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On January 10 2015 02:00 Grettin wrote:if you have a stream showing the footage or footage somewhere, please link it. Thanks
try it http://www.france2.fr/direct maybe they will rebroadcast it again
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On January 10 2015 02:00 VelJa wrote: Shit. Apparently 4 hostage dead @vincennes source TF1 The hostages were killed when the guy went in the shop not during the assault
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On January 10 2015 01:58 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 01:56 Warfie wrote: Hmm I see. So it wouldn't be possible to knock them out quickly enough? Btw I'm not saying the police did a poor job, just trying to understand why such a response isn't feasible My guess is that tranquilizers are not reliable enough. They could take long time before they have any effect or they could have no effect at all. They totally are not. This is not video games. You shoot to kill and anything less could get people killed.
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For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape?
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did the hostage die before or while the assault ?
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On January 10 2015 02:01 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 02:00 Grettin wrote:if you have a stream showing the footage or footage somewhere, please link it. Thanks try it http://www.france2.fr/direct maybe they will rebroadcast it again
Thanks, they just reboradcasted it.
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On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote: For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape? No. Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers knew themselves, but only the brothers did the Charlie Hebdo massacre. Separately, Coulibaly killed a police officer the same day.
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On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote: For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape?
Nope, apparently he was the guy who shot to death a policewoman yesterday in Paris. Not official tho.
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On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote: For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape? No info about this. Tbh dont know why they said there were 3 people on Chalie's attack.
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On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote: For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape? No. It was another shooter who killed a cop yesterday morning in Montrouge. But they were related.
On January 10 2015 02:05 Nitro68 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote: For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape? No info about this. Tbh dont know why they said there were 3 people on Chalie's attack.
Because one witness said he saw someone else
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On January 10 2015 02:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 01:58 BlitzerSC wrote:On January 10 2015 01:56 Warfie wrote: Hmm I see. So it wouldn't be possible to knock them out quickly enough? Btw I'm not saying the police did a poor job, just trying to understand why such a response isn't feasible My guess is that tranquilizers are not reliable enough. They could take long time before they have any effect or they could have no effect at all. They totally are not. This is not video games. You shoot to kill and anything less could get people killed. I understand then. I really don't know anything about tranquilizers and their effect so this clarifies
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On January 10 2015 02:03 Makro wrote: did the hostage die before or while the assault ? can't find any reports of the hostages dying during the assault, but BBC and Reuters say "during the siege", which seems to imply that it was after forces arrive
There seems to be conflicting information here though?
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On January 10 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote: For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape? No. Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers knew themselves, but only the brothers did the Charlie Hebdo massacre. Separately, Coulibaly killed a police officer the same day.
Ok that's very helpful for my understanding. So Coulibaly exposed himself after the event, I read somewhere earlier that he took the hostages to cover for the brothers - is that accurate?
Edit - Sky News confirmed the second part for me. Got it.
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On January 10 2015 02:03 Makro wrote: did the hostage die before or while the assault ? Before the siege even started
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On January 10 2015 02:06 Warfie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 02:02 Plansix wrote:On January 10 2015 01:58 BlitzerSC wrote:On January 10 2015 01:56 Warfie wrote: Hmm I see. So it wouldn't be possible to knock them out quickly enough? Btw I'm not saying the police did a poor job, just trying to understand why such a response isn't feasible My guess is that tranquilizers are not reliable enough. They could take long time before they have any effect or they could have no effect at all. They totally are not. This is not video games. You shoot to kill and anything less could get people killed. I understand then. I really don't know anything about tranquilizers and their effect so this clarifies Anything you see in video games about taking someone out non-lethally is BS. Same with movies. Knocking someone out instantly is not something that can be done reliably. Hence guns.
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oh apparently the GIGN's first assault was not successful and then the two brothers stormed out and then were shot...
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On January 10 2015 02:06 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote: For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape? No. Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers knew themselves, but only the brothers did the Charlie Hebdo massacre. Separately, Coulibaly killed a police officer the same day. Ok that's very helpful for my understanding. So Coulibaly exposed himself after the event, I read somewhere earlier that he took the hostages to cover for the brothers - is that accurate? Considering they knew each other and may (not confirmed) have been in contact via phone or something else, it is possible that Coulibaly tried to divert the forces chasing the brothers by taking hostages. It's not confirmed though, and since they're all dead we'll never know.
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