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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:04 Plansix wrote: Cynics are the people scared to hope, because it hurts to be let down. Some would call them realists. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:14 Clonester wrote: Its over, trafic is allowed to drive again. Press conference at 2am. Source? The "it's over part", I saw the 2am tweet. Not seeing the conclusion from sites I'm parsing through atm... On July 23 2016 08:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote: im just glad all my friends in munich are save Indeed, same. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:22 Half the Sky wrote: Source? The "it's over part", I saw the 2am tweet. Not seeing the conclusion from sites I'm parsing through atm... Indeed, same. yeah like mentioned below your post, it's an assumption based on police saying that all public transport is running again: so technically no confirmation but it does look that way? | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:22 Half the Sky wrote: Source? The "it's over part", I saw the 2am tweet. Not seeing the conclusion from sites I'm parsing through atm... Indeed, same. All busses and trains are driving everywhere again. Must be signal that either the got them, they are dead or they know they are left somewhere far far away. I say from this, it is over and we get all known facts from the conference. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:25 Clonester wrote: All busses and trains are driving everywhere again. Must be signal that either the got them, they are dead or they know they are left somewhere far far away. I say from this, it is over and we get all known facts from the conference. Gotcha, glad it's over. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
They found one guy who shot himself. And they think that the guy worked alone. My thinking: If it is the guy from the youtube video, classic amok idiot. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote: I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9129 Posts
E: Ah, Clonester had already translated the German announcement | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote: This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:31 Nyxisto wrote: This isn't the first time that people are attacking democracy in Western Europe and it isn't going to be the last time. There's only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. The reaction can't be to build a police or surveillance state or buy into the ridiculous race war rhetoric. Of course it's the government's job to protect the citizens, but it's also everybody's job (including the media) to accept the limits of how much safety is possible in a liberal society. Last time there was terrorism and massacres all across Europe all the time the Warsaw Pact was around. That put a certain limit on politics, you always had to consider if we do this what consequences might happen with regards to Washington and Moscow (French in particular always hated this constraint). Today there are fewer reasons for people to not go in an extreme direction which is scary. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:26 DeepElemBlues wrote: I don't know what cynicism or realism is here but it's pretty real that Western governments in general are failing at preventing these attacks right now, it doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Nazis or schizophrenics. Governments are supposed to handle it regardless of who is doing it. The frequency of attacks is increasing and people will not put up with the current crop of politicians if this continues. If there is a sudden epidemic of these attack then any reasonable person would ask himself what is the cause of the epidemic. And i think that we can all agree that there is a disproportionate number of these attacks in the past few years compared to before. Sure, you can view all of these attacks as isolated cases and make yourself blind to the big picture however that does not change the fact that Europe is facing a serious threat posed by people (sane/insane) radicalized by islamic values. Bringing them in by millions alsd didnt't help the problem. | ||
zatic
Zurich15352 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:49 NukeD wrote: If there is a sudden epidemic of these attack than any reasonable person would ask themself what is the cause of the epidemic. And i think that we can all agree that there is a disproportionate number of these attacks in the past few years compared to before. Sure, you can view all of these attacks as isolated cases and make yourself blind to the big picture however that does not change the fact that Europe is facing a serious threat posed by people (sane/insane) radicalized by islamic values. Bringing them in by millions alsd didnt't help the problem. What the hell are you talking about. At this point there is really zero.zero evidence this was in any way an attack by islamic radicals. If anything, and even that is pure speculation, it would appear this was done by a deranged follower of Breivik. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32742 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote: Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). I'd say my country is quite multicultural, especially in the high density cities, but I can't recall Canada having news of terrorist attacks or major threats since like the attempted bombing of the CN Tower. Of course my country has the luck of being isolated from the refugee crisis and can afford to be a lot more selective and screen for threats, but I think it's also done a good job of integrating them into a national identity as well. Multiculturalism doesn't have to be a failure, but the way Europe conducts it clearly has mistakes or flaws which need to be answered. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9229 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote: Its actually very possible for those societies to be very safe. You'll have to abolish "multiculturism" first tho (at least to a degree). You can't abolish multiculturalism without ethnic cleansings or mass deportations. Even if you assume multicultarism is evil, you still have to admit it's an evil lesser than these two. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On July 23 2016 03:40 amazingxkcd wrote: i prefer the remove kebab route. aint gonna give up my guns when they're around I didnt think I would ever see a moderator on teamliquid express openly racist oppinions. | ||
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