On January 10 2015 01:56 farvacola wrote: So, for a small change of pace, much of my social media is full of radicals and other folks fighting over exactly what kind of publication Charlie Hebdo is, with some arguing that its hypocritical and a front for conservatism and others saying that they are just really big fans of extremely biting satire. I was wondering if TL's French posters could give us their opinion on the magazine? I'm trying to get a sense for what it is the paper does, and I don't trust pretty much anyone who isn't "around" the magazine regularly.
The paper takes everything and anything and tries to criticize it. Political lies, religious double standards, social issues. Everyone is criticized. There is always a shred of truth, but to be honest, I really dislike the publication. The government raises the idea of cutting costs of the education? You have a picture of him buttfucking a teacher (who says something sordid). The pope says literally anything? You have a priest getting a blow job from a kid and saying something vaguely related to the topic in question.
I understand the need for "counter-power", but truth to be told, most of the time, things are pretty OK in France, and we don't need such vulgar descriptions. By using systematically the most crude images for trivial topics (teachers are not going to get a raise this year? That's literally Francois Hollande buttfucking all of them) it reduces the effectiveness of the method when real serious topics come by. (Like, a terrorist attack for example?)
I prefer a more moderate (and constructive) critic when the problem is only moderate. Charlie is always in the extreme (and never constructive, apart from the fact that the topic gets discussed, but they don't offer any constructive criticism themselves).
Maybe but who is not moderate in France apart from Charlie nowadays ? In my vision it's the exact opposite : the political debate is way too moderate (being the media or the politicians). Because of political correctness, the political debate lost its deepness and half the population with it (explaining why we have the highest abstention in europe, and also te score of the national front). Because deep down people don't want just technical solutions to technical matters, they also want to know why and how they can live together, what bind them. Charlie's irreverence was, for sure, smutty, obsessed by sex, and oftentime insulting, but it's also the language of values and ethics, which is the reason why many liked them.
On January 10 2015 02:12 OtherWorld wrote: For those who asked for the footage of the assault :
I think France 2 showed a different footage, which was bit better. Thanks though.
This footage looks edited
That too.
Well it's a footage provided by LeMonde, I don't know anything else about it
But just from that, theres so much time to kill those hostages even before they got there.
I cant see how you can call this a successful operation ..
i think there is something you don't understand
if he kills the hostage, the terrorist have no more value and they are instant killed by the police without any problem(until you want to have them absolutely alive like merah)
if they keep them(the hostage), the police have to find a good plan to kill the terrorist before he tries to kill the hostage at the moment he gets caught, in what the gign/bri/raid succesfuly did
the hostage at the supermarket were killed before the assault, i don't know how you can't call it a non succesful operation
I think ur the one thats missing the point, he could have killed anyone he wanted with that much of a time. But he didnt. And could u source where u saw that all 4 hostages died before the operation?
i didn't deny once that he couldn't kill the hostage : but why didn't he do this then ? was he a philanthropist ?
police forces did their job : they killed him and rescued the hostage : succesful operation
Escaped or dead with the hostages? Male or Female? Come on. Figure this shit out already.
Let's wait for a confirmation from a reliable source. But I have a hard time figuring out how you could escape from a shop surrounded by police forces.
On January 10 2015 02:43 Nitro68 wrote: You can see a cop shooting from outsider while they are opzning the door. There is also explosion on the left right at the start.
The police is most likely shooting blanks. I can't see a professional shooting real bullets from an angle like that.
Escaped or dead with the hostages? Male or Female? Come on. Figure this shit out already.
Let's wait for a confirmation from a reliable source. But I have a hard time figuring out how you could escape from a shop surrounded by police forces.
Yeah it's basically impossible considering the amount of cops, and the various police cordon.
On January 10 2015 02:43 Nitro68 wrote: You can see a cop shooting from outsider while they are opzning the door. There is also explosion on the left right at the start.
The police is most likely shooting blanks. I can't see a professional shooting real bullets from an angle like that.
What ? Lol. The policemen were on either side of the door, with the middle open to let one or two guys fire through hidden by the car but having a better view.
Shooting blanks ? Wtf how can you think that... They communicate via radio, voice and hands, and have clear procedures on how to move and when to shoot/wait/storm through...
On Tv: Policemen could hear Coulibaly (they didn't say how, but they said he made a mistake), and they heard him praying they decided to attack at this moment not cause he was distracted but they feared that he was ready to do something
On January 10 2015 02:50 Boucot wrote: By the way there was a guy hidden in the office where the Kouachi brothers were killed. He was talking with the police all along the day.
Dang, must have been scary but good for him to be able to do it and not just sit quietly
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