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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 09 2015 17:08 GMT
#1721
On January 10 2015 02:06 Warfie wrote:
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On January 10 2015 02:02 Plansix wrote:
On January 10 2015 01:58 BlitzerSC wrote:
On January 10 2015 01:56 Warfie wrote:
Hmm I see. So it wouldn't be possible to knock them out quickly enough? Btw I'm not saying the police did a poor job, just trying to understand why such a response isn't feasible


My guess is that tranquilizers are not reliable enough. They could take long time before they have any effect or they could have no effect at all.

They totally are not. This is not video games. You shoot to kill and anything less could get people killed.

I understand then. I really don't know anything about tranquilizers and their effect so this clarifies

Interesting snippet from the tranquilizer gun wiki:

"Tranquillizer darts are not generally included in military or police less-than-lethal arsenals because no drug is yet known that would be quickly and reliably effective on humans without the risks of side effects or an overdose. This means that effective use requires an estimate of the weight of the target to be able to determine how many darts (if any) can be used. Shooting too few would result in no effect whatsoever, while too many can kill the target "

So seems too technical and slow to use when your opponent has a gun
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
January 09 2015 17:09 GMT
#1722
I doubt tranquiliser darts would be much use against ballistic vests
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 09 2015 17:09 GMT
#1723
apparently the GIGN wounded guy is not severely wounded
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
January 09 2015 17:10 GMT
#1724
Damn 4 dead .... but it seems like they were all dead before the assault :/
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 09 2015 17:12 GMT
#1725
For those who asked for the footage of the assault :
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3823 Posts
January 09 2015 17:14 GMT
#1726
On January 10 2015 02:08 OtherWorld wrote:
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On January 10 2015 02:06 JinDesu wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote:
For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape?

No. Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers knew themselves, but only the brothers did the Charlie Hebdo massacre. Separately, Coulibaly killed a police officer the same day.


Ok that's very helpful for my understanding. So Coulibaly exposed himself after the event, I read somewhere earlier that he took the hostages to cover for the brothers - is that accurate?

Considering they knew each other and may (not confirmed) have been in contact via phone or something else, it is possible that Coulibaly tried to divert the forces chasing the brothers by taking hostages. It's not confirmed though, and since they're all dead we'll never know.

If they were in active contact, presumably it was by telephone, and authorities will be able to confirm this relatively easily by accessing the phones which, again presumably, will still be on the dead scum's bodies or amongst their other possessions.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 17:16:07
January 09 2015 17:14 GMT
#1727
According to LeMonde, an unrelated hostage situation is going on in Montpellier.
On January 10 2015 02:14 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 02:08 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:06 JinDesu wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:02 JinDesu wrote:
For my understanding, Coulibaly was the third gunman at Charlie Hedbo, correct? They split up during the escape?

No. Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers knew themselves, but only the brothers did the Charlie Hebdo massacre. Separately, Coulibaly killed a police officer the same day.


Ok that's very helpful for my understanding. So Coulibaly exposed himself after the event, I read somewhere earlier that he took the hostages to cover for the brothers - is that accurate?

Considering they knew each other and may (not confirmed) have been in contact via phone or something else, it is possible that Coulibaly tried to divert the forces chasing the brothers by taking hostages. It's not confirmed though, and since they're all dead we'll never know.

If they were in active contact, presumably it was by telephone, and authorities will be able to confirm this relatively easily by accessing the phones which, again presumably, will still be on the dead scum's bodies or amongst their other possessions.

I was talking about the reason why did Coulibaly took hostages
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
January 09 2015 17:14 GMT
#1728
3 dead, killed by Coulibaly (the terrorist) before the assault, probably when he entered
1 dead who according to BFMTV was maybe with Coulibaly
+1 dead who is Coulibaly

the hostage by the 2 brothers was actually hidden in the building, and the 2 brothers didnt know he was there. The guy was talking with the gign
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
January 09 2015 17:14 GMT
#1729
On January 10 2015 02:12 OtherWorld wrote:
For those who asked for the footage of the assault :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er7rPjh-Ugs


I think France 2 showed a different footage, which was bit better. Thanks though.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
January 09 2015 17:15 GMT
#1730
On January 10 2015 02:14 Yhamm wrote:


the hostage by the 2 brothers was actually hidden in the building, and the 2 brothers didnt know he was there. The guy was talking with the gign

Wow
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
January 09 2015 17:16 GMT
#1731
On January 10 2015 02:14 OtherWorld wrote:
According to LeMonde, an unrelated hostage situation is going on in Montpellier.

are you fucking kidding me

was just talking with someone about concerns of copycat situations
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1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 17:17:39
January 09 2015 17:16 GMT
#1732
On January 10 2015 02:14 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 02:12 OtherWorld wrote:
For those who asked for the footage of the assault :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er7rPjh-Ugs


I think France 2 showed a different footage, which was bit better. Thanks though.


This footage looks edited. Check minute 01:11
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 09 2015 17:16 GMT
#1733
So the reports of 2 deaths this morning seem to be untrue, but 4 hostages died in the assault. Fuck...
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 09 2015 17:16 GMT
#1734
On January 10 2015 02:14 Yhamm wrote:
3 dead, killed by Coulibaly (the terrorist) before the assault, probably when he entered
1 dead who according to BFMTV was maybe with Coulibaly
+1 dead who is Coulibaly

the hostage by the 2 brothers was actually hidden in the building, and the 2 brothers didnt know he was there. The guy was talking with the gign

holy fucking shit

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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
January 09 2015 17:16 GMT
#1735
On January 10 2015 02:16 1oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 02:14 Grettin wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:12 OtherWorld wrote:
For those who asked for the footage of the assault :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er7rPjh-Ugs


I think France 2 showed a different footage, which was bit better. Thanks though.


This footage looks edited


That too.
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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
January 09 2015 17:18 GMT
#1736
On January 10 2015 02:16 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 02:14 Yhamm wrote:
3 dead, killed by Coulibaly (the terrorist) before the assault, probably when he entered
1 dead who according to BFMTV was maybe with Coulibaly
+1 dead who is Coulibaly

the hostage by the 2 brothers was actually hidden in the building, and the 2 brothers didnt know he was there. The guy was talking with the gign

holy fucking shit

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They say he was hiding in a box ? makes me think of metal gear :D
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 09 2015 17:18 GMT
#1737
So thankfully the bloody side of it is over now. The political recuperation is only beginning though.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
January 09 2015 17:18 GMT
#1738
On January 10 2015 01:56 farvacola wrote:
So, for a small change of pace, much of my social media is full of radicals and other folks fighting over exactly what kind of publication Charlie Hebdo is, with some arguing that its hypocritical and a front for conservatism and others saying that they are just really big fans of extremely biting satire. I was wondering if TL's French posters could give us their opinion on the magazine? I'm trying to get a sense for what it is the paper does, and I don't trust pretty much anyone who isn't "around" the magazine regularly.

Sometimes they had a couple of funny drawings but overall it was kinda shitty. Most of their good/funny journalists and cartoonists died or retired a long time ago. Cabu was the only truly talented guy left.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
January 09 2015 17:19 GMT
#1739
On January 10 2015 02:18 OtherWorld wrote:
So thankfully the bloody side of it is over now. The political recuperation is only beginning though.

We just need to avoid some politician.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 09 2015 17:19 GMT
#1740
On January 10 2015 02:16 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 02:16 1oo wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:14 Grettin wrote:
On January 10 2015 02:12 OtherWorld wrote:
For those who asked for the footage of the assault :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er7rPjh-Ugs


I think France 2 showed a different footage, which was bit better. Thanks though.


This footage looks edited


That too.

Well it's a footage provided by LeMonde, I don't know anything else about it
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