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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On January 08 2015 00:00 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:56 Doublemint wrote:On January 07 2015 23:48 KeksX wrote:On January 07 2015 23:44 Doublemint wrote:+ Show Spoiler +god this insane stance on principle and integrity makes me even more sad  Why is it insane? well it's for one part insane and admirable in a good way, and for the other part it's borderline crazy to sacrifice so much for principle. I mean, simple question - would you go so far as to defend (your) principles, not tone it down only a bit? how many of the countless spineless people in politics/media/business/whatever would to that? I am not so sure about myself. I know I'd rather die than to give up everything people have fought for since the enlightment. Also why are people are becoming so defensive when people say this is about Religion? It clearly wasn't a case of typical workplace violence.... What was it about then?
Because people seem to think acknowledging this attack had islamist motivation = blaming islam as a whole.
It's this lack of appetite to have a real conversation about the threat of radical islam and how to tackle it that is causing people to turn to the far right groups. And that's what the islamists want, they want to show that the world is against Islam, and therefore justify the extermination of kuffar as essential for the survival of muslims
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On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion. Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil. Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want.
QFT
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On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion. Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil. Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want.
you just showed how much of a non sense the three books are and reading non sense usually leads to stupid stuff
im pretty sure if religious ppl were to spend as much time reading bertrand russel than their autistic outdated barbaric holy writings, shit would be much better aruond the world
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On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done.
Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades?
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On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion. Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil. Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want.
And you decided to base your caricature of me on what? I mean now you're agreeing with me, then turning around to go on about some shit I didn't even talk about.
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FFS we don't even know for sure who these people were or why they did anything. We don't benefit in any way by leaping to the self confirmed conclusion this was obviously "Muslim Terrorists" angry about the cartoons.
I think it's fine to believe that's what it was but it's way to early to assert it as fact.
While it may be unlikely, for all we know this could be one of the hate groups looking to incite a race/religion war
This could be a group that realized how easy it was to tie an event to "Muslim Terrorists" and decided "what better way to get what we want than to frame Muslims for a terror attack?"
Perhaps some of the French people could contribute how likely, if they recovered the weapons, they would be to be able to trace where the weapons came from?
I guess the Boston bombing is the closest thing I as an American can imagine is going on with this man-hunt.
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On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades?
Who the fuck cares for something happened 500 years ago? What matters is what happens now in this moment.
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Thing i don't get is i read everywhere that it was a really planned action but i see a lot too of the guys asking where the fuck was the redaction. They planned something but didn't know where to go ? It doesn't make sense.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
I won't lie, this is where the mantra of "don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things" is rather relevant. I wouldn't feel safe at one of those places
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On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion. Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil. Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want.
Sated said he hates Religion, Biff said this is not about religion and heliusx pointed out it still is.
You both are agreeing, you are implying things into heliusx's posts he never said.
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On January 08 2015 00:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Thing i don't get is i read everywhere that it was a really planned action but i see a lot too of the guys asking where the fuck was the redaction.
What is a redaction?
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On January 08 2015 00:00 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:56 Doublemint wrote:On January 07 2015 23:48 KeksX wrote:On January 07 2015 23:44 Doublemint wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpqcS-faUE god this insane stance on principle and integrity makes me even more sad Why is it insane? well it's for one part insane and admirable in a good way, and for the other part it's borderline crazy to sacrifice so much for principle. I mean, simple question - would you go so far as to defend (your) principles, not tone it down only a bit? how many of the countless spineless people in politics/media/business/whatever would to that? I am not so sure about myself. I know I'd rather die than to give up everything people have fought for since the enlightment. Also why are people are becoming so defensive when people say this is about Religion? It clearly wasn't a case of typical workplace violence.... What was it about then?
It's a counter mechanism. People see other people blaming religion, they have a problem with that, and so they react with a complete denial of any religious involvement.
There is a difference between acting in the name of religion and religion being guilty. There is also a difference between acting in the name of religion and acting with no religious motive whatsoever.
The only trouble is, you can't draw ideological conclusions from that, so you need to draw it to your side.
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On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done.
Excuse me, we are talking about past or present? Soviet china, USSR, nazi germany has fallen. North Korea is a threat? Btw, the main ideology of USSR was a hardworking.
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disgusting, i just hope that the responsibles of this end up in a jail for the rest of their life
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades?
That does not change what he said. You're rather off base if you think the combined death tolls of China, Soviet, North Korea and Nazi Germany fall below the crusades.
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On January 08 2015 00:06 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Thing i don't get is i read everywhere that it was a really planned action but i see a lot too of the guys asking where the fuck was the redaction. What is a redaction?
newsroom office
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On January 08 2015 00:04 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion. Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil. Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want. you just showed how much of a non sense the three books are and reading non sense usually leads to stupid stuff
Yeah if you believe that the book are a recipe that has to be followed step by step without thinking you are mistaking as badly as those guys.
I don't know a single Christian that believes everything that is written in the book. You would have to be quite stupid to do so, because it is obvious that most of the damn book is parables, and that it is contradictory. And I betcha that 99% of Muslims are smart enough to get that too.
But if you want to be as literal as those guys, well, fine. I'm sure you are more educated than them, so maybe just maybe, we can do better, which was what I was suggesting earlier.
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To kill people for some drawings is disgusting. They were exercising their right to free speech and expression and regardless of whether you disagree with how appropriate it is, killing them and a police officer is absolutely not right no matter which religion you subscribe to. My condolences to everyone except to those gunmen who deserve only the harshest punishment possible in French law.
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On January 08 2015 00:07 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades? That does not change what he said. You're rather off base if you think the combined death tolls of China, Soviet, North Korea and Nazi Germany fall below the crusades.
to me they're just all hysterical gatherings of ill minded megalomaniac beeings
religion is the matrix of modern totalitarism
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Les Parisiens RDV place de la république à 18H00 en soutient à Charlie Hebdo . Si le cœur m'en dit après toutes ces émotions, j'irai probablement boire à la mémoire de ces hommes de courage et de valeurs au Meltdown bastille.
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