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On July 23 2016 09:00 WhiteDog wrote:
I can't accept this pityful discourse that basically consider us to be impotent before all this. It's incredibly irresponsible to argue this way, like this damn wretched Cohn-Bendit. I consider this kind of argument to be one of the few things that can effectively push the people of europe toward a less democratic society.
There are clear things that we must and can do to prevent those attacks, like more control on borders in regards to guns for exemple or heavier scrutiny on the identity of migrants.
We cannot accept that a belgium citizen, like Abaaoud, makes multiples trip from europe to syria, collect dickheads throughout europe, and plan an attack in the french soil like it's no big deal.
Yes, in cases where people travel and turn into potential intelligence targets we can start talking about what the government can do. When an unhinged individual goes on a rampage with a truck or a home-made weapon or a weapon that is widely available there is practically nothing we can do. We're not living in Minority Report, we don't have a precrime division and can't look into people's heads.
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On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses.
Try cyanide.
Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term.
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On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term.
Fuck. This is savage, dark and on point.
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On July 23 2016 09:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Fuck. This is savage, dark and on point.
To be clear, i didn't mean to say "go kill yourself". Just to be sure. ^^
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On July 23 2016 09:08 Reaps wrote:
Multiculturalism works, it is just Islam that struggles with it.
We've really gone off topic but might as well shoot the shit until the official response comes on.
Everyone struggles with it. White people dislike the increased crime and welfare that comes with it. Because it feels like you're literally paying for a criminal underclass that hates your guts.
That being said, again we're very off topic but not much new news is coming out anyway atm. Though the official German address should be soon / now.
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On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:
Try cyanide.
Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term.
Woah, slow down. Your tolerance and peacefulness is coming across.
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On July 23 2016 09:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:59 Plansix wrote:
Violence happened someplace in the EU, clearly the boogieman known as Multiculturalism must be to blame. We must find how Multiculturalism is the cause and then, most importantly, blame the left and Muslims. Thats just my viewpoint. You are more than welcome to present your cause of the problem. However, once again, im not taking anymore of this isolated case bullshit. Nah, I'll just remember your theories on 9/11 and trust you are not the best judge of reality.
Nah not my theories, proffesors of construction theories. I'm very curious as to which one of us spent more time investigating the 9/11 case. You are very easy to dismiss any non mainstream view as it is very easy and socially acceptable to dismiss anything as "conspiracy theory". That is a very easy coup to force the other person into a defensive position. Anyway, regarding 9/11, as I've said before, i'm not decided on the issue and i've posted the stuff in the other thread just to see how people on this forum "breathe". It was a flame bait if you like.
You jugle the ad hominem and factuous posts very awkwardly latelly.
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On July 23 2016 09:12 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:11 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Fuck. This is savage, dark and on point. To be clear, i didn't mean to say "go kill yourself". Just to be sure. ^^
tragedy of social democrats
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The problem is not the existence of a multitude of culture in the same territory because it's just a fact. The culture in the north of the US is not the same as in the south, the culture in the blue collar population is not the same as in the wall street finance, but those differences does not create any kind of problem because, above that, there is a common sense of belonging to a same entity, the nation or the abstract humanity if you're in that kind of spiritualism.
The problem is when the society / the state / the nation value diversity and promote it above any kind of common ground, to a point where people do not identify to the general collective but to their specifics.
Historically, that common ground has been the law. Since nobody trust justice anymore, good luck.
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On July 23 2016 09:18 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:12 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:11 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Fuck. This is savage, dark and on point. To be clear, i didn't mean to say "go kill yourself". Just to be sure. ^^ tragedy of social democrats
That kinda went over my head.
Anyway, Press Conference starting.
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On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term.
Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life.
Also that cyanide analogy scored you wit 2 points on a internet forum. Must have felt very satisfying coming up with that. I bet your secreted few milileters more saliva having thought of that.
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Police press conference, will translate as best as I can
- Based on call ins police initially assumed 3 suspect
- 2 were seen speeding from the scene, thus (wrongly) suspected
- Public transportation and traffic was closed because of continuous call ins about suspects
- Suspect found dead by police - assumed suicide
- No further suspects
- Suspect 18yo German-Iranian
- Suspect was shot by police before found dead
- 2300 officers were part of the man hunt
- None of the many many call-ins and suspects turned out real
Q&A:
- First shooting at the McD
- Attacker then continued to the mall
- On the way was shot by police
- Attacker had no priors, unknown to police
- Victims of shootings all from the mall, not the McD shooting
- Attacker had a single hand gun, no further guns found
- Lone attacker, so far no evidence of any further suspects
- After being shot, the attacker initially got away, and was later found after presumably comitting suicide
- Police knows the video from the parking lot and is analysing it, also asking for any additional video material to be sent to the police
- Police sees no similarity to Wuerzburg attacks
- BFE+ (new federal police unit) was not part of the man hunt, but GSG9 was on site
- More details tomorrow
- Attacker was dual citizen of Germany and Iran
- No police was injured
- Attackers body was found in a side street near the mall
- No information on how the gun was obtained
- Three more people critically injured
- Investigations among friends and family ongoing
- No further information on the attacker
(Lots of stupid questions where all the police pres has to say is "that has to wait for the investigation to finish)
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On July 23 2016 09:19 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:10 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 09:09 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:56 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 08:52 Sent. wrote:On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote:On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. It's not though (edit: evil, to clarify). Germany as we know it today was built by a multicultural population. Google "Guest workers", or the german word "Gastarbeiter". Multiculturalism isn't inherently bad. It was likely a deranged man. Given the video evidence we've seen most people seem to think so as well. In the case of Breivik he seemed to be pretty anti-multiculturalism. So you could still attribute his attack under the umbrella of rejecting the leftist viewpoint. So his statement is not exactly wrong. That is still an effect of multiculturalism technically.
T hat's the dumbest disguise i've ever seen for blatant xenophobia. All things are good in small doses. Try cyanide. Xenophobia can't be "a small dose". The hint is in the term. Xenophobia can be a small dose. The hint is real life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia
I assume you don't even know what a phobia is, and why you can't have "a small dose of phobia".
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On July 23 2016 09:22 Paljas wrote:
i didnt quite understandthe dude talking: the suspect was a 18 year old teacher??
18 year old Iranian
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On July 23 2016 03:16 Mafe wrote:Are you aware that sharing such videos is probably what the attackers were hoping for? Well, now I've seen it on tv aswell. Don't take it too personal. Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 03:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
gunfire being reported in the city center and possible subway? Subways are said to have been shut down completely 15+ minutes ago.
I'm also curious why is it bad to see a raw footage of ppl getting killed ? I mean, I'm pretty sure most of us can overcome the violence since we've probably seen worse. I just don't understand why it would "help" the attackers (except for maybe policemen's positions). I'd even dare to say it helps us more than it helps them because whenever we see that sh.t going on, we can cope it up better the next time we see it. Or even, it'd make us rage more and then we'd not be afraid to see the next one threatening to bomb us because we'd be all tired to see this non-sense sh.t. We'd even take measures and actually kill them before they can do more harm.
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On July 23 2016 09:22 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:22 Paljas wrote:
i didnt quite understandthe dude talking: the suspect was a 18 year old teacher?? 18 year old Iranian
Yup, 18 year old german-iranian. Zero clue as to the "why".
I'm also curious why is it bad to see a raw footage of ppl getting killed ? I mean, I'm pretty sure most of us can overcome the violence since we've probably seen worse. I just don't understand why it would "help" the attackers (except for maybe policemen's positions). I'd even dare to say it helps us more than it helps them because whenever we see that sh.t going on, we can cope it up better the next time we see it. Or even, it'd make us rage more and then we'd not be afraid to see the next one threatening to bomb us because we'd be all tired to see this non-sense sh.t. We'd take even take measures and actually kill them before they can do more harm.
That literally makes zero sense.
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On July 23 2016 09:22 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:22 Paljas wrote:
i didnt quite understandthe dude talking: the suspect was a 18 year old teacher?? 18 year old Iranian
German-Iranian
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On July 23 2016 09:23 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 23 2016 09:22 Paljas wrote:
i didnt quite understandthe dude talking: the suspect was a 18 year old teacher?? 18 year old Iranian Yup, 18 year old german-iranian. Zero clue as to the "why".
thanks
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