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On April 10 2016 07:26 Aceace wrote:Wait a second.. azk in TL roster??? Hell no. No. No cheater should allowed second chances. Period. We always considered e-sports as a sport right? ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvq5cUzwY5nR7L080XtL7PGA2TyExKwHzmUAQwddwfyL6xgQ48kA) She is Lisa Dobriskey. She became 10th in 2012 London Olympics in 1500m womans. After race she told to press her rivals were probably cheating. After 4 years especially after technological improvements against doping and using biological identities as anti-doping system that race became one of the worst races in Olympics ![[image loading]](http://runningmagazine.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Womens-1500.jpg) See.. If those fucking cheaters didn't run that day maybe Lisa won a bronze medal! You will feel different when 9 opponents ahead of you then 3 opponents. (BTW i am a Turk and i am ashamed of these cheaters which come first and runner up. They simply dont have the olympic spirit. Olympics should care about racing, not winning. They don't deserve second chances. Just like Armstrong) Azk's matchfixing feels the same to me. I have a simple question for Nazgul? What do you feel about Lisa? What do you feel about Azk's matchfixing? Yes azk didn't cheat for win. Instead he throw on purpose. But also it doesn't mean he wont cheat again!!! He already showed his lack of ethics. Do you really belive azk is the right guy for TL? For me TL is ALWAYS the good guys of e-sports. If a damn cheater allowed to play under TL banner.... Nazgul. Please, i humbly request to reconsider your decision.
first ever big time olympian steroid cheat caught was ben johnson at the '88 olympics in korea. every other participant in the race was busted for 'roids later in their careers.
in a world where every one breaks the law.. the only crime is getting caught.
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On April 10 2016 10:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 09:52 nighcol wrote:On April 10 2016 08:57 Cyro wrote:Many people who want to go pro in it will have found a way to get in the beta already So how does one find "a way to get in the beta already". I've got half a team that's been waiting to play since the hour it was announced and am more than qualified - i have not had a chance, nor have almost all of the people that i know that want to play at a casual or competitive level. I don't know about how legal/illegal it is (probably varies by jurisdiction) but the most obvious way would be to just buy accounts from those that have received access. I'm certain some people have done that if they've not been lucky enough to know someone who knows someone at Blizzard or whatever. Blizzard ban for that, they also ban for account sharing. I've been knee deep in that drama with friends trying to get WoW beta access to compete with others that randomly got it.
Sure, but it's still a working option that would get someone practicing and I doubt it's very easy for Blizzard to find out. Of course it would limit what you can do pre-release somewhat but still.
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Why encourage people to spend large amounts of money to break the rules? Either of those suck but both together is way worse.
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On April 10 2016 10:26 Cyro wrote:
Why encourage people to spend large amounts of money to break the rules? Either of those suck but both together is way worse.
Who do you think is encouraging, Blizzard? Yeah, I don't really like the situation either but I don't think there's anything we can do about it.
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A lot of people. Blizz created the situation but people are doing this sort of thing and organizations like TL are rewarding it by picking up all of their players during the onlywatch phase.
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gl AZK
...RIP Swag 
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Signing an esports team for a game that isn't out yet with a team with a matchfixer? I see.
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what they did in the past shouldn't imo hurt them
If it was 5-6 years ago and not 1-2 years ago you might find more people agreeing with you, but there would still be a lot of hate.
Match fixing is one of the worst things that you can do as an esports player.
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I read your post about a new team sponsored by TL for the new Blizzard game, Overwatch.
Anytime there is sponsorship within e-sports I am excited since it promotes fiscal growth within the community; however, I wonder, isn’t this premature? The game has been in the beta stages for several months. Characters are not completely balanced and/or developed, there is still a lack of understanding of the roles, and the game is still evolving. I know Team Liquid wants to make its mark early, but isn’t part of the camaraderie and exhilaration of a new game working to be the best? How can Team Liquid make its roster on a new game based off previous FPS games? That would assume all FPS games are created equal and follow the same formula. This is not the case.
Gamers like to believe that they, either one person or many, can rise to the top of the ladder (or any ranking system) with hard work, skill and perseverance. In my opinion, making a team before the game is even released adds a certain futility to the hope gamers can someday be part of a well-respected team, like Team Liquid. It narrows the ability for future, better, gamers to work their way to the top echelon of gameplay.
I will not be one of those great players, as my hands are too crippled from playing Broodwar/SC, in the early 2000s, in my college days. I also enjoyed the bunny hopping before it was patched. But I never saw “pro” teams created before it was even out. It kind of defeats the purpose of trying to be “the best” when you have people retained on contract before we even see the game.
You can see my open letter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/507388-open-letter-to-team-liquid-on-overwatch
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Welcome to liquid everyone beside azk
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Is there even an Overwatch competitive scene?
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Before everybody gets their pitchforks out because of AZK, why don't we focus on Overwatch itself, which to me seems like the far bigger wildcard? For example, do we know for sure that Overwatch won't have the same shitty business model like that of Hearthstone? If it's anywhere near the same, then I'm not even going to consider watching or playing the game and I personally couldn't give two shits about whether a former CSGO match-fixer was playing for Liquid or not.
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Dummy was a super great player in TF2. Was on a bunch of great invite teams. Sorta disappointed TL didn't pick up Mix^ but hey, Dummy's great too.
Can't wait til I get my TF2 guys into this game. =)
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On April 10 2016 13:49 writer22816 wrote:
Before everybody gets their pitchforks out because of AZK, why don't we focus on Overwatch itself, which to me seems like the far bigger wildcard? For example, do we know for sure that Overwatch won't have the same shitty business model like that of Hearthstone? If it's anywhere near the same, then I'm not even going to consider watching or playing the game and I personally couldn't give two shits about whether a former CSGO match-fixer was playing for Liquid or not.
Blizzard cares enough about the integrity of Overwatch to allow the gameplay to dictate the payment model rather than the other way round. They've said that because you can switch characters in the middle of an Overwatch match they will release new heroes for free, you won't have to pay for anything that affects gameplay.
Even if it had a shitty payment model like LoL, HS, or Heroes, I don't think it would affect its viability as an eSport any ways (unfortunately).
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You cant compare the IBP throw to savi0r's throw in BW because one scene was at the peak of its era and one scene was still growing and not a fully developed scene.
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You cant compare the IBP throw to savi0r's throw
Match fixing is match fixing no matter how you try to justify it. You don't have to compare to savior, we have several ongoing issues with match fixing at the moment in starcraft 2 alone
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I thought TL would never sign shady people anymore but meh....... bad, bad move with azk.
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first time i have to disagree...anyway good luck... i hope nothing bad happens.
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On April 10 2016 08:48 Cyro wrote:
Why choose a team when the game is in a tiny closed beta? I'm not sure if 95% or 99.5% of the people who want to play overwatch have not been able to play yet, but it seems wrong.
I didn't expect TL to recruit match fixers either
TL has had a 'special relationship' with Blizzard ever since SC2 came out. In the money making side of website forums TL is uniquely positioned in the Blizzard community building aspect. I don't know how close TL staff are to Blizzard but any kind of negative comment about Blizzard gets scrutinised here.
Look at the Heroes of the Storm fiasco. There were puff piece 'hype' articles coming out for months, you would think HotS was the second coming of BW reading a TL article about it. It really felt like astro turfing how artificial it all felt, at least Hearthstone was a card game and LoL had its own organic hype.
And yes, it was clearly visible to anyone back then that no one was going to take HotS seriously. An unfinished game in beta that was going to be subjected to sweeping game changes to make it 'easier to get into' being forced into competitiveness, sigh. There has to be an organic community there for this to work.
edit: At least they arent building a new forum for Overwatch, just a team gets them an auto spot in Blizzcon and free tickets so I guess it pays off from that perspective.
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