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On January 08 2015 00:05 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades? Who the fuck cares for something happened 500 years ago? What matters is what happens now in this moment.
Oh, then let's ignore something relevant to the discussion because it doesn't help you.
Shall we ignore Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany as well? Who cares about something that happened over 20 years ago?
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On January 08 2015 00:05 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion. Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil. Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want. And you decided to base your caricature of me on what? I mean now you're agreeing with me, then turning around to go on about some shit I didn't even talk about.
If you are saying that those attack are religiously motivated but don't say anything about Islam per say, because it's a damn crazy interpretation of Islam that led to them, well, we perfectly agree and that's fine. I was just making sure we did.
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On January 08 2015 00:08 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:07 Zealously wrote:On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades? That does not change what he said. You're rather off base if you think the combined death tolls of China, Soviet, North Korea and Nazi Germany fall below the crusades. to me they're just all hysterical gatherings of ill minded megalomaniac beeings religion is the matrix of modern totalitarism
Replace Religion with money and you've got the reason for many other killings. Replace Religion with oil and you've got another bunch. Replace Religion with anything and you've got killings.
People kill other people. Because of Religion, money, and power. Religion is simply not the only reason people kill other people - although it is still one of the bigger ones.
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France10201 Posts
On January 08 2015 00:06 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Thing i don't get is i read everywhere that it was a really planned action but i see a lot too of the guys asking where the fuck was the redaction. What is a redaction?
Oh sorry i thought that word worked in english. It's where the newspapaper is written. It's basicly an other word to say : "the holding of the magazine"
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On January 08 2015 00:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:04 Boonbag wrote:On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 07 2015 23:58 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. I'm really beginning to be confused how you guys don't get what I'm saying. If some american kids went to school and murdered some other kids because they drew pictures of jesus, then yeah I would also consider that a religiously motivated attack because, well, they killed in the name of religion. Of course it's a religiously motivated attack. They killed in name of a religion. Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil. Thing with religions is that you can make them say whatever you want. In the Quran, it is written that killing another human being is an unforgivable crime and a hundred pages later that you should kill non muslim people. You take from it whatever the fuck you want. you just showed how much of a non sense the three books are and reading non sense usually leads to stupid stuff Yeah if you believe that the book are a recipe that has to be followed step by step without thinking you are mistaking as badly as those guys. I don't know a single Christian that believes everything that is written in the book. You would have to be quite stupid to do so, because it is obvious that most of the damn book is parables, and that it is contradictory. And I betcha that 99% of Muslims are smart enough to get that too. But if you want to be as literal as those guys, well, fine. I'm sure you are more educated than them, so maybe just maybe, we can do better, which was what I was suggesting earlier.
im not saying you have to be literal lol
im just saying what is written in there is quite stupid
if you fail to see the difference between plato and the bible i can't really help you
and a nice chunk of americans are taking bible words as literal as they come
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On January 07 2015 23:55 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. im sorry the cause always matters wtf r u on
Water and bread. What are you taking when you think that religion is the cause of the attack and not fanaticism or hatred or lack of education or any of the other actual causes that led these men to kill those who ironically enough will become the "martyrs of free speech" from now on.
This is a tragedy in more than one sense and if you think that islam is to blame and not the killers then I'm afraid to share a country with you
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On January 08 2015 00:10 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:06 heliusx wrote:On January 08 2015 00:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Thing i don't get is i read everywhere that it was a really planned action but i see a lot too of the guys asking where the fuck was the redaction. What is a redaction? Oh sorry i thought that word worked in english. It's where the newspapaper is written. It's basicly an other word to say : "the holding of the magazine"
Editorial department AFAIK. Redaktion in German as well.
On January 08 2015 00:10 Verrou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. im sorry the cause always matters wtf r u on Water and bread. What are you taking when you think that religion is the cause of the attack and not fanaticism or hatred or lack of education or any of the other actual causes that led these men to kill those who ironically enough will become the "martyrs of free speech" from now on. This is a tragedy in more than one sense and if you think that islam is to blame and not the killers then I'm afraid to share a country with you
All of the things you mentioned that could be other causes are part of the way religion is being used in many different countries.
Religion is much, much more than just the believe in a deity, or multiple.
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Northern Ireland22203 Posts
On January 08 2015 00:10 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:06 heliusx wrote:On January 08 2015 00:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Thing i don't get is i read everywhere that it was a really planned action but i see a lot too of the guys asking where the fuck was the redaction. What is a redaction? Oh sorry i thought that word worked in english. It's where the newspapaper is written. It's basicly an other word to say : "the holding of the magazine"
I also don't understand why many of the experts on the news are saying these attackers were highly trained
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On January 08 2015 00:10 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:08 Boonbag wrote:On January 08 2015 00:07 Zealously wrote:On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades? That does not change what he said. You're rather off base if you think the combined death tolls of China, Soviet, North Korea and Nazi Germany fall below the crusades. to me they're just all hysterical gatherings of ill minded megalomaniac beeings religion is the matrix of modern totalitarism Replace Religion with money and you've got the reason for many other killings. Replace Religion with oil and you've got another bunch. Replace Religion with anything and you've got killings. People kill other people. Because of Religion, money, and power. Religion is simply not the only reason people kill other people - although it is still one of the bigger ones.
now that doesnt make any sense anymore
ideologies aren't material
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On January 08 2015 00:09 klup wrote:
Les Parisiens RDV place de la république à 18H00 en soutient à Charlie Hebdo . Si le cœur m'en dit après toutes ces émotions, j'irai probablement boire à la mémoire de ces hommes de courage et de valeurs au Meltdown bastille.
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On January 08 2015 00:09 AXygnus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:05 mdb wrote:On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades? Who the fuck cares for something happened 500 years ago? What matters is what happens now in this moment. Oh, then let's ignore something relevant to the discussion because it doesn't help you. Shall we ignore Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany as well? Who cares about something that happened over 20 years ago?
What happened today caused by ussr or nazi germany? I'm not good at history
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On January 08 2015 00:11 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:10 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 08 2015 00:06 heliusx wrote:On January 08 2015 00:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Thing i don't get is i read everywhere that it was a really planned action but i see a lot too of the guys asking where the fuck was the redaction. What is a redaction? Oh sorry i thought that word worked in english. It's where the newspapaper is written. It's basicly an other word to say : "the holding of the magazine" I also don't understand why many of the experts on the news are saying these attackers were highly trained
Well, you don't buy wars weapons easily, you don't kill with cold blood people, on some videos you can see that they aren't afraid/shaking.
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On January 08 2015 00:11 Boonbag wrote:
now that doesnt make any sense anymore
ideologies aren't material
But they are as important, if not even more so.
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On January 08 2015 00:10 Verrou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. im sorry the cause always matters wtf r u on Water and bread. What are you taking when you think that religion is the cause of the attack and not fanaticism or hatred or lack of education or any of the other actual causes that led these men to kill those who ironically enough will become the "martyrs of free speech" from now on. This is a tragedy in more than one sense and if you think that islam is to blame and not the killers then I'm afraid to share a country with you
ofc im blaming religion
why wouldn't you blame it ?
they shot gay right activits with a fucken bazooka yelling god is above all
and you dont want me to shit on religion ?
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Usually when these types of things happen, I get angry, because of the useless deaths... But this time around I'm angry, sad and also worried. Not for my personal security, I know better than that, but for the security of others. And at this point I don't see an effective way to tackle extremism, and I think it's sad that freedom of expression may be in effect compromised because people are scared of a minority of violent motherfuckers.
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On January 08 2015 00:13 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:10 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 07 2015 23:54 Verrou wrote:On January 07 2015 23:43 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do. You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred. They killed these people because they do cartoons of the muslim religion. How blind are you willing to be in the name of political correctness? And how blind are you not to see that two armed men do not represent the other millions of people who live normal lives? Are you saying that since some american shootings happened to have christian perpetrators christianity is bad as a whole? Or atheism, for what I care? These people are murderers and their religion doesn't matter. im sorry the cause always matters wtf r u on Water and bread. What are you taking when you think that religion is the cause of the attack and not fanaticism or hatred or lack of education or any of the other actual causes that led these men to kill those who ironically enough will become the "martyrs of free speech" from now on. This is a tragedy in more than one sense and if you think that islam is to blame and not the killers then I'm afraid to share a country with you ofc im blaming religion why wouldn't you blame it ? they shot gay right activits with a fucken bazooka yelling god is above all and you dont want me to shit on religion ?
I would rather you shit on the people shooting.
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On January 08 2015 00:11 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 00:10 KeksX wrote:On January 08 2015 00:08 Boonbag wrote:On January 08 2015 00:07 Zealously wrote:On January 08 2015 00:04 AXygnus wrote:On January 08 2015 00:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 07 2015 23:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2015 23:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:
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You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket.
This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred.
It wasnt a mistake, those bloody action forced by a specific religion. Breivik. Once a decade? Century? It was an exception. And how many things we had due to religion terrorists in last 10 years? And do u remember, who was attacked by him? Don't u see the real reason was mainly cultural differences, which mainly comes from RELIGION. the death tolls of unreligious regimes like china, soviet russia, nazi germany or north korea are by far much much higher than anything religion has done. Ever heard of anything called the Cruzades? That does not change what he said. You're rather off base if you think the combined death tolls of China, Soviet, North Korea and Nazi Germany fall below the crusades. to me they're just all hysterical gatherings of ill minded megalomaniac beeings religion is the matrix of modern totalitarism Replace Religion with money and you've got the reason for many other killings. Replace Religion with oil and you've got another bunch. Replace Religion with anything and you've got killings. People kill other people. Because of Religion, money, and power. Religion is simply not the only reason people kill other people - although it is still one of the bigger ones. now that doesnt make any sense anymore ideologies aren't material
It doesn't matter what they are, only that people kill as much over it as over anything else.
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On January 08 2015 00:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Does it make that religion evil? No. If I am a sectarian monster and go make a carnage in the name of vegetarianism, it won't make vegetarianism evil or vegetarians evil. It will make my personal take on vegetarianism evil.
If a average vegetarian was far more likely to kill another person in order to promote their feeding habits, than, say a average omnivore - it would imply there is something seriously wrong with vegetarianism.
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