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On January 09 2015 21:31 Aeromi wrote: I retweeted a picture on my account, can some ne post it please ? I'M on a train right now :/
I can't translate that. Something about sniper rifle..
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On January 09 2015 21:27 Iplaythings wrote: As a Dane, who had seen the danish newspaper Jyllands Posten post satirical drawings of Muhammed, this feels like something that could've happend in Denmark. I've allways thought that you should keep posting these pictures, freedom of speech is very important (which was handled excellently by our Prime Minister back in the day) and drawings that are satirical should be seen as such. However a friend of mine posted on facebook that this harsh stand for our right to publicly "shame" (as some people interpret it to my understanding) their religion, with these drawings.
He illustrated it with a rather overexagerated example "let's draw all the politician's children in situations where they are tortured or raped and then call it "the politicians freedom of speech in action" as a satirical drawing". The analogy is poorly made, however the point stands to me: If people are heavily offended by something that you mean no harm with, why in the world would you keep doing that something? To defend our right of free speech? Well maybe, but again this isn't really about us, we're not the ones who're being offended Because we shouldn't give in to terrorism like this in France (or when everyone went batshit crazy during the Muhammed drawing thing)? I like this arguement better, however I'm not sure it's backing down from terrorism as much as it is respecting other peoples religion. Note, I do in no way at all support or defend the shootings, I just saw people in the danish media who wanted to print out the muhammed drawings again to make some kind of a point, I'm honestly not sure which one...
The difference with your illustration is that it's asbolutly not humouristic at all, for anyone, so even if they can draw something like that, il wold just lead to the end of their newspaper. The goal of a satirical newspaper is to be witty, funny and controversial at the same time. Illustrating kid's rape just for the insult is of poor taste.
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Sniper, shield. Holy fucking shit
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Porte de Vincennes keeping hostage confirmed, confirmed to be the same mofo as yesterday morning in Montrouge. Apparently, several women in this store.
Seems like he is acting mimicrying his two mofos friends.
EDIT : apparently the guys @Vincennes said to the police : "You know who I am." Could be the guy from Montrouge, but could also be the third guy from the Charlie Hebdo massacre (only supposition here).
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On January 09 2015 21:28 1oo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 21:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 09 2015 21:13 Agathon wrote:On January 09 2015 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote: French government said : "Les équipes de négociation ont tenté d'établir un contact avec les forcenés"
So : Negotiation team tried to contact the madmen I hope it won't need 2 days like Merah... They will take the time they need to starve them or make them sleepy. Special forces aren't rushing stuff in France. Remember the airport affair where the gendarmerie (i think) took an assaut on a plane and there was casualties. I don't think no special force want to do that kind of assault again. So.. the hostages are going to starve too?
Yes but not to death. They want the guys tired. So the assault will take place at night. Day assault is too dangerous.
On January 09 2015 21:21 Ishentar wrote: The plane hostage crisis assault resulted in 0 hostage death, it's not a good example of failed assault.
There was death in the gandermerie though
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On January 09 2015 21:36 SkrollK wrote: Porte de Vincennes keeping hostage confirmed, confirmed to be the same mofo as yesterday morning in Montrouge. Apparently, several women in this store.
Seems like he is acting mimicrying his two mofos friends.
If they are actually connected (as it was said to be true), looks more like trying to "help" out. Just like yesterday, he attacked when the two were on the run from the police. Diverting forces.
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On January 09 2015 21:36 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 21:28 1oo wrote:On January 09 2015 21:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 09 2015 21:13 Agathon wrote:On January 09 2015 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote: French government said : "Les équipes de négociation ont tenté d'établir un contact avec les forcenés"
So : Negotiation team tried to contact the madmen I hope it won't need 2 days like Merah... They will take the time they need to starve them or make them sleepy. Special forces aren't rushing stuff in France. Remember the airport affair where the gendarmerie (i think) took an assaut on a plane and there was casualties. I don't think no special force want to do that kind of assault again. So.. the hostages are going to starve too? Yes but not to death. They want the guys tired. So the assault will take place at night. Day assault is too dangerous. Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 21:21 Ishentar wrote: The plane hostage crisis assault resulted in 0 hostage death, it's not a good example of failed assault.
There was death in the gandermerie though wounded but no death, resulting in one of the most succesful operation in the history of the gign
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LeMonde saying the shooter identity in Vincennes is not confirmed
On January 09 2015 21:38 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 21:36 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 09 2015 21:28 1oo wrote:On January 09 2015 21:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 09 2015 21:13 Agathon wrote:On January 09 2015 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote: French government said : "Les équipes de négociation ont tenté d'établir un contact avec les forcenés"
So : Negotiation team tried to contact the madmen I hope it won't need 2 days like Merah... They will take the time they need to starve them or make them sleepy. Special forces aren't rushing stuff in France. Remember the airport affair where the gendarmerie (i think) took an assaut on a plane and there was casualties. I don't think no special force want to do that kind of assault again. So.. the hostages are going to starve too? Yes but not to death. They want the guys tired. So the assault will take place at night. Day assault is too dangerous. On January 09 2015 21:21 Ishentar wrote: The plane hostage crisis assault resulted in 0 hostage death, it's not a good example of failed assault.
There was death in the gandermerie though wounded but no death, resulting in one of the most succesful operation in the history of the gign
Well then i'm stupid and was thinking about something else. Sorry.
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On January 09 2015 21:37 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 21:36 SkrollK wrote: Porte de Vincennes keeping hostage confirmed, confirmed to be the same mofo as yesterday morning in Montrouge. Apparently, several women in this store.
Seems like he is acting mimicrying his two mofos friends. If they are actually connected (as it was said to be true), looks more like trying to "help" out. Just like yesterday, he attacked when the two were on the run from the police. Diverting forces.
Yep, you're mb right there. But what i'm fearing is that if the assault is not concerted between the two location, you could have a vengeance perpetred on some hostage from one part or the other...
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On January 09 2015 21:39 SoSexy wrote: SHIT a tank o.o
LeMonde saying it maybe just be a coincidence that the tank would be there only for transit. No confirmation if the tank is heading to the hostage situation
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No, there were no deaths in GIGN, 9 injured but no deaths, only 4 hijackers and 3 hostage but it was before the assault.
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I used to go to the hippodrome of vincennes every year for the Prix d'Amerique, this is painful :S do you know exactly how far the shooting is from it?
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On January 09 2015 21:41 Ishentar wrote: No, there were no deaths in GIGN, 9 injured but no deaths, only 4 hijackers and 3 hostage but it was before the assault.
I stand corrected. Responded in another post. Sorry.
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On January 09 2015 21:40 FFW_Rude wrote:LeMonde saying it maybe just be a coincidence that the tank would be there only for transit. No confirmation if the tank is heading to the hostage situation
Fuck it at this point. Might as well bring in tank(s).
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actually it's a AMX_10_RC but i think it's only a coincidence
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On January 09 2015 21:32 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 21:27 Iplaythings wrote: As a Dane, who had seen the danish newspaper Jyllands Posten post satirical drawings of Muhammed, this feels like something that could've happend in Denmark. I've allways thought that you should keep posting these pictures, freedom of speech is very important (which was handled excellently by our Prime Minister back in the day) and drawings that are satirical should be seen as such. However a friend of mine posted on facebook that this harsh stand for our right to publicly "shame" (as some people interpret it to my understanding) their religion, with these drawings.
He illustrated it with a rather overexagerated example "let's draw all the politician's children in situations where they are tortured or raped and then call it "the politicians freedom of speech in action" as a satirical drawing". The analogy is poorly made, however the point stands to me: If people are heavily offended by something that you mean no harm with, why in the world would you keep doing that something? To defend our right of free speech? Well maybe, but again this isn't really about us, we're not the ones who're being offended Because we shouldn't give in to terrorism like this in France (or when everyone went batshit crazy during the Muhammed drawing thing)? I like this arguement better, however I'm not sure it's backing down from terrorism as much as it is respecting other peoples religion. Note, I do in no way at all support or defend the shootings, I just saw people in the danish media who wanted to print out the muhammed drawings again to make some kind of a point, I'm honestly not sure which one... The difference with your illustration is that it's asbolutly not humouristic at all, for anyone, so even if they can draw something like that, il wold just lead to the end of their newspaper. The goal of a satirical newspaper is to be witty, funny and controversial at the same time. Illustrating kid's rape just for the insult is of poor taste. You completely missed my point man, I even said it was exagerated. If you're gonna respond to quote please don't take it out of a context, ofcourse the example is in a bad taste but that's not the point here. The point I'm trying to make is that what we find witty, funny and controversial these people interpret it as what you accurately defeind as "an insult of poor taste" and I am not sure if it's worth making a stand for the right to draw these satirical drawings..
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On January 09 2015 21:43 Makro wrote:actually it's a AMX_10_RC but i think it's only a coincidence
Oh, well anyway, it's not that uncommon to see a light armored vehicles during hostage situations. I guess we'll see!
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Reading LeMonde I realized that all the officials who came at Charlie Hebdo right after the initial massacre could have died as well. According to someone working at the security department of the State, it was a major mistake to allow the President and all the other ministers/official to go there that fast and without added security because it could have been the plan of the terrorists to make a massacre, attract the officials on the site and then make another massacre. edit : according to France Inter the guy at the Porte de Vincennes has 2 hostages, dunno how legit is the source though
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