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On January 09 2015 22:59 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 22:57 OtherWorld wrote:On January 09 2015 22:55 Makro wrote:On January 09 2015 22:50 Grettin wrote:On January 09 2015 22:47 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 09 2015 22:46 Makro wrote:
"Amedy (the terrorist porte de Vincennes) had already faced justice"
and now he's free, nice And faced justice for terrorism Just like the two brothers right? Talk about fucking up hardcore with the surveillance. If the justice doesn't follow the action of the police and the intelligence service (there were recent complain about), all the effort you are putting into stopping them means nothing police and intelligence service are not to blame here Justice is here to judge what people have done according to laws, not to try to predict who's going to make a terrorist attack and who isn't... what you said made no sense they were facing justice for terrorism, they(the justice) had everything in their hands to know what could happen next, this is naiveté and ignorance from them, that's it
Coulibaly got sentenced to jail for his crimes. What do you want the justice to do apart from that?
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On January 09 2015 23:02 Nouar wrote:
Btw we do not have the ressources to keep watch and detailed tabs on every guy involved with islamists and terrorism. They have to put priorities and there are much worse guy out there... More than 30projects have been neutralised before they happened in the last few years.
It's the problem with counter terrorism: when it succeeds, nobody notices it.
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On January 09 2015 22:59 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 22:57 OtherWorld wrote:On January 09 2015 22:55 Makro wrote:On January 09 2015 22:50 Grettin wrote:On January 09 2015 22:47 FFW_Rude wrote:And faced justice for terrorism Just like the two brothers right? Talk about fucking up hardcore with the surveillance. If the justice doesn't follow the action of the police and the intelligence service (there were recent complain about), all the effort you are putting into stopping them means nothing police and intelligence service are not to blame here Justice is here to judge what people have done according to laws, not to try to predict who's going to make a terrorist attack and who isn't... what you said made no sense they were facing justice for terrorism, they(the justice) had everything in their hands to know what could happen next, this is naiveté and ignorance from them, that's it
Courts judge people on what they have done in the past, not on what they may or may not do in the future. Putting someone in jail because of a crime he may or may not commit in the future is absolutely ridiculous. The West's justice system is still based on the principle that someone is innocent unless proven otherwise.
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Polices cars are coming to Trocadero.
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On January 09 2015 23:00 eieio wrote:
Hey guys I haven't really been keeping up with this because I hadn't realized how huge a deal it was (somehow I didn't realize the situation hadn't been defused yet).
This is pretty crazy, is there a decent summary I can read to figure out WTF is going on?
Two hostage situations going on. Two brothers and another guy (who is supposedly the guy who shot a police officer yesterday). They are apparently connected.
The guy who shot the officer yesterday has taken 5+ hostages in a Kosher market/bakery.
Brothers are also surrounded with a hostage.
Oh and couple/few (hard to say how many exactly, not confirmed) are dead after all this today.
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This needs to stop. -,-
They already got the maximum exposure for their horrific act and people start changing their attitudes, including me tbh... But, the spiral of hatred must not start! Killing satirical journalists, mosques being attacked in revenge, further terror attacks by extremists, ... It's what they want!
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On January 09 2015 22:59 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 22:57 OtherWorld wrote:On January 09 2015 22:55 Makro wrote:On January 09 2015 22:50 Grettin wrote:On January 09 2015 22:47 FFW_Rude wrote:And faced justice for terrorism Just like the two brothers right? Talk about fucking up hardcore with the surveillance. If the justice doesn't follow the action of the police and the intelligence service (there were recent complain about), all the effort you are putting into stopping them means nothing police and intelligence service are not to blame here Justice is here to judge what people have done according to laws, not to try to predict who's going to make a terrorist attack and who isn't... what you said made no sense they were facing justice for terrorism, they(the justice) had everything in their hands to know what could happen next, this is naiveté and ignorance from them, that's it
Actually what he said made perfect sense. The court which put him in jail decided the sentence based on the offense, and rightly so. If the offense did not warrant indefinite imprisonment, then it's perfectly normal that he ended up being released.
Another matter is the surveillance that he should have been subjected to after his release (and perhaps was subjected to, even if it failed), a surveillance carried out by police/intelligence services.
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On January 09 2015 23:03 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 23:00 eieio wrote:
Hey guys I haven't really been keeping up with this because I hadn't realized how huge a deal it was (somehow I didn't realize the situation hadn't been defused yet).
This is pretty crazy, is there a decent summary I can read to figure out WTF is going on? Two hostage situations going on. Two brothers and another guy (who is supposedly the guy who shot a police officer yesterday). They are apparently connected. The guy who shot the officer yesterday has taken 5+ hostages in a Kosher market/bakery. Brothers are also surrounded with a hostage.
fucking christ. Thanks for the summary.
Not sure what to say other than that I hope nobody else gets hurt. Thanks all for the updates.
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On January 09 2015 23:04 eieio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 23:03 Grettin wrote:On January 09 2015 23:00 eieio wrote:
Hey guys I haven't really been keeping up with this because I hadn't realized how huge a deal it was (somehow I didn't realize the situation hadn't been defused yet).
This is pretty crazy, is there a decent summary I can read to figure out WTF is going on? Two hostage situations going on. Two brothers and another guy (who is supposedly the guy who shot a police officer yesterday). They are apparently connected. The guy who shot the officer yesterday has taken 5+ hostages in a Kosher market/bakery. Brothers are also surrounded with a hostage. fucking christ. Thanks for the summary. Not sure what to say other than that I hope nobody else gets hurt. Thanks all for the updates.
I forgot to mention that there is already casualties because of all of this what happened today.
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Kosher market? Yeah let's involve Israel now omfg.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On January 09 2015 23:00 eieio wrote:
Hey guys I haven't really been keeping up with this because I hadn't realized how huge a deal it was (somehow I didn't realize the situation hadn't been defused yet).
This is pretty crazy, is there a decent summary I can read to figure out WTF is going on?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30708237
This provides a timeline summary of the events surrounding the two brothers. There is also a second hostage taking in a kosher supermarket, but the identity of the hostage taker is not certain (some are saying it's the same guy who shot dead a policewoman yesterday)
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Policeman in Trocadero checking the subway.
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On January 09 2015 23:06 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 23:04 eieio wrote:On January 09 2015 23:03 Grettin wrote:On January 09 2015 23:00 eieio wrote:
Hey guys I haven't really been keeping up with this because I hadn't realized how huge a deal it was (somehow I didn't realize the situation hadn't been defused yet).
This is pretty crazy, is there a decent summary I can read to figure out WTF is going on? Two hostage situations going on. Two brothers and another guy (who is supposedly the guy who shot a police officer yesterday). They are apparently connected. The guy who shot the officer yesterday has taken 5+ hostages in a Kosher market/bakery. Brothers are also surrounded with a hostage. fucking christ. Thanks for the summary. Not sure what to say other than that I hope nobody else gets hurt. Thanks all for the updates. I forgot to mention that there is already casualties because of all of this what happened today.
Well I guess I stand by what I said in that I hope for no more casualties, but this is some scary shit.
e: thanks ahswtini, I shoulda checked the BBC myself but this looks very helpful.
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Sorry, but what exactly is Trocadero? Famous place in Paris I guess...
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On January 09 2015 23:09 mdb wrote:
Sorry, but what exactly is Trocadero? Famous place in Paris I guess...
After reading i can't answer i don't know my own country sorry
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On January 09 2015 23:06 FreeZEternal wrote:
Kosher market? Yeah let's involve Israel now omfg.
Kosher is also for muslims.
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Zurich15365 Posts
I really don't envy the authorities in France right now. This is getting so confusing with more drama happening by the hour.
Lets just hope no one gets shot for looking Brazilian this time.
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So according to this article in a Belgian newspaper: www.nieuwsblad.be
ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks, and announced it is 'only the beginning', claiming the UK and USA are gonna get attacked tomorrow.
No source cited... not sure how accurate it is.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On January 09 2015 23:14 Laurens wrote:So according to this article in a Belgian newspaper: www.nieuwsblad.beISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks, and announced it is 'only the beginning', claiming the UK and USA are gonna get attacked tomorrow. No source cited... not sure how accurate it is.
Stratfor saying the same
Baghdad (dpa)- A cleric from the Islamic State group claims the radical militia was responsible for the deadly attack on the Paris offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.
"We started with the France operation for which we take responsibility. Tomorrow will be in Britain, America and others," Abu Saad al-Ansari said in a sermon in the Islamic State-controlled Iraqi city of Mosul.
"This is a message to all countries participating in the [US-led] coalition that has killed Islamic State members."
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One of my friend is near the Trocadero, she's studying there, the school is being closed.
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