- More details tomorrow
- Attacker was dual citizen of Germany and Iran
- No police was injured
- Attackers body was found in a side street near the mall
- No information on how the gun was obtained
- Three more people critically injured
- Investigations among friends and family ongoing
- No further information on the attacker
(Lots of stupid questions where all the police pres has to say is "that has to wait for the investigation to finish)
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What needs to happen is that anyone who wants to immigrate needs to be thoroughly vetted: Do they benefit society, do they share the society's values, and whatever, but that's kinda off-topic for this thread
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On July 23 2016 09:50 plasmidghost wrote:
What needs to happen is that anyone who wants to immigrate needs to be thoroughly vetted: Do they benefit society, do they share the society's values, and whatever, but that's kinda off-topic for this thread
Literally nothing to do with this thread. Like the guy was born in Germany.
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