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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 15 2016 12:12 NukeD wrote: You guys are having the most pathetic conversation I've seen. Just respect what happened and move on with your fake empathy. Takes a special kind of depraved and villainous personality to actually go through with writing a comment like that. Fake empathy... what? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On July 15 2016 12:39 Djzapz wrote: Takes a special kind of depraved and villainous personality to actually go through with writing a comment like that. Fake empathy... what? Implying someone you don't even know is depraved and villainous over TL. What? Now if he had said, "Good I'm glad it happened." or "The infidels have finally paid. Allahu Akbar!" then yeah, you could claim that. That actually seems pretty villainous. Being tired of people sending their sentiments to people who can't be reached by them over and over can come off as lacking authenticity. Especially after so many of the same types of tragedies, it can most certainly come off as fake. At this point men of action want something done about it. So that it doesn't happen again and again. Take this meme for instance, I'm pretty sure it's not from people wanting to be a dick. Probably born out of the frustration / tragic comedy of it all to respond to Islamic attacks with hashtags and censorship. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/q2czZ/9da2232294.jpg) Not to mention how sad it is that they see people being destroyed over and over. Currently we're seeing more large scale terrorist events than ever before in the last year. It gets tiring to see the same response. For instance, this is the guy who killed Bin Laden. He may feel a little anger at the event and disgust at peoples responses. Is a top navy seal depraved and villainous? Could be, but maybe not. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/q2clZ/83031f4531.jpg) Most people are horrified, saddened or angered to one degree or another, but when a thread is full of 'sad' 'omg' 'horrific' it just comes off as the same disingenuous sentiments all over again. Even if the comments are not disingenuous at all. Finally, in these types of threads while it may not be true in this particular instance, emotions can run a little high. Give a little leeway, a tragedy just happened and people may feel sad, angry, or disgusted. And they may direct it at each other. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Seedfan
58 Posts
Being tired of people sending their sentiments to people who can't be reached by them over and over can come off as lacking authenticity. And by authenticity, you mean what exactly? No-one is dumb enough to actually believe candles and hashtags will solve everything but what's wrong with people expressing sadness, disbelief or whichever when meaningless violence happens? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 15 2016 13:20 SK.Testie wrote: No, edgy would have fallen under the, "good, I'm glad it happened." No, I was gonna say that's just "edgier" but that's not in the domain of edginess at that point. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On July 15 2016 13:24 Seedfan wrote: And by authenticity, you mean what exactly? No-one is dumb enough to actually believe candles and hashtags will solve everything but what's wrong with people expressing sadness, disbelief or whichever when meaningless violence happens? I didn't say it was a bad thing. That's a debate we could have if you want but I feel like I could take either side in it. I simply explained why some people may get tired of it and express it. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
In this case I can't help to think it's particularly sad. People have died, people are expressing their sadness and anger with varying degrees of emotion and perhaps honesty... why would mere hours after the fact would someone feel like it's appropriate to think the most important thing is to question the honesty of the feelings that people are expressing? Seems like you could just have that though and gtfo. Like if you're an atheist and grandpa dies and people start saying "he's in heaven now" you don't correct them, no one gives a shit what you think at that particular moment. Some of the people who are posting about how sad they are right now are actually crying warm tears. Others like myself do it with a straight face, numbed by it. This is very sad I say, because I think it is but I feel nothing. Is it even remotely reasonable that the main thing someone would pull out of an event where 70 people died that people are not entirely honest about how they feel online? Fuck if people knew what I'm thinking when I'm giving my condolences they'd look at me funny. Non-issue. Anyway I'm done addressing that ridiculous idea. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
"Fake empathy" and "pathetic conversation"was aimed at the guy who was shaming rest of us for not feeling sad when a thing like this happens in Iraq or somewhere else. I wasnt talking about people who express sympahty for the tragedy here. And honestly, I do feel sad when stuff like that happens anywhere in the world. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
There's no in-between trying to play geo-politics with people like the House of Saud or picking so-called "moderates" and arming them which turns out to be the worst idea in the history of ideas (thank you McCain /sarc). On top of that you gotta get rid of the Petro-dollar which incentivizes the worst of all worlds when it comes to FP and the Middle East. Just no. There's a reason the former head of the CIA unit that was responsible for Bin Laden (Scheuer) lays out the same thing. It's obvious the status-quo of the West is not a solution. It is non-viable. So West, you going to shit or get off the pot? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Seedfan
58 Posts
On July 15 2016 13:32 SK.Testie wrote: I didn't say it was a bad thing. That's a debate we could have if you want but I feel like I could take either side in it. I simply explained why some people may get tired of it and express it. Still curious what you mean by authenticity. It's such a vague meaningless phrase. Also, I misread what you wrote, anyway. I read it as if you were saying you were tired of people etc. My bad. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On July 15 2016 13:49 Wegandi wrote: It's getting to that point in time where the West either needs to shit or get off the pot. There are only 2 viable choices here unfortunately. Either you go in hard and deal with Salafism, Wahhabism, and its ilk for good by doing the dirty necessary work which will cost a lot in blood and treasure, but can be done if there is the will for it, or, you stop doing the things that antagonize and rally people to the ideology - namely, stop interfering in Middle Eastern affairs, start becoming more like Switzerland with Foreign Policy (e.g. non-interventionist), stop giving aid to the same countries that are hot-beds of the aforementioned ideologies, and start in general minding our own fucking business. There's no in-between trying to play geo-politics with people like the House of Saud or picking so-called "moderates" and arming them which turns out to be the worst idea in the history of ideas (thank you McCain /sarc). On top of that you gotta get rid of the Petro-dollar which incentivizes the worst of all worlds when it comes to FP and the Middle East. Just no. There's a reason the former head of the CIA unit that was responsible for Bin Laden (Scheuer) lays out the same thing. It's obvious the status-quo of the West is not a solution. It is non-viable. So West, you going to shit or get off the pot? Only problem with minding our own business is that their ideology says everything is their business. They aren't just talking shit when they say they want to rule Rome or see "the Islamic flag" over Buckingham Palace or the White House. They're actually serious that they expect that to happen someday and no amount of minding our own business will keep people like that from trying to tangle with us and everyone else sooner or later. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 15 2016 13:49 Wegandi wrote: On top of that you gotta get rid of the Petro-dollar which incentivizes the worst of all worlds when it comes to FP and the Middle East. Could you expand on this? | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
"Luckily" no one I personally knew died, but this is just awful. Apparently another attack was stopped in its tracks? So we can take some solace in the fact that it could have been worse. I do wonder if the state of emergency changed anything. I suspect we might see a drastic increase in security measures now. This is far from over. They won't ever stop. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 15 2016 15:00 Spaylz wrote: I suspect we might see a drastic increase in security measures now. This is far from over. They won't ever stop. Good job Hollande, everything can be fixed by upping security after the fact and doing nothing about the problem beforehand. What a truely great leader. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On July 15 2016 07:26 FiWiFaKi wrote: Definitely something for the gun thread: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/general/313472-if-youre-seeing-this-topic-then-another-mass-shooting-happened-and-people-disagree-on-what-to-do I think the big lesson here is the importance of common values in a society. Like firearms, apparently renting trucks is now apparently something which is in need of regulation? What else is one supposed to take away from this? I'm very, very curious as to how the truck driver managed to bypass security in the way it did. Devastating news to wake up to. This is the third time I've woken up with my mother telling me that double-digit numbers of people died overnight. Never get used to it. Edit: Oh and Hollande deserves prison, he and his 900€ barber need to fucking get the fuck out of France and never fucking come back. That fucking little shit has blood on his hands and needs to answer for it | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 15 2016 15:33 Incognoto wrote: Like firearms, apparently renting trucks is now apparently something which is in need of regulation? What else is one supposed to take away from this? I'm very, very curious as to how the truck driver managed to bypass security in the way it did. Devastating news to wake up to. This is the third time I've woken up with my mother telling me that double-digit numbers of people died overnight. Never get used to it. Given that you are from France, can you describe what the sentiment is over there regarding Hollande and the government in dealing with these issues? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
People at my workplace haven't spoken a word about it yet, I guess we don't really talk about that here. Personally though, Hollande really deserves prison. Out, out with him. I've changed channels every time I saw his shitty fat fucking face on television and I'm going to listen to whatever fucking Obama or Merkel have to say really. Those are who I want to hear from. Hollande can stick an AK-47 up his ass | ||
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