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On July 23 2016 07:41 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:40 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. They're not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that the perp is some form of victim, too. That doesn't justify anything, and isn't meant to. And of course no one should feel bad for him. But failing to realize that he could be a victim of sorts too, prevents you from actually learning and preventing the next attack. I was being sarcastic. I agree with everything you just said. My bad then, misunderstood you.
Me too.
In the weeks after the event in France, there have been instances of mentally ill people attacking random people. It's clearly, in part, some kind of reaction to the context.
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Hope German police sorts this out quickly and with less casualities possible.
Stay strong Germany.
I feel for you guys.
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On July 23 2016 07:34 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:29 SK.Testie wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. The reason mental illness is used is because it's normally democrats shooting people. Without looking it up I'd ballpark it at 80% of shootings are done by Democrats. So they clearly can't be trusted with guns. There are instances of right wingers shooting people. But most shootings are democrats. If you find a lily white town full of conservative christians, you can go decades without a shot hitting another person on purpose. Might be a boring town, but a peaceful way to spend your old years that's for sure. What the fuck are you talking about? You're not even American? Have you ever lived in this country? Please refrain from further posting in this forum.
Why? Testie is making shit up from nowhere.
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On July 23 2016 07:42 Plansix wrote:
NM, not worth it.
Thanks. Have that holier than thou attitude somewhere else.
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On July 23 2016 07:42 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:41 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:40 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. They're not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that the perp is some form of victim, too. That doesn't justify anything, and isn't meant to. And of course no one should feel bad for him. But failing to realize that he could be a victim of sorts too, prevents you from actually learning and preventing the next attack. I was being sarcastic. I agree with everything you just said. My bad then, misunderstood you. Me too. In the weeks after the event in France, there have been instances of mentally ill people attacking random people. It's clearly, in part, some kind of reaction to the context as NukeD pointed out.
Sry, I am sometimes to heavy handed with the sarcasm. I just get irritated when someone shit on a person try to understand/show some sympathy for the mental state the killer would need to be in to commit those acts. Sure some of them are remorseless people. But sometimes they are just completed disasters who needed treatment more than anything else.
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 On July 23 2016 07:43 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:34 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:29 SK.Testie wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. The reason mental illness is used is because it's normally democrats shooting people. Without looking it up I'd ballpark it at 80% of shootings are done by Democrats. So they clearly can't be trusted with guns. There are instances of right wingers shooting people. But most shootings are democrats. If you find a lily white town full of conservative christians, you can go decades without a shot hitting another person on purpose. Might be a boring town, but a peaceful way to spend your old years that's for sure. What the fuck are you talking about? You're not even American? Have you ever lived in this country? Please refrain from further posting in this forum. Why? Testie is making shit up from nowhere.
Is he now? Please do retort his claims. Im eager to see it.
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On July 23 2016 07:46 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:43 OtherWorld wrote:On July 23 2016 07:34 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:29 SK.Testie wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. The reason mental illness is used is because it's normally democrats shooting people. Without looking it up I'd ballpark it at 80% of shootings are done by Democrats. So they clearly can't be trusted with guns. There are instances of right wingers shooting people. But most shootings are democrats. If you find a lily white town full of conservative christians, you can go decades without a shot hitting another person on purpose. Might be a boring town, but a peaceful way to spend your old years that's for sure. What the fuck are you talking about? You're not even American? Have you ever lived in this country? Please refrain from further posting in this forum. Why? Testie is making shit up from nowhere. Is he now? Please do retort his claims. Im eager to see it.
Wrong thread son. Please move it to the gun control thread where it belongs.
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On July 23 2016 07:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:42 WhiteDog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:41 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:40 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. They're not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that the perp is some form of victim, too. That doesn't justify anything, and isn't meant to. And of course no one should feel bad for him. But failing to realize that he could be a victim of sorts too, prevents you from actually learning and preventing the next attack. I was being sarcastic. I agree with everything you just said. My bad then, misunderstood you. Me too. In the weeks after the event in France, there have been instances of mentally ill people attacking random people. It's clearly, in part, some kind of reaction to the context as NukeD pointed out. Sry, I am sometimes to heavy handed with the sarcasm. I just get irritated when someone shit on a person try to understand/show some sympathy for the mental state the killer would need to be in to commit those acts. Sure some of them are remorseless people. But sometimes they are just completed disasters who needed treatment more than anything else.
So how domwe deal with these people? Do we do it post factum once they have killed numerous amount of innocent people or donwe handle the problem at its root?
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From the nonsense that guy on the video was talking he sure seemed insane.
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On July 23 2016 07:49 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:46 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:42 WhiteDog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:41 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:40 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:
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There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans.
Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. They're not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that the perp is some form of victim, too. That doesn't justify anything, and isn't meant to. And of course no one should feel bad for him. But failing to realize that he could be a victim of sorts too, prevents you from actually learning and preventing the next attack. I was being sarcastic. I agree with everything you just said. My bad then, misunderstood you. Me too. In the weeks after the event in France, there have been instances of mentally ill people attacking random people. It's clearly, in part, some kind of reaction to the context as NukeD pointed out. Sry, I am sometimes to heavy handed with the sarcasm. I just get irritated when someone shit on a person try to understand/show some sympathy for the mental state the killer would need to be in to commit those acts. Sure some of them are remorseless people. But sometimes they are just completed disasters who needed treatment more than anything else. So how domwe deal with these people? Do we do it post factum once they have killed numerous amount of innocent people or donwe handle the problem at its root?
There is a difference between a lone crazy man with a gun, and an organisation that plan various terrorist attacks, it's not the same problem and not the same response. If it is indeed just a mad man who killed those people, we can just pay our respect to the dead and try to do better with the living, the rest feel kinda pointless.
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On July 23 2016 07:49 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:46 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:42 WhiteDog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:41 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:40 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:
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There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans.
Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. They're not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that the perp is some form of victim, too. That doesn't justify anything, and isn't meant to. And of course no one should feel bad for him. But failing to realize that he could be a victim of sorts too, prevents you from actually learning and preventing the next attack. I was being sarcastic. I agree with everything you just said. My bad then, misunderstood you. Me too. In the weeks after the event in France, there have been instances of mentally ill people attacking random people. It's clearly, in part, some kind of reaction to the context as NukeD pointed out. Sry, I am sometimes to heavy handed with the sarcasm. I just get irritated when someone shit on a person try to understand/show some sympathy for the mental state the killer would need to be in to commit those acts. Sure some of them are remorseless people. But sometimes they are just completed disasters who needed treatment more than anything else. So how domwe deal with these people? Do we do it post factum once they have killed numerous amount of innocent people or donwe handle the problem at its root?
Who are these people? Mentally ill people that commit violence? Get them treatment if you can. Find out how they slipped through the cracks of the system if they were in it. Try to see where the breaking point what for them. Where they got the weapon.
There is no "root" to the problem. That is the point. You can't just fix it with some magical solution. Every case and shooter is different. Even terrorist can be found before they commit terrorism and stopped.
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On July 23 2016 07:46 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:43 OtherWorld wrote:On July 23 2016 07:34 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:29 SK.Testie wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. The reason mental illness is used is because it's normally democrats shooting people. Without looking it up I'd ballpark it at 80% of shootings are done by Democrats. So they clearly can't be trusted with guns. There are instances of right wingers shooting people. But most shootings are democrats. If you find a lily white town full of conservative christians, you can go decades without a shot hitting another person on purpose. Might be a boring town, but a peaceful way to spend your old years that's for sure. What the fuck are you talking about? You're not even American? Have you ever lived in this country? Please refrain from further posting in this forum. Why? Testie is making shit up from nowhere. Is he now? Please do retort his claims. Im eager to see it.
Listen, if you're not interested in seeking truth but only in using unoriginal and uninteristing debate techniques that make you feel like you're a big man, I've nothing to tell you. I'll just advise you to be wary about people making up random numbers.
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On July 23 2016 07:42 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:38 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:36 WhiteDog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. Some tragedy have no culprit. In the face of any tragedy, caused by humans or random chance, we should try to be the best versions of ourselves. Rather than the worst and most self serving. Cool ill have that written on my tombstone when i get bombed to pieces by another radicalized islamist who has not been so mentally stable for the past few years. There's no indication that this is an Islamic terrorist incident as of yet. But yeah, keep trying to be the best version of yourself you can be, rather than the worst.
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On July 23 2016 07:52 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:49 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:46 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:42 WhiteDog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:41 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:40 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:
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If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. They're not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that the perp is some form of victim, too. That doesn't justify anything, and isn't meant to. And of course no one should feel bad for him. But failing to realize that he could be a victim of sorts too, prevents you from actually learning and preventing the next attack. I was being sarcastic. I agree with everything you just said. My bad then, misunderstood you. Me too. In the weeks after the event in France, there have been instances of mentally ill people attacking random people. It's clearly, in part, some kind of reaction to the context as NukeD pointed out. Sry, I am sometimes to heavy handed with the sarcasm. I just get irritated when someone shit on a person try to understand/show some sympathy for the mental state the killer would need to be in to commit those acts. Sure some of them are remorseless people. But sometimes they are just completed disasters who needed treatment more than anything else. So how domwe deal with these people? Do we do it post factum once they have killed numerous amount of innocent people or donwe handle the problem at its root? There is a difference between a lone crazy man with a gun, and an organisation that plan various terrorist attacks, it's not the same problem and not the same response. If it is indeed just a mad man who killed those people, we can just pay our respect to the dead and try to do better with the living, the rest feel kinda pointless.
Thats what im saying. I am seeing a pattern here. These insane people are getting empowered by the other mass killings. Make no mistake these people do justify the killings in their mind, we just percieve that justificafion as a result of a abnormally fuctioning brain. Im positive that these people have been insane for the past 20 years or whatever and isnt it quitte a remarkable coincidence that they commint the mass murders in the light of other mass murders in Europe. I am not willing to percieve this as an isolated case without the proof the person did not invoce any islamic values. If he did it is part of a bigger issue no matter how sane he was.
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On July 23 2016 07:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:42 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:36 WhiteDog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:On July 23 2016 07:24 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:23 Bleak wrote:
So which one will it be, snackbars or Nazis? Can't say any of them is preferable. Jokes aside, I hope noone else gets hurt and the situation is resolved quickly.
It's kinda funny, I used to think Turkey is going to shit with coup attempt, explosions and terrorist attacks, but for some reason I feel like whole World is having issues. There's a third option. Commonly used as excuse by the americans. Mental illness. Like.. actual mental illness, not the kind that you state to protect your guns. If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. Some tragedy have no culprit. In the face of any tragedy, caused by humans or random chance, we should try to be the best versions of ourselves. Rather than the worst and most self serving. Cool ill have that written on my tombstone when i get bombed to pieces by another radicalized islamist who has not been so mentally stable for the past few years. There's no indication that this is an Islamic terrorist incident as of yet. But yeah, keep trying to be the best version of yourself you can be, rather than the worst.
I am open to it not having any relation to other islamic attacks. If thats the case I revoke everything I said. And regarding the "best version of yourself", sure, sounds nice, just empty words tho.
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On July 23 2016 07:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:49 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:46 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:42 WhiteDog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:41 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:40 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 23 2016 07:35 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2016 07:32 NukeD wrote:On July 23 2016 07:31 Maenander wrote:
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If it turns out the guy on the roof was the lone culprit (as everything seems to indicate now) ... I mean that guy clearly had problems ... Poor guy, he's obviously a victim here. I really hate people who try to show empathy bad people. We all know we can only feel one thing at a time, so we should save it for the people who died. They're not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that the perp is some form of victim, too. That doesn't justify anything, and isn't meant to. And of course no one should feel bad for him. But failing to realize that he could be a victim of sorts too, prevents you from actually learning and preventing the next attack. I was being sarcastic. I agree with everything you just said. My bad then, misunderstood you. Me too. In the weeks after the event in France, there have been instances of mentally ill people attacking random people. It's clearly, in part, some kind of reaction to the context as NukeD pointed out. Sry, I am sometimes to heavy handed with the sarcasm. I just get irritated when someone shit on a person try to understand/show some sympathy for the mental state the killer would need to be in to commit those acts. Sure some of them are remorseless people. But sometimes they are just completed disasters who needed treatment more than anything else. So how domwe deal with these people? Do we do it post factum once they have killed numerous amount of innocent people or donwe handle the problem at its root? Who are these people? Mentally ill people that commit violence? Get them treatment if you can. Find out how they slipped through the cracks of the system if they were in it. Try to see where the breaking point what for them. Where they got the weapon. There is no "root" to the problem. That is the point. You can't just fix it with some magical solution. Every case and shooter is different. Even terrorist can be found before they commit terrorism and stopped.
Thats dealing with the consequence rather than the cause.
And where we disagree is there not being a root to the problem. The root is quitte glaring in my eyes.
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Cynics are the people scared to hope, because it hurts to be let down.
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there's going to be a press conference from the munich police at 2am local time. So roughly 45minutes after I posted this
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Its over, trafic is allowed to drive again.
Press conference at 2am.
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