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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On December 03 2023 11:20 Falling wrote: I don't believe being non-commital about a subject is scoring political points. Quite frankly, I don't think it's the subject Pierre wants to score political points on. If he had his way, I think he'd love to bang away about housing, interest rates, the cost of living, and Axe the Tax until the next election. I think, he thinks, he's found his winning formula, maybe dredge up a few old scandals like Lavelin for good measure. You watch. Trudeau will try to make some play, claiming that Pierre is going to ban abortion or some such, and Pierre will try and stay in the pocket, banging on about expenses. the law against abortion was struck down in 1988 as unconstitutional. A new law would have to get past the senate and then of course withstand a constitutional test. It probably won't even get through the Senate. While all that is happening many, many Docs will just do the Morgentaler thing and keep offering abortions. Also, I don't think Justin can scare people into thinking Double "P" can somehow pull off a miracle and somehow pull every lever correctly. PP can say to his party ... i'd like to ban abortion but the way things are set up it won't work. IMO, Mulroney intentionally failed with his little offensive on abortion in '88. PP will do the same thing if he sticks around a long time as PM. He'll create an initiative to heavily restrict or ban abortions that he knows will fail. He'll then say to the party "sry guys i tried". All this is assuming PP is as smart as PC old timers like Bill Davis, Mike Harris, Brian Mulroney, Michael Wilson etc etc. I hope he is that smart. This country needs a book smart and street smart leader. Interestingly, the very restrictive abortion law of 1969 was crafted and passed by Justin's father. For much of P.E.T.'s tenure he had massive amounts of power in canada and within the liberal party. And yet he never chose to change that law over a 15 year time span. hmmmm...... Interestingly, the Morgentaler clinic is now a building housing BMO. And look what our Palestinian protestor friends did. ![[image loading]](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thestar.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/f0/bf04fbfd-c193-57ad-8e6e-45702688940c/656bf2b60f460.image.jpg?resize=667%2C500) They painted "Blood On BMO Hands". Also, Dr. Morgentaler is jewish. How deep is the irony? Are Palestinians pro abortion? I'm guessing not. I doubt our palestinian protestor friends have any idea the double meaning in their writing. "There's a sign on the wall, but she wants to be sure...cause you know sometimes words have two meanings...." On December 03 2023 11:23 JimmiC wrote: With your logic we shouldn’t trust kids for any crime, its too difficult to ascertain. so leave it to the parents. The teachers are complaining they are over worked. Let's lighten their load. Greater parental involvement is the way to go. https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/teachers-say-theyre-overworked-as-strike-wednesday-pushes-english-schools-online | ||
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BradTheBaneling
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You’re aware that the “terrorism” India was referencing was in large part an Air India bombing that happened when Nijjar was 8. Yeah you didn’t know about India’s history with international assassinations and maybe that’s why no one would have considered shoving a mic in front of you… I mean no offence, you’re not trying to become the PM of the country. I get why you wouldn’t have had a decent response due to a lack of knowledge, that’s not an acceptable excuse for Pierre. And no option D. doesn’t exist because it presumes that either 1. Trudeau is making this up without concrete evidence to start an international dispute with India for funsies or to just engage in some treason 2. Our intelligence services suck and are feeding him lies which he honestly believes are truths It’s also incredibly weird that the PM of your own country is given the same benefit of the doubt as the PM of a nation half way across the fucking world that is engaging in democratic backsliding in his already flawed democracy as rated by almost every group on Earth involved with such things. You really have to wonder what kind of allegiance a person owes to the country they are residing in. | ||
Falling
Canada11350 Posts
I don't understand why you are posting so aggressively and limiting options to this binary thinking over a "Wait and see" attitude. Questioning allegiance over it? You are either with us or against us, I guess. Also, JimmyJ Heehee, he said "PP". Is it a little PP? Come on, now. We can do better than the general dismissive commenter on CBC articles I'm not saying the strategy will work, but I'm saying a similar play will be made. I think we just saw it now as they are making the Pollievre = Trump/ MAGA Nation. Sunny Ways are gone, I guess. Too bad. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On December 05 2023 04:26 Falling wrote: Also, JimmyJ Heehee, he said "PP". Is it a little PP? Come on, now. We can do better than the general dismissive commenter on CBC articles I'm not saying the strategy will work, but I'm saying a similar play will be made. I think we just saw it now as they are making the Pollievre = Trump/ MAGA Nation. Sunny Ways are gone, I guess. Too bad. fair enough. The nicknames and acronyms thrown around by me do not indicate a disdain for him; I am just being lazy. I don't know much about him. I hope the guy is a brilliant PM and Canada can get back to what it was from 1946 to 2008. That is, a solid alternative to the USA. I strongly prefer a street smart top notch legal mind leading the country. People like that can weed through the BS and negotiate with other countries successfully. I'm not betting on Canada though. I've been hedging against Canada since 2005. Unfortunately, my bet has been a good one.  Compare Broadbent, Pierre Trudeau, and Joe Clark to the guys we have now. Its just sad man. Also compare , Chretien, Alexa McDonough, and Manning to what we got now. Again, its sad. Its not just Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien that I think were great. It was the team they built around them. These were some top-notch, bad ass MoFos. As this point I'm just resigned to watching replays of the 2014 Olympics as Canada displayed the power of its large, affluent, healthy middle class built by P.E.T. , Mulroney, and Chretien. Remember when Canada was cool? This was so fucking bad ass. | ||
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BradTheBaneling
37 Posts
On December 05 2023 04:26 Falling wrote: I'm sorry but what country are you from that you automatically believe everything the government says right when they say it? I suppose there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq as well? I don't understand why you are posting so aggressively and limiting options to this binary thinking over a "Wait and see" attitude. Questioning allegiance over it? You are either with us or against us, I guess. Also, JimmyJ Heehee, he said "PP". Is it a little PP? Come on, now. We can do better than the general dismissive commenter on CBC articles I'm not saying the strategy will work, but I'm saying a similar play will be made. I think we just saw it now as they are making the Pollievre = Trump/ MAGA Nation. Sunny Ways are gone, I guess. Too bad. If you’re asking me if I believe the government would lie about another country murdering one of our citizens… Yes I find that hard to believe. What would the purpose be? The point of lying about yellowcake was that you could use that to preempt an invasion. It’s also weird that in spite of the Indian government not even really denying it you’d still believe that Trudeau may have lied about it. Except some cases call for binary thinking, for example whether to trust the PM of Canada or the PM of India. Yes I’d certainly question some allegiances when someone tells me that they’d believe the CCP equally as likely as they’d believe the PM of Canada. Jimmer: Yes the country should be judged by the fact that in the 70s and 90s we had Villeneuve and in the 2020s we instead get Stroll and Latifi. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Canada rofl-stomped everyone in Junior hockey whenever there was an NHL work stoppage because the 18 year old Canadians were on strike and playing in the tourney. No country in the history of hockey in a best-on-best events dominated the way Canada did from 1998 to 2014 in both Junior and Pro. Canada's economic dominance also produced this moment. The Toronto BLue Jays kicked the New York Yankees asses for a decade. The #1 mind in baseball, America's past time, worked for a Canadian team. New York .. didn't know what hit them... as anonymous pitcher after anonymous pitcher invaded the USA and silenced every very expensive New York Yankee slugger. Every great Starcraft player was Korean... except for 1 Canadian.  Damn, Canada was cool. Now, 1 in 10 Torontonians relies on a food bank. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/one-in-10-torontonians-now-rely-on-a-food-bank-1.7027318 There were always tiny areas of the city that had a nasty , chaotic feeling. Now, there are people with mental health issues wandering every where. Toronto feels like an early stage in a Borderlands game with Random Psychos wandering around screaming. In this imaginary scenario i see Justin Trudeau as "Handsome Jack". https://globalnews.ca/news/9434900/toronto-mayor-calls-national-summit-mental-health-crisis/ Toronto is a fucking warzone. A 20 minute walk from where the Raptors and Maple Leafs play one can purchase unprotected sexual intercourse, near Queen and Sherbourne, for $30 CDN. Welcome to the Borderlands. | ||
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BradTheBaneling
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On December 06 2023 00:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: LOL, the point is that hockey and auto racing are very expensive childhood hobbies. So, it wasn't just Jacques Villeneuve. It was the late Greg Moore, Paul Tracy, and Scott Goodyear. etc etc. For crying in the sink, Canada damn near won the IndyCar nation's cup. Canada produced a massive wave of auto racing talent with Villeneuve winning IndyCar championship and F1 title and Tracy winning the IndyCar title as well. Canada rofl-stomped everyone in Junior hockey whenever there was an NHL work stoppage because the 18 year old Canadians were on strike and playing in the tourney. No country in the history of hockey in a best-on-best events dominated the way Canada did from 1998 to 2014 in both Junior and Pro. Canada's economic dominance also produced this moment. The Toronto BLue Jays kicked the New York Yankees asses for a decade. The #1 mind in baseball, America's past time, worked for a Canadian team. New York .. didn't know what hit them... as anonymous pitcher after anonymous pitcher invaded the USA and silenced every very expensive New York Yankee slugger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWCGs27_xPI Every great Starcraft player was Korean... except for 1 Canadian. Damn, Canada was cool. Now, 1 in 10 Torontonians relies on a food bank. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/one-in-10-torontonians-now-rely-on-a-food-bank-1.7027318 There were always tiny areas of the city that had a nasty , chaotic feeling. Now, there are people with mental health issues wandering every where. Toronto feels like an early stage in a Borderlands game with Random Psychos wandering around screaming. In this imaginary scenario i see Justin Trudeau as "Handsome Jack". https://globalnews.ca/news/9434900/toronto-mayor-calls-national-summit-mental-health-crisis/ Toronto is a fucking warzone. A 20 minute walk from where the Raptors and Maple Leafs play one can purchase unprotected sexual intercourse, near Queen and Sherbourne, for $30 CDN. Welcome to the Borderlands. We won the winter Olympics on home turf in 2010. I mean it’s kind of weird to consider the Blue Jays “Canadian” when in 1992 we didn’t have a single Canadian on the roster and in 1993 we had 1. I don’t care whatsoever about Indycar, Formula 1.5 is about as interesting to me as F2 is. You’re also not even mentioning the better Villeneuve, yeah Jacques won a championship but Gilles was one of the quickest drivers in the history of the sport. He drove with zero regard for the safety of himself or the car, but he was by far the best Canadian driver ever. We didn’t win a single WJC from 1998-2004… We won 2005-09 and then didn’t win one again until 2015. We’ve literally won half of the WJCs since Trudeau’s been PM. Canada's economic dominance also produced this moment. In the 90s? We were the worlds 10th largest economy in 1990. In 2020 we were the worlds 9th largest economy. Furthermore the Jays had the 7th highest payroll in the MLB in 2023… It’s very weird to associate the success of a nation with something that is entirely non-deterministic like how many of their sports teams were winning. Which also makes me wonder… Why didn’t you mention the Raptors? Basketball is the fastest growing of the big4 sports in North America and the Raptors brought a championship to Toronto for the first time history of the NBA. I guess the tens of thousands of people parading through the streets in Toronto to celebrate just doesn’t count. Really weird. Yes because when we think of sc1 we think of when they were wearing space suits while playing the games. > There were always tiny areas of the city that had a nasty , chaotic feeling. Now, there are people with mental health issues wandering every where. Toronto feels like an early stage in a Borderlands game with Random Psychos wandering around screaming. In this imaginary scenario i see Justin Trudeau as "Handsome Jack". Yeah you definitely don’t live in Toronto. I promise you, it’s not like that. And does it surprise you that the largest contingent of homeless people exists in the largest city in the country? Next thing you’re going to tell me is that Los Angeles and New York have a problem with homelessness. Toronto is a fucking warzone. A 20 minute walk from where the Raptors and Maple Leafs play one can purchase unprotected sexual intercourse, near Queen and Sherbourne, for $30 CDN. LOL. LOLOLOL. Honestly this got me to actually laugh so I have to give it to you on that one. I’m going to break some terrible news to you: There was absolutely still prostitution in Toronto in the 80s and 90s. In fact since there’s been a “Toronto”, there’s been prostitution in Toronto. Honestly you did make me laugh at the idea of your thought process being - “Things are so bad now thanks to Trudeau, back in the 90s Toronto was the only city in the world that was prostitution free”. Wait after I made this post it occurred to me that maybe this is about the price. You’d be fine with prostitution at the ticket gate of the ACC if the blowjob was $700, perhaps? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On December 09 2023 04:37 BradTheBaneling wrote: > There were always tiny areas of the city that had a nasty , chaotic feeling. Now, there are people with mental health issues wandering every where. Toronto feels like an early stage in a Borderlands game with Random Psychos wandering around screaming. In this imaginary scenario i see Justin Trudeau as "Handsome Jack". Yeah you definitely don’t live in Toronto. I promise you, it’s not like that. "wandering everywhere" is too vague. So I will retract that. However, huge swaths of the city have all kinds of people wandering around 24/7 with serious mental health problems. Olivia Chow just expanded the "Toronto Community Crisis Service" to encompass the entire city. Sadly, this is the right move https://www.toronto.ca/news/city-of-toronto-executive-committee-adopts-plan-to-expand-toronto-community-crisis-service-citywide-after-successful-first-year/ I visit all the time. huge swaths of Toronto are super nasty. i've posted a couple of videos. People with mental health issues wandering around used to be close to places like that QUeen Street Mental Institution at Queen and Lansdowne. No longer, there are many many neighbourhoods similar to Queen and Lansdowne in 2023. The prevalence of people with severe mental health issues wandering throughout the city prompted Torey to request a mental health summit. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-mayor-mental-health-1.6725317 You see, when cutbacks to the medical system began in the 1980s they started with mental health services because these are far less tangible than physical health services. The cutbacks were prompted by the Feds lowering healthcare transfer payments to the Provinces. Currently , the Feds contribute 22%. In 1977 the Feds covered 48%. This is why Torey wanted a NATIONAL summit. He wants more funding from the Feds. Torey tried to get Handsome Jack involved. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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from 1961 to 2006 we only had 7 years of 2% or lower growth. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CAN/canada/gdp-growth-rate Sad man. Just sad. This is a big reason the nurses are leaving the software engineers are leaving.. the Drs are leaving and now the immigrants are leaving. If a hard working ambitious person sees better opportunity elsewhere they should leave. I did. Tough decision but the right decision. Sources granted upon request. On December 09 2023 04:37 BradTheBaneling wrote: Wait after I made this post it occurred to me that maybe this is about the price. You’d be fine with prostitution at the ticket gate of the ACC if the blowjob was $700, perhaps? so you're then conceding that Queen and Sherbourne is a frightening scarey place of violence , drugs, and mental derangement? My problem is that we have a large number of drug addled mentally compromised zombies living under brutal conditions. Hence, you get some offering sex for $30. Super Sad stuff. On December 09 2023 04:37 BradTheBaneling wrote: > There were always tiny areas of the city that had a nasty , chaotic feeling. Now, there are people with mental health issues wandering every where. Toronto feels like an early stage in a Borderlands game with Random Psychos wandering around screaming. In this imaginary scenario i see Justin Trudeau as "Handsome Jack". Yeah you definitely don’t live in Toronto. I promise you, it’s not like that. We can go through various neighbourhoods 1 by 1 if you like. Next we can check out the stretch of Yonge Street just south of Yonge and Wellesley where "Zanta" frequents outside the Liquor Store. YOu know the spot where that 24 Hour Porno Viewing Room Theatre is. After that we can cover Jarvis and Dundas. https://www.reddit.com/r/askTO/comments/qg7r1j/newly_moving_to_dundasjarvis_some_questions/ I used to shop at the freshco when I was in that area (when I was in my mid 20s). For the most part it's fine, just avoid interacting with folks. Just walk, don't respond. It's a bit jarring at first, but overall not as scary as I would have thought. Really just watch out being alone at night. Don't lend ur phone to anyone. Don't lock your bike outside in that area. Recommend getting some self protection items like the kitty keyring if you are nervous. I disagree with the "don't walk alone at night" as long as you're male over 6 feet tall with at least a little bit of confidence. no one will mess with you. ALso, I referred to Canada as the "Borderlands". Welp, 90% of Canada's population is within 150km of the border. Unfortunately, too many parts of Toronto are becoming like the video game franchises early stages. Wandering Psychos... groups of bandits.etc. | ||
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JimmiC
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ZeromuS
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People saying he should step down if they lose Bennett's seat. I doubt that will happen. I don't, honestly, think replacing the leader will help at all with the polling of the LPC. Every other possible leader is in cabinet as is. There's no one who can really distance themselves from Trudeau as leader, imo. With the exception of maybe Anand. But she hasn't held any big, visible cabinet seats to be a name people know. And with the anti-immigrant sentiment growing, a POC as leader of the LPC, who is also a woman, in this climate, going up against PP who stokes a lot of anger... I don't think it would work out. If they have to run someone who will be tied to Trudeau as a negative, might as well Trudeau. He's charismatic and still has faith of the party faithful at large, and he has the most experience. | ||
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
It's strange; historically minority governments have been very unstable, lasting only a year or so. (Harper, I think, had the fourth longest minority government at three or so years.) Yet the more unpopular the two coalition parties become, the more likely we extend this minority government to its full term as the two parties in power are afraid, even terrified of facing the citizens. I also don't think it's anti-immigration that we are seeing per se, but rather anti-bring-in-one-million-immigrants-per-year-when-we-have-a-housing-shortage sentiment. As I've often said in these last years: immigrants need to live in houses too and it's quite unfair to them as well to provide a false hope of opening wide the doors only to discover there's nowhere to live. That is unless we are bringing in one million per year construction workers who will hound their city halls night and day to expand infrastructure to open zoning and cut the red tape to build, build, build. We are in a dire supply problem and all this mucking about with going after Air-BnB and loans to first time homebuyers does very little (except support the hotel industry in the first and in the second, increase demand on the limited supply thus raising house prices again.) | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On June 24 2024 23:47 ZeromuS wrote: And with the anti-immigrant sentiment growing, a POC as leader of the LPC, who is also a woman, in this climate, going up against PP who stokes a lot of anger... I don't think it would work out. If they have to run someone who will be tied to Trudeau as a negative, might as well Trudeau. He's charismatic and still has faith of the party faithful at large, and he has the most experience. what kind of climate do we have? | ||
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/this-changes-everything-conservatives-win-toronto-byelection-beating-liberals-in-major-upset-1.6939817 Although the vote count is close, I think this is a bit of a routing as according to the At Issue panel, the Conservatives hardly did any campaigning there (as far as the top brass is concerned.) That bodes ill for Teflon Trudeau's Liberals. In the last 10 elections, spanning 30 years, rounded to the nearest whole number percent: 1993 - Liberals +30% 1997 - Liberals +30% 2000 - Liberals +33% 2004 - Liberals +38% 2006 - Liberals +25% 2008 - Liberals +24% 2011 - Liberals +8% (An Election where the Liberals were reduced to THIRD party status) 2015 - Liberals +28% 2019 - Liberals +33% 2021 - Liberals +23% And tonight: 2024 - Conservatives +1.5% Also, voter turnout was 43%, which for a byelection is pretty darn good, I think. (And during the Stanley Cup finals) | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On June 26 2024 01:37 Falling wrote: Welp. I am happily eating my words. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/this-changes-everything-conservatives-win-toronto-byelection-beating-liberals-in-major-upset-1.6939817 Although the vote count is close, I think this is a bit of a routing as according to the At Issue panel, the Conservatives hardly did any campaigning there (as far as the top brass is concerned.) That bodes ill for Teflon Trudeau's Liberals. Also, voter turnout was 43%, which for a byelection is pretty darn good, I think. (And during the Stanley Cup finals) Uhhh ever been there? I would not exactly call the riding a hockey hotbed. Or any sports at all for that matter. The Maple Leafs baseball team plays near the riding and maybe 350 people attend. | ||
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Falling
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Yaqoob
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On June 26 2024 01:37 Falling wrote: Welp. I am happily eating my words. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/this-changes-everything-conservatives-win-toronto-byelection-beating-liberals-in-major-upset-1.6939817 Although the vote count is close, I think this is a bit of a routing as according to the At Issue panel, the Conservatives hardly did any campaigning there (as far as the top brass is concerned.) That bodes ill for Teflon Trudeau's Liberals. Also, voter turnout was 43%, which for a byelection is pretty darn good, I think. (And during the Stanley Cup finals) According to your posted article, the Conservatives didn't even think they would win the by-election. They were hoping to be 5 percentage points within the Liberal candidate. I'm shocked the Conservatives won a seat in Toronto. I cannot even think of a more Liberal-minded area in Canada except for Vancouver. It really is looking like a Conservative majority in the next election. I had actually thought that Trudeau was going to step down last year and that Chrystia Freeland was going to be the Prime Minster until the 2025 election but she is disliked almost as much as Trudeau. The Liberal party doesn't really seem to have many good options to change public perception before the next federal election. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
Canada used to have brilliant legal and financial minds leading it. Now we've got an engineering school drop out... My advice to any young, hard-working, talented, ambitious Canadians is this: get your skills up and find work in other countries. PP will not return Canada to its former glory. On June 26 2024 02:14 Falling wrote: I have not. Still. Byelections historically have a very low voter turnout so 43% is not bad. Fair enough. For the record there is 1 hockey rink in the riding and 0 MTHL teams. Thus, I'd have to conclude the hockey game had negligible impact. Christie Pits is awesome though... And KoreaTown is super cool. | ||
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
edit Haha. I meant to say, I haven't been no farther out of the west than Alberta. Got that completely backwards... | ||
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