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On July 15 2016 18:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 18:19 sharkie wrote:On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. One of the biggest problem was that while they are in rupture with their muslim community, the muslim community dont report them to the authorities and rather look away. I have sincerely no idea if what you are saying is right. Can you provide a serious and reliable source about French terrorism saying that? We are talking fact, so if that's the case it must be documented by the police. Otherwise, please don't throw populist speculation, because that's simply offensive.
Sheesh calm down.
I don't know if its true or not but in Austrian TV some religious big guy was saying that.
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On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS.
And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze.
Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you.
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On July 15 2016 18:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 16:39 zatic wrote:On July 15 2016 16:25 Incognoto wrote:On July 15 2016 16:08 NukeD wrote:On July 15 2016 15:50 Incognoto wrote:
I dunno, I'm not on social media. I just got up this morning and everyone in my family hates Hollande so I can't really talk about that.
People at my workplace haven't spoken a word about it yet, I guess we don't really talk about that here.
Personally though, Hollande really deserves prison. Out, out with him. I've changed channels every time I saw his shitty fat fucking face on television and I'm going to listen to whatever fucking Obama or Merkel have to say really. Those are who I want to hear from.
Hollande can stick an AK-47 up his ass And what is the sentiment to the immigrants? Is right-wing on the rise there? Well again, stats shows that extreme right-wing (since there's nothing wrong with right-wing.. lol) is indeed on the rise. But I don't personally see it. Right now I'm living in Brittany, which is hardly where you really see these sort of movements take place since, well to be quite frank, there aren't really a lot of immigrants or muslims around here. Serious question: Is this really how it is in France? Over here it's the other way around: The less heterogeneous the location, the more xenophobic. The areas of Germany with the least amount of immigrants are the loudest in opposing immigration and are the strongholds of the extreme right (and, to an extend, the extreme left as well). It's a universal phenomenon. In Paris the Front National made a miserable 6,12% in the last presidential election. In Meuse, an extremely rural departement where my parents live, and where I have never seen an arab and know a grand total of one black guy (that everyone likes), Le Pen did 25,82. In my village, out of 100 voters, 40 voted FN at the last european election. I am certain that most of them have never even seen a muslim in their life. http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Elections/Les-resultats/Presidentielles/elecresult__PR2012/(path)/PR2012/041/055/index.htmlOf course the best vaccine against racism is to personally mingle and know black / arab / muslim people, and realized they are just like you. Just as the best remedy against homophobia is to have gay people in your entourage. The most cosmopolitan and heterogenous the place, the least the far right ideas resonate, because they are seen for what they are. I think people in the north districts of Paris know very well that muslims are not dangerous and dishonest and not working and against us etc etc etc as Le Pen claims. Generally the FN does well in rural areas, former industrial areas with high unemployment, in the South East (our own version of Florida) which has a huge number of retired people, and in Alsace, a historically conservative stronghold. In medium cities, the only place it has really ever succeeded is Toulon, which is the siege of our military marine, and full of officers and families of officers, overwhelmingly catholic and among the most conservative and reactionary demographic.
I definitely agree with this statement. They are people just like you.
Do you know what happens when someone from a even smaller minority (like me) tries to mingle with Turks? Because I tried that when I was young. They mobbed me and treated me exactly like they are treated by the white people. I got bruises and broken toys by it, hell one guy even assaulted me.
One of the reasons I avoid the far left just like the far right. One side is showing them as saints, the other side as devils. I know better, they are just normal assholes like everyone else.
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On July 15 2016 18:41 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze. Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you.
That's one terrible post. Instead of accusing him of enjoying terrorism, why don't you explain to us why his perspective is wrong? Cause right now he seems to be the one applying logic to the situation, and where I stand, that matters.
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On July 15 2016 08:24 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 07:16 Livelovedie wrote:
Can't do anything in a crowd anymore it seems. The probability that something will happen to you is minuscule , I mean <300 people dead in a year in France. I'd hate our way of life being changed a lot because of these incidents...won't be long until there will be no gatherings, cinemas and concerts, and at that point they've won
Stop with the probabilities please xd.
It's not like the distribution of such events is random, so depending on your lifestyle the probability isn't the same for everyone.
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On July 15 2016 18:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 18:41 stilt wrote:On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze. Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you. That's one terrible post. Instead of accusing him of enjoying terrorism, why don't you explain to us why his perspective is wrong? Cause right now he seems to be the one applying logic to the situation, and where I stand, that matters.
Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness.
If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch.
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On July 15 2016 18:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 18:41 stilt wrote:On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze. Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you. That's one terrible post. Instead of accusing him of enjoying terrorism, why don't you explain to us why his perspective is wrong? Cause right now he seems to be the one applying logic to the situation, and where I stand, that matters.
I absolutely do not care about what you think sorry.
There is no logic, just ideology and the same as yours, that's why you think it is. Indeed there is no logic by saying "promoting a peaceful Islam when medias always points out peaceful initiative, same for the governement and accuses laicite of preventing this when what it needed is a reform of Islam, an exterior initiative can not fixe that but hey, let's destroyed secularity, talks a lot about islamophobia and restored blaspheme! We will live in a peaceful society then!
Btw, I'm pretty sure he does not come from countryside, just for Parisian establishment, it is not possible to say "Countryside voted FN because of immigrants", the lack of infrastructure (like no library or cinema in a rayon of 50km) in some part of Picardie, an economical politic which is totally absurd give a big abandon feeling in addition, there is the traditional contempt of parisian elite like him. I really don't buy the part on the small village.
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On July 15 2016 19:03 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 18:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2016 18:41 stilt wrote:On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze. Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you. That's one terrible post. Instead of accusing him of enjoying terrorism, why don't you explain to us why his perspective is wrong? Cause right now he seems to be the one applying logic to the situation, and where I stand, that matters. Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness. If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch.
He said no such thing though. He said salafism was a problem but that fixing it wouldn't improve this specific situation much, given the specific circumstances of these terrorists. He then provided an explanation as to why he was saying that that I found was hard to argue against. I take it into account cause my position was that fixing the obvious problem of wahabism would do a lot to counter the situation of today, and I see that it's not as simple as I thought. Don't you find that to be important information?
stilt: ok.
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Here what the police seems to have communicate to journalist:
_ The guy seemed not very religious, he liked salsa and girls. (he apparently did not go to Syria or stuff like this)
_ He was divorcing.
_ He slept while driving this truck some days ago and was sentenced for this
_ He was mentally instable.
Could be a very deadly nervous breakdown. That would be a strange coincidence considering the context but...
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On July 15 2016 19:28 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 19:03 DickMcFanny wrote:On July 15 2016 18:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2016 18:41 stilt wrote:On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze. Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you. That's one terrible post. Instead of accusing him of enjoying terrorism, why don't you explain to us why his perspective is wrong? Cause right now he seems to be the one applying logic to the situation, and where I stand, that matters. Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness. If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch. He said no such thing though. He said salafism was a problem but that fixing it wouldn't improve this specific situation much, given the specific circumstances of these terrorists. He then provided an explanation as to why he was saying that that I found was hard to argue against. I take it into account cause my position was that fixing the obvious problem of wahabism would do a lot to counter the situation of today, and I see that it's not as simple as I thought. Don't you find that to be important information? stilt: ok.
He wrote
"Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam."
Which I characterised as:
"Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness.
If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch."
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On July 15 2016 19:37 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 19:28 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2016 19:03 DickMcFanny wrote:On July 15 2016 18:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2016 18:41 stilt wrote:On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze. Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you. That's one terrible post. Instead of accusing him of enjoying terrorism, why don't you explain to us why his perspective is wrong? Cause right now he seems to be the one applying logic to the situation, and where I stand, that matters. Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness. If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch. He said no such thing though. He said salafism was a problem but that fixing it wouldn't improve this specific situation much, given the specific circumstances of these terrorists. He then provided an explanation as to why he was saying that that I found was hard to argue against. I take it into account cause my position was that fixing the obvious problem of wahabism would do a lot to counter the situation of today, and I see that it's not as simple as I thought. Don't you find that to be important information? stilt: ok. He wrote "Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam." Which I characterised as: "Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness. If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch."
In that case the problem is a lot simpler. The problem is that you see "tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam" and your brain reads "psychotic death cult".
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This whole thing makes me worried to go to France on my holiday. I know being part of a terror event is not a real risk, but it makes you more fearful subconsciously.
On July 15 2016 19:40 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 19:37 DickMcFanny wrote:On July 15 2016 19:28 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2016 19:03 DickMcFanny wrote:On July 15 2016 18:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2016 18:41 stilt wrote:On July 15 2016 18:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On July 15 2016 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:On July 15 2016 17:28 Nyan wrote:
Every rational thinking person will know that nothing can be done to prevent a killing like this.
I wonder with what retarded measures they are going to come up with. There are things that can be done to prevent the proliferation of the ideology that causes such attacks- completely cut off all funding from gulf countries towards mosques in Europe that encourage extremism, but for economic reasons it won't be done. Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam. That won't be done for political reason and because of our concept of laicité in which state and religion never mingle. The Paris mosque is a remarkable example of what a successful muslim religious institution can be like. But it's a bit unique, and no one shows any interest in financing similar places. That being said it is proven and documented that the french jihadi are not radicalized in mosques but rather on the internet and that there are very little bridges between salafists and ISIS style terrorists. Not saying that salafism is not a problem, it certainly is, but it is a different one. It is important to understand that terrorists of the last years in France are religiously completely illiterate : Salah Abdelsam admitted to his lawyer that he had never hold a Qoran in his hands and never read a line of it, only had read about it on the net. They are generally in rupture with their muslim community, and were often not or very little religious before being recruited by ISIS. And the liberals strike again by asking for impossible stuffs and exonerating their friends the salafists by focusing only on Lioger analyze. Don't know why but when I saw guys like you, the lesson givers, I have always the feeling that what happened is always a victory for you. That's one terrible post. Instead of accusing him of enjoying terrorism, why don't you explain to us why his perspective is wrong? Cause right now he seems to be the one applying logic to the situation, and where I stand, that matters. Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness. If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch. He said no such thing though. He said salafism was a problem but that fixing it wouldn't improve this specific situation much, given the specific circumstances of these terrorists. He then provided an explanation as to why he was saying that that I found was hard to argue against. I take it into account cause my position was that fixing the obvious problem of wahabism would do a lot to counter the situation of today, and I see that it's not as simple as I thought. Don't you find that to be important information? stilt: ok. He wrote "Inversely, you could promote and fund tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam." Which I characterised as: "Because he's proposing Chamberlaining the "good" extremists instead of the "bad" extremists. Why indulge that psychotic death cult at all? They don't look at those concessions and see compassion and kindness, they see weakness. If you're taught from a very young age to kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, you won't change your mind just because the unbelievers extend an olive branch." In that case the problem is a lot simpler. The problem is that you see "tolerant, peaceful and open minded islam" and your brain reads "psychotic death cult".
What "kill unbelievers" rhetoric is he talking about to begin with? These attacks are carried out by French Muslims that will only have gotten in touch with hateful messages later in life.
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I wonder what happens once those sub-humans realise all the US drone strikes are launched from Ramstein, Germany.
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In my opinion muslim community should really start speaking out against this shit and educate their fellow muslims who tend to be radicalized. I don't think we will ever be able to change anything as outsiders, it is a reform that islam needs from within and it's about time they started agresivelly condemning this behavior and preaching for tolerance to their brethren. I envision them as too passive on this.
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My condolences to all French people who affected by the attack.
We understand and share your pain.
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Yeah, terrorists and IS are so illitterate. It's not like their leader inspires himself directly to the Quran and has a PhD in Islamic Studies.
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i wake up late, since i don't work because it was supposed to be a nice day and i see this shit
omg ..
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On July 15 2016 19:30 stilt wrote:he liked salsa and girls.
This stupid detail is relentlessly repeated over and over
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On July 15 2016 09:02 Chewbacca. wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but is there some political reason as to why it seems like so many of these attacks occur in France and not other European nations? Has France done more to "wrong" these people than other nations? Are they accepting many more immigrants?
It's a mix of different things. France helped Mali against islamist invasion, a big role in the decision to attack Lybia. France is the biggest Western source from people going to Syria, so it's probably easier to setup something in France. Then we also have the biggest Jewish and Muslim communities in Europe, they want to create division. Maybe the old clichés as land of freedom, one of the most laic country, made them want to focus France a bit more for a stronger symbolism. Also probably the second most invested Western country in fighting Islamism behind the USA.
Concerning our government, it's very unpopular but so have been every government as far as I remember, Chirac being reelected only because of 6+ left candidates in 2002 allowing Le Pen to reach second turn with 18% of the votes.
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On July 15 2016 20:10 Incognoto wrote:This stupid detail is relentlessly repeated over and over
Well that just implies that he might be not an integrist in the last weeks or he was doing some dissimulation. I just watched the tv once so I didn't have time to lose at counting how much times this info can be repeated because in those news programms, they will have a lot of repetitions and useless stuffs.
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