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On April 10 2016 13:11 SirPinky wrote:I read your post about a new team sponsored by TL for the new Blizzard game, Overwatch. Anytime there is sponsorship within e-sports I am excited since it promotes fiscal growth within the community; however, I wonder, isn’t this premature? The game has been in the beta stages for several months. Characters are not completely balanced and/or developed, there is still a lack of understanding of the roles, and the game is still evolving. I know Team Liquid wants to make its mark early, but isn’t part of the camaraderie and exhilaration of a new game working to be the best? How can Team Liquid make its roster on a new game based off previous FPS games? That would assume all FPS games are created equal and follow the same formula. This is not the case. Gamers like to believe that they, either one person or many, can rise to the top of the ladder (or any ranking system) with hard work, skill and perseverance. In my opinion, making a team before the game is even released adds a certain futility to the hope gamers can someday be part of a well-respected team, like Team Liquid. It narrows the ability for future, better, gamers to work their way to the top echelon of gameplay. I will not be one of those great players, as my hands are too crippled from playing Broodwar/SC, in the early 2000s, in my college days. I also enjoyed the bunny hopping before it was patched. But I never saw “pro” teams created before it was even out. It kind of defeats the purpose of trying to be “the best” when you have people retained on contract before we even see the game. You can see my open letter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/507388-open-letter-to-team-liquid-on-overwatch
I don't see how's that's the case.
They're looking at a team with talent, and putting in resources to help developer that talent. A lot of these people might not be in the scene six months from now, but that's normal. Game competitions are fierce and dynamic. Most of the people on top of the ladder in Wings of Liberty beta are not going to be the same people who have huge dynasties in the game years later.
I don't think such a headstart matters long-term. That type of skill isnt a snowball. And I think Blizzard recognizes that, and they understand equal opportunity is important, thats why Hots and Hearthstone didnt have a prizepool their first year at Blizzcon, since it would be unfair because there wasnt open qualifiers.
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not bad picking up dahang.
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I'm gonna be the lone voice here and say that I think a second chance for azk is in order. I know I'm not the only one here who has harmed others by making stupid, selfish decisions. However, the lessons we learn from those instances are what shapes us into the people we are; those single bad decisions shouldn't hurt us for the rest of our lives.
I don't support lifelong punishments on first offenses for pretty much anything but the most extreme circumstances (I. E. murder), and I don't think participating match fixing is anywhere close to that category. Azk has clearly felt his shame, suffered his punishment from valve, learned his lesson, made his apology, and is ready to move on.
Best of luck to TL in Overwatch!
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Match fixers should not receive second chances. Period. That is the worst thing you can do as a competitor, as it is on par with cheating just in the opposite direction.
And I do not care about Overwatch, but Liquid was once the team, which have had higher standards. I am quite dissapointed by that.
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On April 10 2016 17:36 Kitai wrote:
I'm gonna be the lone voice here and say that I think a second chance for azk is in order. I know I'm not the only one here who has harmed others by making stupid, selfish decisions. However, the lessons we learn from those instances are what shapes us into the people we are; those single bad decisions shouldn't hurt us for the rest of our lives.
I don't support lifelong punishments on first offenses for pretty much anything but the most extreme circumstances (I. E. murder), and I don't think participating match fixing is anywhere close to that category. Azk has clearly felt his shame, suffered his punishment from valve, learned his lesson, made his apology, and is ready to move on.
Best of luck to TL in Overwatch!
I agree with this pretty much 100%. And I also trust Liquid to work with azk close enough that he'll grow as a player and as a person.
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On April 10 2016 01:44 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 01:35 Tephus wrote:On April 10 2016 01:22 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Tfw Dahang.
Cypher and Cooller in CIS Overwatch when.
Gz to everyone involved! ^_^ Those two guys have played in a bunch of tournaments already. Yep. Super excited for this team! Hype!
ok I might get interested in Overwatch if Cypher and Cooller pick up the game for real :O
Dahang is a step forward though
e: oh Cooller and Cypher are on a team with av3k, didn't know you could play Overwatch from prison
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Never heard of the others before but I certainly remember DaHanG. He was one of the top 8 players in Quake Live when it was still played at IEM. I always enjoyed watching that game there and was a bit sad when it was dropped. Nice to see him being supported by Liquid now.
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On April 10 2016 17:36 Kitai wrote:
I'm gonna be the lone voice here and say that I think a second chance for azk is in order. I know I'm not the only one here who has harmed others by making stupid, selfish decisions. However, the lessons we learn from those instances are what shapes us into the people we are; those single bad decisions shouldn't hurt us for the rest of our lives.
I don't support lifelong punishments on first offenses for pretty much anything but the most extreme circumstances (I. E. murder), and I don't think participating match fixing is anywhere close to that category. Azk has clearly felt his shame, suffered his punishment from valve, learned his lesson, made his apology, and is ready to move on.
Best of luck to TL in Overwatch!
I agree with you. Gl TL and gl AZK
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Ooooh shit, motherfucking DaHang!! Niiiice
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Nice ! Cant wait till overwatch goes out! Well actually I can cause DS3 is out soon :D ! But THis will be an awesome scene to follow ! GL team !
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On April 10 2016 18:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 01:44 ZeromuS wrote:On April 10 2016 01:35 Tephus wrote:On April 10 2016 01:22 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Tfw Dahang.
Cypher and Cooller in CIS Overwatch when.
Gz to everyone involved! ^_^ Those two guys have played in a bunch of tournaments already. Yep. Super excited for this team! Hype! ok I might get interested in Overwatch if Cypher and Cooller pick up the game for real :O Dahang is a step forward though e: oh Cooller and Cypher are on a team with av3k, didn't know you could play Overwatch from prison
By prison, you mean on set at his porn shoots? :^)
(i am aware of his drug smuggling thing though)
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On April 10 2016 17:36 Kitai wrote:
I'm gonna be the lone voice here and say that I think a second chance for azk is in order. I know I'm not the only one here who has harmed others by making stupid, selfish decisions. However, the lessons we learn from those instances are what shapes us into the people we are; those single bad decisions shouldn't hurt us for the rest of our lives.
I don't support lifelong punishments on first offenses for pretty much anything but the most extreme circumstances (I. E. murder), and I don't think participating match fixing is anywhere close to that category. Azk has clearly felt his shame, suffered his punishment from valve, learned his lesson, made his apology, and is ready to move on.
Best of luck to TL in Overwatch!
I agree with you, lifelong punishments leave little for reform, especially in it's first ever instance.
Good luck to AZK!
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Go Liquid! I hope the game gather momentum enough to be really big.
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so
how much did blizzard pay tl ?
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Congratulations! esports ~ ESPORTS ~ E-SPORTS!
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First a cheater in CS:GO now here... Liquid lost ist Soul.
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Ok so for all the people who weren't around when ibp actually threw the match in question let me fill you in on a few facts.
Ibp had just returned from a month in Europe at which point they were forced to play a match online in cevo that had no implications on their standings (they would finish first in the league regardless). The match was on season a map that was not played in Europe at all and Ibp hadn't played for at least 3 months as they were prepping for international lans.
Furthermore, they were playing netcode guides a team that the ingame leader of ibp (dazed) was a co owner of. Netcode needed a win in order to make playoffs. Funny that no one hates on cevo at all for this even though they allowed this conflict of interest in the first place.
Now tell me your sorry for the people who bet on ibp at 6-1 odds considering all those factors, they deserved to lose their money anyways. Not saying I condone match fixing but it drives me crazy seeing all the people parroting "match fixers shouldn't get a second chance" without knowing any of the context.
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Another liquid team? I know expanding to different scene is good but it's quite risky when the game is still in beta.
But no matter what, you know damn well I will be rooting for tl
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On April 11 2016 00:33 whuderE wrote:
Ok so for all the people who weren't around when ibp actually threw the match in question let me fill you in on a few facts.
Ibp had just returned from a month in Europe at which point they were forced to play a match online in cevo that had no implications on their standings (they would finish first in the league regardless). The match was on season a map that was not played in Europe at all and Ibp hadn't played for at least 3 months as they were prepping for international lans.
Furthermore, they were playing netcode guides a team that the ingame leader of ibp (dazed) was a co owner of. Netcode needed a win in order to make playoffs. Funny that no one hates on cevo at all for this even though they allowed this conflict of interest in the first place.
Now tell me your sorry for the people who bet on ibp at 6-1 odds considering all those factors, they deserved to lose their money anyways. Not saying I condone match fixing but it drives me crazy seeing all the people parroting "match fixers shouldn't get a second chance" without knowing any of the context.
Doesn't this happen in F1? I'm pretty sure I've seen some guys let his mate pass in front of him because he had a better placement in the championship. Indeed it's a pretty big mistake from CEVO in the first place.
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On April 11 2016 00:10 Lappen.464 wrote:
First a cheater in CS:GO now here... Liquid lost ist Soul.
They got cursed.
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