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On January 07 2015 23:55 Ota Solgryn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:45 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:42 VelJa wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. "by a specific kind of people who had a particular vision of her religion" If u are not in any religion, than there is no possible ways or reasons for u to do any kind of bloody revenge cause of funny cartoons. Lets set a scenario: You lost both your parents or your whole family or your kid in a tragic but somehow public event. It happened in some way that it made a public debate and/or in the press. Now, every once in a while a couple of cartoonist or magazine makes a satirical drawing about this, drawings of this event in a provocative way, relevant or not, the event that devestated you, that ruined you. Put into the equation that you maybe have a history of slight mental instability. Another scenario: All school shootings in USA are not religous in any way, still its about revenge or getting back at somebody for words or another way of non-bullying. These event have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with some crazy individuals that use religion as an EXCUSE.
that's not true they were brainwashed with religion and ended up doing these things because of the said religion brain washing
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It sickens me to read of an attack like this.
I hope the French police forces apprehend them before more innocent people gets hurt
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Front National leader Marine Le Pen has announced that she will release a statement at 4.30pm French time
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On January 07 2015 23:54 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:53 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. You have to be really simple minded to not understand the fundamental differences in these two incidents. OMFG u r so disgusting.
Don't feed the troll.
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On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred.
I'm sorry but it is religion. Sure... not all religious people are following as bad stupid and horrible ideas as these terrorists, but they're all false and for the same reason (lack of evidence).
I dont really want to offend anyone... but the point is if you really believe what ISIS etc believe, then these artists deserved to die. So the only way to argue logically against these actions is to argue with their assumptions (the doctrine itself). Then the same arguments apply to all religions.
Ok you can argue theologically about interpretations and whatnot (thou shalt not kill) but its totally fucking arbitrary and open to interpretation. If you want to go down that route its literally your word against theirs.
Most of the recent attacks (in Canada, Australia) could feasibly have been political or just crazy people (not my opinion but its feasible). But are you seriously trying to deny that this one is religiously motivated?
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On January 07 2015 23:48 KeksX wrote:Why is it insane?
well it's for one part insane and admirable in a good way, and for the other part it's borderline crazy to sacrifice so much for principle.
I mean, simple question - would you go so far as to defend (your) principles, not tone it down only a bit?
how many of the countless spineless people in politics/media/business/whatever would to that?
I am not so sure about myself.
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On January 07 2015 23:56 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +Front National leader Marine Le Pen has announced that she will release a statement at 4.30pm French time
I hope it's going to be a decent statement and not a bullshit one.
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On January 07 2015 23:56 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:55 Ota Solgryn wrote:On January 07 2015 23:45 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:42 VelJa wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. "by a specific kind of people who had a particular vision of her religion" If u are not in any religion, than there is no possible ways or reasons for u to do any kind of bloody revenge cause of funny cartoons. Lets set a scenario: You lost both your parents or your whole family or your kid in a tragic but somehow public event. It happened in some way that it made a public debate and/or in the press. Now, every once in a while a couple of cartoonist or magazine makes a satirical drawing about this, drawings of this event in a provocative way, relevant or not, the event that devestated you, that ruined you. Put into the equation that you maybe have a history of slight mental instability. Another scenario: All school shootings in USA are not religous in any way, still its about revenge or getting back at somebody for words or another way of non-bullying. These event have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with some crazy individuals that use religion as an EXCUSE. that's not true they were brainwashed with religion and ended up doing these things because of the said religion brain washing
Boonbag, we can probably do better than that.
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On January 07 2015 23:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:56 Boonbag wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 Ota Solgryn wrote:On January 07 2015 23:45 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:42 VelJa wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. "by a specific kind of people who had a particular vision of her religion" If u are not in any religion, than there is no possible ways or reasons for u to do any kind of bloody revenge cause of funny cartoons. Lets set a scenario: You lost both your parents or your whole family or your kid in a tragic but somehow public event. It happened in some way that it made a public debate and/or in the press. Now, every once in a while a couple of cartoonist or magazine makes a satirical drawing about this, drawings of this event in a provocative way, relevant or not, the event that devestated you, that ruined you. Put into the equation that you maybe have a history of slight mental instability. Another scenario: All school shootings in USA are not religous in any way, still its about revenge or getting back at somebody for words or another way of non-bullying. These event have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with some crazy individuals that use religion as an EXCUSE. that's not true they were brainwashed with religion and ended up doing these things because of the said religion brain washing Boonbag, we can probably do better than that.
do better than what ?
what's the fucking point?
are geophysicists, mathematicians, killing in the name of science ? tell me
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On January 07 2015 23:55 Ota Solgryn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:45 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:42 VelJa wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. "by a specific kind of people who had a particular vision of her religion" If u are not in any religion, than there is no possible ways or reasons for u to do any kind of bloody revenge cause of funny cartoons. Lets set a scenario: You lost both your parents or your whole family or your kid in a tragic but somehow public event. It happened in some way that it made a public debate and/or in the press. Now, every once in a while a couple of cartoonist or magazine makes a satirical drawing about this, drawings of this event in a provocative way, relevant or not, the event that devestated you, that ruined you. Put into the equation that you maybe have a history of slight mental instability. Another scenario: All school shootings in USA are not religous in any way, still its about revenge or getting back at somebody for words or another way of non-bullying. These event have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with some crazy individuals that use religion as an EXCUSE.
nobody's saying all shootings are caused by religion. but how can you deny that this one wasn't influenced by religious ideology?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I will be extremely harsh on any personal attacks or obvious misinformation from this post onward. Religion threads don't usually work for a reason, and unless people can stay civil it will result in bans.
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On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter.
I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Brevik was a sick man who did some shit that was not justified by the bible as far as I'm aware.
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On January 07 2015 23:29 Nesserev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:18 frontliner2 wrote:
I'm in a facebook group called 'The purest worship' (its dutch).
What a splendid display of Allah u akbar. They ALL support this attack, it is true Islam they say.
Insult Allah or Prophet = Death. The policeman deserved it too, he in fact protects the Kuffar.
In fact they are saying behead all kuffar...
This group has 7000 dutch followers. Fucking insane.
We need to eradicate ISIS sympathizers and deal with the moderates. Yeah, seeing people on facebook who support these actions... disgusting.
Saw a lot too. With things like : "They responded to hate by hate". Seeing people justify 12 kill for drawings. My god......
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On January 07 2015 23:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:47 Boonbag wrote:On January 07 2015 23:45 Doublemint wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? is it political correctness to differentiate between islam and fundamentalist islamists...? ppl killing because of religion since 2000 years... so lets stop with all the fundamentalist non fundamentalist crap every religion process is fundamental you read crazy shit you end up doing crazy shit that's about it mein kampf was a nation wide best seller So u agree that religion is the greatest tool of controlling ppls brains? No religions = no fundamentals wars, at all, never.
Nazism and Communism were completely secular, but were also used to controling people's minds and to incite wars and atrocities. People taking ideology to the extreme always leads suppression and violence.
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On January 07 2015 23:56 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:48 KeksX wrote:On January 07 2015 23:44 Doublemint wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpqcS-faUE god this insane stance on principle and integrity makes me even more sad  Why is it insane? well it's for one part insane and admirable in a good way, and for the other part it's borderline crazy to sacrifice so much for principle. I mean, simple question - would you go so far as to defend (your) principles, not tone it down only a bit? how many of the countless spineless people in politics/media/business/whatever would to that? I am not so sure about myself.
I know I'd rather die than to give up everything people have fought for since the enlightment.
Also why are people are becoming so defensive when people say this is about Religion? It clearly wasn't a case of typical workplace violence.... What was it about then?
I don't think anyone here is implying all Religion always promotes violence, but you cannot deny that there are people using Religion as a tool to make people do that. In the same way other people use money and other things.
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On January 07 2015 23:53 VelJa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:47 Boonbag wrote:On January 07 2015 23:45 Doublemint wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? is it political correctness to differentiate between islam and fundamentalist islamists...? ppl killing because of religion since 2000 years... so lets stop with all the fundamentalist non fundamentalist crap every religion process is fundamental you read crazy shit you end up doing crazy shit that's about it mein kampf was a nation wide best seller So u agree that religion is the greatest tool of controlling ppls brains? No religions = no fundamentals wars, at all, never. The fact is I can understand many Years ago, when we don't understand some problems or some major problems (climatic...disease, sickness...), some guy create a "religion" that can made you believe in something. But now, we understand absolutely all. Haw people can be still religious ? This is not the topic but I think it worth one.
How so? Okay, let's imagine u was born in radical muslim family somewhere, u know how to shoot from ur AK since 10 y/r meanwhile u don't know how to read/write, ur idea is the holy war against non-islamic ppl.
It's just an example and i'm not bashing personally anyone.
Even though I'm thinking that any kind of religion prevents us from fundamental unity, I also know that islam used to be less bloody than chistians while ago, both religions evolved directly opposite ways. Buddhist, paggans had their own visions of life.
How many crusades were executed?
While this trash, which name is RELIGION sitting in ppl hads, we are in shit. No matter what kind of religion it is.
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On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion.
Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion.
Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil.
Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want.
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On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION.
the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done.
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I would rather have information on the chase of those bastard than endless and pointless religious debate.
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