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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:51 ZeromuS wrote: Dang, must have been scary but good for him to be able to do it and not just sit quietly Was hiding himself in a carton, and gave the police information on the brother's location, the topography of the place, etc. 28 years old dude... | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:51 Yhamm wrote: On Tv: Policemen could hear Coulibaly (they didn't say how, but they said he made a mistake), and they heard him praying they decided to attack at this moment not cause he was distracted but they feared that he was ready to do something I read they could see him by the surveillance cameras that he didn't bother to destroy. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On January 10 2015 01:56 farvacola wrote: So, for a small change of pace, much of my social media is full of radicals and other folks fighting over exactly what kind of publication Charlie Hebdo is, with some arguing that its hypocritical and a front for conservatism and others saying that they are just really big fans of extremely biting satire. I was wondering if TL's French posters could give us their opinion on the magazine? I'm trying to get a sense for what it is the paper does, and I don't trust pretty much anyone who isn't "around" the magazine regularly. What I just replied to a friend who posted an article saying Charlie Hebdo was racist: The point that the article you linked to seems to completely miss is that Charlie Hebdo cartoons only represent racism and xenophobia to fight them and ridicule them - that's the entire point of satire. Their targets were notably racism, xenophobia, religious extremism and religious symbols, but they did NOT target religious people. Mocking religious symbols and institutions (such as the Pope, Jesus, Mahomet, etc.) is NOT racist or xenophobic. Attacking religious people (muslims, christians, jews, etc.) is, and that is NOT what Charlie Hebdo was doing. All of the covers cited in the article mock religious symbols, religious extremists (see the one where Mahomet is weeping, the "cons" he refers to are the extremists, as highlighted in the text next to the picture, not the muslims in general), or mock right-wing xenophobic fantasies about the Other (the drawing on the final "welfare queens" cover does NOT attack muslim women asking for welfare but the exact opposite: it is there to ridicule right-wing fantasies about immigrants profiting from welfare). The message of the cartoons is the OPPOSITE of racist, it is antiracist and works through satire, irony and ridicule. The author of your article completely misunderstands this and reads them at face value (au premier degré), which is not at all how they work. Also, contrary to what is asserted in the article, Charlie Hebdo did not only target Islam and islamic extremists but all religions and religious extremism in all forms. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:54 Boucot wrote: I read they could see him by the surveillance cameras that he didn't bother to destroy. now they are saying he badly hang up a phone (he contacted someone) and they could hear him from there | ||
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:49 Nouar wrote: What ? Lol. The policemen were on either side of the door, with the middle open to let one or two guys fire through hidden by the car but having a better view. Shooting blanks ? Wtf how can you think that... They communicate via radio, voice and hands, and have clear procedures on how to move and when to shoot/wait/storm through... It would be way too risky to shoot through your fellow policemen from that angle. ESPECIALLY while they are kicking the glass and door down. Sure, we cannot see the whole situation clearly enough to know how much space there is to shoot through. This is common knowledge to anyone that has done any military training what so ever, or even if you'd use your common fucking sense. And why blanks? Well, first off, you don't need live ammunition for every fucking man when there is dozens of them around the entrance. Secondly, i'm sure its more common than you think to create some kind of diversion using blanks. Thus in a situation like this, it seems more likely than reckless shooting through your friends. Tell me why would someone be shooting from there, if the guys next to the door could shoot inside just as well, SAFELY. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:57 OtherWorld wrote: Matteo Renzi will be in Paris on Sunday too. Me too. ;D Joking aside almost everybody I know will be at the march in Paris. A good party to end this nightmare and pay our respect to the dead. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
"Female suspect in supermarket siege escaped as hostages ran away, a French police union spokesman says." --CNN | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:53 WhiteDog wrote: Was hiding himself in a carton, and gave the police information on the brother's location, the topography of the place, etc. 28 years old dude... Wow that is some movie material | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On January 10 2015 03:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Wow that is some movie material the carton, that's metal gear solid level | ||
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:59 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: CNN says that woman is on the run. "Female suspect in supermarket siege escaped as hostages ran away, a French police union spokesman says." --CNN she was never a suspect in the supermarket stuff. She is only the known girlfriend of Coulibaly but she was never seen today | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On January 10 2015 02:59 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: CNN says that woman is on the run. "Female suspect in supermarket siege escaped as hostages ran away, a French police union spokesman says." --CNN Nothing from french media on that so far. Supermarket: 4 dead +1 dead terrorist, 5 wounded 3 seriously. | ||
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derc
France126 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 10 2015 03:02 derc wrote: He was in a freeze room not a carton*. info FTV2 No it's the hostage in the supermarket that were in a freeze room. There's no freeze room in a printing house. Dissimulé sous un carton, ce salarié de l'imprimerie aurait réussi à transmettre quelques informations aux forces de l'ordre avec son téléphone portable. http://www.ouest-france.fr/charlie-hebdo-lassaut-du-gign-serait-lance-dammartin-3103727 | ||
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 10 2015 03:02 derc wrote: He was in a freeze room not a carton*. info FTV2 there is no "freeze room" in a printing shop  | ||
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derc
France126 Posts
On January 10 2015 03:03 WhiteDog wrote: No it's the hostage in the supermarket that were in a freeze room. There's no freeze room in an imprimery. Hmm that seems logical. Was just quoting an official from the police who just said that when they were speaking about imprimery assault, maybe he messed up, so did I. edit : well the "print shop" was kinda huge so there could be anything in it according to my poor knowledge in printing :p But yes you were right that scene was indeed in the supermarket, several people included a child locked themselves into it when the terrorist entered the supermarket. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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derc
France126 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 10 2015 03:05 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: so female suspect escape confirmed or not? also would that be other dudes gf or another so far unknown? shes the gf of the guy killed in the supermarket she has not escaped since it is unknown if she has done anything at all, but her status is unknown and she is wanted | ||
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