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Denmark14978 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:27 Ansibled wrote: I'm not really a fan of picking up a player who got permanently banned for matchfixing... Pretty much, yeah. Honestly wont be able to cheer for this team even if overwatch turns out to be fun to watch. | ||
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hoLyNtt
United States170 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7180 Posts
On April 10 2016 06:16 Jealous wrote: Savior matchfixes, has his name stricken from the records, championships removed, almost universally hated on TL. Add matchfixer to Liquid` roster. Word. You just cannot compare Savior's matchfixing to what AZK and the rest of ex-ibuypower did. It was definitely bad, but to condemn AZK for the rest of his life, especially after hes permabanned from CS is just dumb | ||
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Jealous
10339 Posts
On April 10 2016 06:42 Luolis wrote: You just cannot compare Savior's matchfixing to what AZK and the rest of ex-ibuypower did. It was definitely bad, but to condemn AZK for the rest of his life, especially after hes permabanned from CS is just dumb He wasn't brokering like Savior was, but... http://www.dailydot.com/esports/match-fixing-counter-strike-ibuypower-netcode-guides/ "Now, the Daily Dot has been provided with new corroborating details from multiple sources that strongly indicate the game was fixed and that multiple, unusual bets were placed just prior to the match by a player with strong connections to the players on both sides—wagers that garnered more than $10,000 in earnings." Still pretty bad and I don't see how it's not comparable. 18 months seems like too little time, as well. | ||
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xou
France58 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7180 Posts
On April 10 2016 06:50 Jealous wrote: He wasn't brokering like Savior was, but... http://www.dailydot.com/esports/match-fixing-counter-strike-ibuypower-netcode-guides/ "Now, the Daily Dot has been provided with new corroborating details from multiple sources that strongly indicate the game was fixed and that multiple, unusual bets were placed just prior to the match by a player with strong connections to the players on both sides—wagers that garnered more than $10,000 in earnings." Still pretty bad and I don't see how it's not comparable. 18 months seems like too little time, as well. To be fair the earnings werent in money but rather in CS:GO skins, which, even though its bad, it's atleast not as bad as for getting 10000$ in money. One of the reasons i don't like comparing the cases is that Savior was brokering alot of games in Proleague, the biggest and best league in Starcraft at the time, with lots of different players and making the sc-scene a mess pretty much. On the other hand IBP threw one pointless match which didn't have any meaning (kinda like that one Naniwa vs Nestea game) but decided to get some earnings from that (which was a dumb choice for sure) since they didn't get salary or anything and were apparently quite poor. Now im not saying that what IBP did was right, it definitely wasnt and i was against unbanning them for a long time, but i think that they have definitely understood just how bad what they did was and i wouldn't have trouble seeing them play CS:GO again, but since that isnt possible moving onto other games, what they did in the past shouldn't imo hurt them. That's why i dont feel bad about AZK being on this team. I doubt that they would go and throw a game for short term earnings and i think that he and the rest of the team have suffered their punishment. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
glhf | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On April 10 2016 07:01 Luolis wrote: To be fair the earnings werent in money but rather in CS:GO skins, which, even though its bad, it's atleast not as bad as for getting 10000$ in money. One of the reasons i don't like comparing the cases is that Savior was brokering alot of games in Proleague, the biggest and best league in Starcraft at the time, with lots of different players and making the sc-scene a mess pretty much. On the other hand IBP threw one pointless match which didn't have any meaning (kinda like that one Naniwa vs Nestea game) but decided to get some earnings from that (which was a dumb choice for sure) since they didn't get salary or anything and were apparently quite poor. Now im not saying that what IBP did was right, it definitely wasnt and i was against unbanning them for a long time, but i think that they have definitely understood just how bad what they did was and i wouldn't have trouble seeing them play CS:GO again, but since that isnt possible moving onto other games, what they did in the past shouldn't imo hurt them. That's why i dont feel bad about AZK being on this team. I doubt that they would go and throw a game for short term earnings and i think that he and the rest of the team have suffered their punishment. I think it's largely a question of how likely a repeat offense is. With someone who's been permabanned from CS:GO, and seen how much shit you get in for matchfixing, I think the chances are QUITE low that he or she would matchfix again. Come to think of it, Savior probably wouldn't matchfix again, but that's neither here nor there. I think the biggest determining factor behind the hatred for and disappointment in Savior is his status as a legend of BW. The guy was one of the greatest SC:BW players of all time, and was getting paid a lot in endorsements, team salary, and winnings. IBP, from the little I know about the situation, was nowhere near the status of Savior in terms of gosu-ness and prestige in the game they played. Savior has no redeeming qualities with regards to his matchfixing. He was winning and winning and winning, and had become a legend in SC, and THEN committed his offense. The let-down just isn't the same for IBP. | ||
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
Hell no. No. No cheater should allowed second chances. Period. We always considered e-sports as a sport right? She is Lisa Dobriskey. She became 10th in 2012 London Olympics in 1500m womans. After race she told to press her rivals were probably cheating. After 4 years especially after technological improvements against doping and using biological identities as anti-doping system that race became one of the worst races in Olympics ![[image loading]](http://runningmagazine.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Womens-1500.jpg) See.. If those fucking cheaters didn't run that day maybe Lisa won a bronze medal! You will feel different when 9 opponents ahead of you then 3 opponents. (BTW i am a Turk and i am ashamed of these cheaters which come first and runner up. They simply dont have the olympic spirit. Olympics should care about racing, not winning. They don't deserve second chances. Just like Armstrong) Azk's matchfixing feels the same to me. I have a simple question for Nazgul? What do you feel about Lisa? What do you feel about Azk's matchfixing? Yes azk didn't cheat for win. Instead he throw on purpose. But also it doesn't mean he wont cheat again!!! He already showed his lack of ethics. Do you really belive azk is the right guy for TL? For me TL is ALWAYS the good guys of e-sports. If a damn cheater allowed to play under TL banner.... Nazgul. Please, i humbly request to reconsider your decision. | ||
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Magotto
Hungary33 Posts
Now please recruit more ql legends like Cooller and Strenx  | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On April 10 2016 03:42 ZeromuS wrote: I played with Rapha the other day in two matches. Dude is good, but I don't know how serious he is taking it tbh he mentioned he was just enjoying playing for now when i asked him. We asked him in his stream chat and he said he's interested in competing. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7180 Posts
On April 10 2016 07:26 Aceace wrote: Wait a second.. azk in TL roster??? Hell no. No. No cheater should allowed second chances. Period. We always considered e-sports as a sport right? She is Lisa Dobriskey. She became 10th in 2012 London Olympics in 1500m womans. After race she told to press her rivals were probably cheating. After 4 years especially after technological improvements against doping and using biological identities as anti-doping system that race became one of the worst races in Olympics See.. If those fucking cheaters didn't run that day maybe Lisa won a bronze medal! You will feel different when 9 opponents ahead of you then 3 opponents. (BTW i am a Turk and i am ashamed of these cheaters which come first and runner up. They simply dont have the olympic spirit. Olympics should care about racing, not winning. They don't deserve second chances. Just like Armstrong) Azk's matchfixing feels the same to me. I have a simple question for Nazgul? What do you feel about Lisa? What do you feel about Azk's matchfixing? Yes azk didn't cheat for win. Instead he throw on purpose. But also it doesn't mean he wont cheat again!!! He already showed his lack of ethics. Do you really belive azk is the right guy for TL? For me TL is ALWAYS the good guys of e-sports. If a damn cheater allowed to play under TL banner.... Nazgul. Please, i humbly request to reconsider your decision. If it makes you feel any better prolly a majority of the current CS-scene players have cheated at one point in 1.6 or something. I doubt theyre cheating now, so a lot of the time people do change. Also check my post earlier where i talked about the IBP-incicent | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20338 Posts
I didn't expect TL to recruit match fixers either | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:48 Cyro wrote: Why choose a team when the game is in a tiny closed beta? I'm not sure if 95% or 99% of the people who want to play overwatch have not been able to play yet, but it seems wrong. Many people who want to go pro in it will have found a way to get in the beta already and during the early competition they'll have a big advantage. Seems like pretty much all of them also have a competitive background in other first person shooters and some of those skills will certainly apply. Don't know what the timeframe is for the start of big tournaments but if it's at all close to release it absolutely makes sense to already start forming squads. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20338 Posts
Many people who want to go pro in it will have found a way to get in the beta already So how does one find "a way to get in the beta already". I've got half a team that's been waiting to play since the hour it was announced and am more than qualified - i have not had a chance, nor have almost all of the people that i know that want to play at a casual or competitive level. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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nighcol
298 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:57 Cyro wrote: So how does one find "a way to get in the beta already". I've got half a team that's been waiting to play since the hour it was announced and am more than qualified - i have not had a chance, nor have almost all of the people that i know that want to play at a casual or competitive level. I don't know about how legal/illegal it is (probably varies by jurisdiction) but the most obvious way would be to just buy accounts from those that have received access. I'm certain some people have done that if they've not been lucky enough to know someone who knows someone at Blizzard or whatever. | ||
Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
On April 10 2016 09:52 nighcol wrote: I don't know about how legal/illegal it is (probably varies by jurisdiction) but the most obvious way would be to just buy accounts from those that have received access. I'm certain some people have done that if they've not been lucky enough to know someone who knows someone at Blizzard or whatever. Pretty sure that wouldn't be 'illegal' anywhere, but would be against their terms of use, so they could just ban you if they found out. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20338 Posts
On April 10 2016 09:52 nighcol wrote: I don't know about how legal/illegal it is (probably varies by jurisdiction) but the most obvious way would be to just buy accounts from those that have received access. I'm certain some people have done that if they've not been lucky enough to know someone who knows someone at Blizzard or whatever. Blizzard ban for that, they also ban for account sharing. I've been knee deep in that drama with friends trying to get WoW beta access to compete with others that randomly got it. | ||
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