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On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man...
In the very specific context of the Primer Minister saying he would regret the departure of 100k Jewish people more than 100k Spaniards, yes I do think that "jews are put above others". You yourself are saying that Jewish people deserve special treatment (your own words!) for the Holocaust which took place 50 years ago. I'm asking why, since there are lots of populations which had atrocities committed to them.
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On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:50 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 23:41 OtherWorld wrote:On January 13 2015 23:17 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 23:14 maartendq wrote:On January 13 2015 18:55 Makro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On January 13 2015 18:27 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 18:19 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 18:03 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 17:27 Incognoto wrote:On January 13 2015 17:15 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On January 13 2015 16:53 Incognoto wrote:Valls, a Socialist who is the son of Spanish immigrants, describes the threat of a Jewish exodus from France this way: “If 100,000 French people of Spanish origin were to leave, I would never say that France is not France anymore. But if 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France. The French Republic will be judged a failure.” I don't understand this. Why? Are Spaniards not as important or something? Edit: Ok maybe I'm just stupid or something, I don't know, I'm not smart enough to be French, I guess? Why is the hostage situation in the market an attack towards Jewish people rather than France? Antisemitism is obviously on the rise but that's not the only form of intolerance which is gaining ground in France, so why on earth are we so quick to suck up to the Jewish? Because an attack on a Kosher Supermarket is an attack on Jewish people. People were shopping for food for Shabbat dinner most likely and the fact that Coulibaly targeted this market in particular says that he was targeting Jews. Of course antisemitism isn't the only form of intolerance out there, this was also an attack on the French people. But saying that this isn't an act of antisemitism, in my eyes, is pretending that the problem isn't there and that people would rather focus on this as just an attack on France, which it is, and not on the fact that this is also an attack on the Jews of France. ahh I see this is why the rest of us inferior french (french french, muslim french, spanish french) can leave the country and the prime minister won't give a shit maybe you miss the point wich was a reference to WWII and the fact we didn't protect the jewish community from beeing deported to nazi camps also, the terrorists targets were certainly not aimed at "french people" like you tend to think but symbols : media - police forces - jews that's basically everything people like Dieudonné bash all day long and what young marginal poor people in the suburbs see as the evil incarnate so yeah as you said you must be pretty stupid I don't have a problem with Jewish people at all, sorry. Rather I'd like to keep things real, you can privilege one community over another. Jewish people do indeed have their problems but then again, so do a LOT of other minorities in France. So yeah, antisemitism is bad then again so is racism, homophobia and a lot of other things. For the prime minister to blatantly say "I don't care if 100k Spaniards leave but I'll be sad if 100k Jewish people do" does indeed annoy me. I am the last person in France to shit on police forces as well, I have a lot of respect for them actually. I don't spout the "CRS SS" nonsense that so many young people like to do. Nor do I have a problem with Jewish people, as I said before. Nor do I have a problem with Muslims. However I will say that the situation of Israel - Palestine is fucked up. I do have a problem with media, they always give an incomplete picture or biased view. True journalism in France is hard to find, i.e. medias don't just straight up report facts, they present what they want in the light that they want. I view Marine Le Pen as a pig who learned how to talk for instance, yet I am still very annoyed that we don't get to hear her views in a completely impartial manner (e.g. Ruth Elkrief vs Marine Le Pen). Dieudonné gets censored because he says things which are politically incorrect (afaik? I don't know what he talks about, nor do I particularly care). Zemmour is considered trash in France as well but then again how can you consider someone trash when you refuse to listen what he has to say? If it it's not "politically correct" then you aren't allowed to express your views. You even hear people say "I don't read Le Figaro" or "I don't read Le Monde", which blows my fucking mind. Why would you cherry pick the way you obtain your information and the way its presented to you? Are you too stupid to judge things for yourself? Do you need "journalism" to present the information in a way that reflects your political views? Let's be fucking real here, true journalism is as close to impartial as you can get and that is NOT what most French media is. mass medias are commercial entities that earn money over ad and audience also the two journals you mentionned are "opinion press" meaning they present to their audience a point of view over the facts and an interpretation of those, and certainly not "straight facts" as you tend to think if you want pure straight facts just use press agencies as a source of information that way you won't feel it "biaised" as to the jewish community reference you still don't get what the prime minister said he basically says that if 100 000 jewish ppl migrate to israel because they feel insecure in france, that will mean history repeats itself again and that the french gov will again have failed at protecting them like they failed times and times again in the past French gov has a very specific history towards jewish community - Dreyfus case, mass deportation. Keep in mind french gov in WWII willingly offered help to the nazis to find, arrest and send jews to camp without even Hitler having to ask for it, as it was considered an act of good faith back then towards the nazi gov. I wont even comment on the Marine Lepen can't express herself shit, as if you just google it, you'll prolly find TV airing numbers and see she's basically the political person that is going the most on TV and radio since the past two years. Zemmour is considered trash for a very good reason - hes part of a category of showman pretending to be an intellectual while beeing in fact a very uneducated fraud if you want to listen to smart, intelligent ppl, you have plenty of those on the radio like on France Culture Zemmour is the no1 best selling author in france since mid october or something, alongside the ex wife of the current president. So saying nobody listens to him is a bit far streched to say the least. The problem is people need to go fucking educate theirselves and stop listening to people spreading non sense and falsifying history to make editorial money. the statement of the prime minister is still wrong and extremely insulting every french that leave france because of insecurity, jewish or not, should be considered as an inner failure of the republic and historical fact, even if they are true and have to be acknowledged, shouldn't be used this way to make a group of people more important than the rest, because you basically create a profond division into the population everyone should be regarded as the same Netanyahu is a right-wing nationalist that happily pushes aside any piece of international regulation that does not let him do what he wants to Palestinian territory, and gets away with it. I don't know why people expected anything different from him. not only him back then they already wrote a letter to hitler telling him he was right about jews not belonging to germany and that he should send them to israel to wich hitler replied something like "im coming for you next" What? Israel did not exist as a country back in Hitler's times, or am I missing something? On January 13 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 18:57 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 18:55 Makro wrote:[ + Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On January 13 2015 18:27 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 18:19 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 18:03 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 17:27 Incognoto wrote:On January 13 2015 17:15 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On January 13 2015 16:53 Incognoto wrote:Valls, a Socialist who is the son of Spanish immigrants, describes the threat of a Jewish exodus from France this way: “If 100,000 French people of Spanish origin were to leave, I would never say that France is not France anymore. But if 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France. The French Republic will be judged a failure.” I don't understand this. Why? Are Spaniards not as important or something? Edit: Ok maybe I'm just stupid or something, I don't know, I'm not smart enough to be French, I guess? Why is the hostage situation in the market an attack towards Jewish people rather than France? Antisemitism is obviously on the rise but that's not the only form of intolerance which is gaining ground in France, so why on earth are we so quick to suck up to the Jewish? Because an attack on a Kosher Supermarket is an attack on Jewish people. People were shopping for food for Shabbat dinner most likely and the fact that Coulibaly targeted this market in particular says that he was targeting Jews. Of course antisemitism isn't the only form of intolerance out there, this was also an attack on the French people. But saying that this isn't an act of antisemitism, in my eyes, is pretending that the problem isn't there and that people would rather focus on this as just an attack on France, which it is, and not on the fact that this is also an attack on the Jews of France. ahh I see this is why the rest of us inferior french (french french, muslim french, spanish french) can leave the country and the prime minister won't give a shit maybe you miss the point wich was a reference to WWII and the fact we didn't protect the jewish community from beeing deported to nazi camps also, the terrorists targets were certainly not aimed at "french people" like you tend to think but symbols : media - police forces - jews that's basically everything people like Dieudonné bash all day long and what young marginal poor people in the suburbs see as the evil incarnate so yeah as you said you must be pretty stupid. I don't have a problem with Jewish people at all, sorry. Rather I'd like to keep things real, you can privilege one community over another. Jewish people do indeed have their problems but then again, so do a LOT of other minorities in France. So yeah, antisemitism is bad then again so is racism, homophobia and a lot of other things. For the prime minister to blatantly say "I don't care if 100k Spaniards leave but I'll be sad if 100k Jewish people do" does indeed annoy me. I am the last person in France to shit on police forces as well, I have a lot of respect for them actually. I don't spout the "CRS SS" nonsense that so many young people like to do. Nor do I have a problem with Jewish people, as I said before. Nor do I have a problem with Muslims. However I will say that the situation of Israel - Palestine is fucked up. I do have a problem with media, they always give an incomplete picture or biased view. True journalism in France is hard to find, i.e. medias don't just straight up report facts, they present what they want in the light that they want. I view Marine Le Pen as a pig who learned how to talk for instance, yet I am still very annoyed that we don't get to hear her views in a completely impartial manner (e.g. Ruth Elkrief vs Marine Le Pen). Dieudonné gets censored because he says things which are politically incorrect (afaik? I don't know what he talks about, nor do I particularly care). Zemmour is considered trash in France as well but then again how can you consider someone trash when you refuse to listen what he has to say? If it it's not "politically correct" then you aren't allowed to express your views. You even hear people say "I don't read Le Figaro" or "I don't read Le Monde", which blows my fucking mind. Why would you cherry pick the way you obtain your information and the way its presented to you? Are you too stupid to judge things for yourself? Do you need "journalism" to present the information in a way that reflects your political views? Let's be fucking real here, true journalism is as close to impartial as you can get and that is NOT what most French media is. mass medias are commercial entities that earn money over ad and audience also the two journals you mentionned are "opinion press" meaning they present to their audience a point of view over the facts and an interpretation of those, and certainly not "straight facts" as you tend to think if you want pure straight facts just use press agencies as a source of information that way you won't feel it "biaised" as to the jewish community reference you still don't get what the prime minister said he basically says that if 100 000 jewish ppl migrate to israel because they feel insecure in france, that will mean history repeats itself again and that the french gov will again have failed at protecting them like they failed times and times again in the past French gov has a very specific history towards jewish community - Dreyfus case, mass deportation. Keep in mind french gov in WWII willingly offered help to the nazis to find, arrest and send jews to camp without even Hitler having to ask for it, as it was considered an act of good faith back then towards the nazi gov. I wont even comment on the Marine Lepen can't express herself shit, as if you just google it, you'll prolly find TV airing numbers and see she's basically the political person that is going the most on TV and radio since the past two years. Zemmour is considered trash for a very good reason - hes part of a category of showman pretending to be an intellectual while beeing in fact a very uneducated fraud if you want to listen to smart, intelligent ppl, you have plenty of those on the radio like on France Culture Zemmour is the no1 best selling author in france since mid october or something, alongside the ex wife of the current president. So saying nobody listens to him is a bit far streched to say the least. The problem is people need to go fucking educate theirselves and stop listening to people spreading non sense and falsifying history to make editorial money. again you didn't understand the statement either it's a symbol meaning that if we're not able to make the community that was the most targeted and suffered the most from recent history feel safe, history will repeat again a community of ppl leaves france as they're targeted because they're a community means we fail at protecting communities in our country spanish ppl feel safe in France and won't have to leave why ? are we giving them special treatment ? it's just they're lucky to not bear any stigmate from history what he meant by "i dont care if 100 000 spanish leave france" was that this is impossible and irrealistic and won't happen while 100 000 jews leaving for Israel can very well happen and would be the same as losing 100 000 citizens because of terrible events like in the WWII You're the one who didn't understand their point : it's also a symbol to reaffirm the national unity. A jew dying is a tragic event, but it's first and foremost a french dying, a brother (fraternité), a Citizen : when a french jew is attacked, the muslim community should also feel attacked, which is not the case if you differenciate the two (it's the same process applied with social security or school : creating distinctions eventually lead to distinguished systems, with school and hospitals for jewish and muslim). Putting the jewish community on a pedestale only create friction between communities that feel like the republic is not treating its Citizen equally. I don't know if you are familiar with the Jewish community but the concerns of some/most Jewish in France is precisely that they are not being put on a pedestal, but that the government(s) doesn't care about them and their security, and that non-Jewish French people consider them as non-French. And concerning Valls' sentence I think we shouldn't look too much into it tbh. It feels pretty obvious to me that it was a response to Netanyahu proposing to the Jewish community to come to Israel. They're effectively put on a pedestal if you look at the discourse. The reality doesn't matter, the political discourse and the symbol is. That the jewish community doesn't believe it is put on a pedestal is another matter : the real problem does not come from the jewish community, but from the poor, excluded, unemployed and oftentime seemingly apolitical "underclass" that view jewish communautarism as an expression of the "racial" inequality they are suffering from. In this regard, Merah, the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly are all exemple : young kids who passed in the social aide for kids (aide sociale à l'enfance, A.S.E), school failure, exclusion, small criminality, prison, radicalisation and terrorism. They're the perfect exemple of a process that leads to terrorism and antisemitism. i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatevermaybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood.
okay now thats something
first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever
also I wasn't replying to you in the last post
and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ?
that's sick
if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France
and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know
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On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:50 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 23:41 OtherWorld wrote:On January 13 2015 23:17 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 23:14 maartendq wrote:On January 13 2015 18:55 Makro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On January 13 2015 18:27 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 18:19 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 18:03 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 17:27 Incognoto wrote:On January 13 2015 17:15 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On January 13 2015 16:53 Incognoto wrote:Valls, a Socialist who is the son of Spanish immigrants, describes the threat of a Jewish exodus from France this way: “If 100,000 French people of Spanish origin were to leave, I would never say that France is not France anymore. But if 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France. The French Republic will be judged a failure.” I don't understand this. Why? Are Spaniards not as important or something? Edit: Ok maybe I'm just stupid or something, I don't know, I'm not smart enough to be French, I guess? Why is the hostage situation in the market an attack towards Jewish people rather than France? Antisemitism is obviously on the rise but that's not the only form of intolerance which is gaining ground in France, so why on earth are we so quick to suck up to the Jewish? Because an attack on a Kosher Supermarket is an attack on Jewish people. People were shopping for food for Shabbat dinner most likely and the fact that Coulibaly targeted this market in particular says that he was targeting Jews. Of course antisemitism isn't the only form of intolerance out there, this was also an attack on the French people. But saying that this isn't an act of antisemitism, in my eyes, is pretending that the problem isn't there and that people would rather focus on this as just an attack on France, which it is, and not on the fact that this is also an attack on the Jews of France. ahh I see this is why the rest of us inferior french (french french, muslim french, spanish french) can leave the country and the prime minister won't give a shit maybe you miss the point wich was a reference to WWII and the fact we didn't protect the jewish community from beeing deported to nazi camps also, the terrorists targets were certainly not aimed at "french people" like you tend to think but symbols : media - police forces - jews that's basically everything people like Dieudonné bash all day long and what young marginal poor people in the suburbs see as the evil incarnate so yeah as you said you must be pretty stupid I don't have a problem with Jewish people at all, sorry. Rather I'd like to keep things real, you can privilege one community over another. Jewish people do indeed have their problems but then again, so do a LOT of other minorities in France. So yeah, antisemitism is bad then again so is racism, homophobia and a lot of other things. For the prime minister to blatantly say "I don't care if 100k Spaniards leave but I'll be sad if 100k Jewish people do" does indeed annoy me. I am the last person in France to shit on police forces as well, I have a lot of respect for them actually. I don't spout the "CRS SS" nonsense that so many young people like to do. Nor do I have a problem with Jewish people, as I said before. Nor do I have a problem with Muslims. However I will say that the situation of Israel - Palestine is fucked up. I do have a problem with media, they always give an incomplete picture or biased view. True journalism in France is hard to find, i.e. medias don't just straight up report facts, they present what they want in the light that they want. I view Marine Le Pen as a pig who learned how to talk for instance, yet I am still very annoyed that we don't get to hear her views in a completely impartial manner (e.g. Ruth Elkrief vs Marine Le Pen). Dieudonné gets censored because he says things which are politically incorrect (afaik? I don't know what he talks about, nor do I particularly care). Zemmour is considered trash in France as well but then again how can you consider someone trash when you refuse to listen what he has to say? If it it's not "politically correct" then you aren't allowed to express your views. You even hear people say "I don't read Le Figaro" or "I don't read Le Monde", which blows my fucking mind. Why would you cherry pick the way you obtain your information and the way its presented to you? Are you too stupid to judge things for yourself? Do you need "journalism" to present the information in a way that reflects your political views? Let's be fucking real here, true journalism is as close to impartial as you can get and that is NOT what most French media is. mass medias are commercial entities that earn money over ad and audience also the two journals you mentionned are "opinion press" meaning they present to their audience a point of view over the facts and an interpretation of those, and certainly not "straight facts" as you tend to think if you want pure straight facts just use press agencies as a source of information that way you won't feel it "biaised" as to the jewish community reference you still don't get what the prime minister said he basically says that if 100 000 jewish ppl migrate to israel because they feel insecure in france, that will mean history repeats itself again and that the french gov will again have failed at protecting them like they failed times and times again in the past French gov has a very specific history towards jewish community - Dreyfus case, mass deportation. Keep in mind french gov in WWII willingly offered help to the nazis to find, arrest and send jews to camp without even Hitler having to ask for it, as it was considered an act of good faith back then towards the nazi gov. I wont even comment on the Marine Lepen can't express herself shit, as if you just google it, you'll prolly find TV airing numbers and see she's basically the political person that is going the most on TV and radio since the past two years. Zemmour is considered trash for a very good reason - hes part of a category of showman pretending to be an intellectual while beeing in fact a very uneducated fraud if you want to listen to smart, intelligent ppl, you have plenty of those on the radio like on France Culture Zemmour is the no1 best selling author in france since mid october or something, alongside the ex wife of the current president. So saying nobody listens to him is a bit far streched to say the least. The problem is people need to go fucking educate theirselves and stop listening to people spreading non sense and falsifying history to make editorial money. the statement of the prime minister is still wrong and extremely insulting every french that leave france because of insecurity, jewish or not, should be considered as an inner failure of the republic and historical fact, even if they are true and have to be acknowledged, shouldn't be used this way to make a group of people more important than the rest, because you basically create a profond division into the population everyone should be regarded as the same Netanyahu is a right-wing nationalist that happily pushes aside any piece of international regulation that does not let him do what he wants to Palestinian territory, and gets away with it. I don't know why people expected anything different from him. not only him back then they already wrote a letter to hitler telling him he was right about jews not belonging to germany and that he should send them to israel to wich hitler replied something like "im coming for you next" What? Israel did not exist as a country back in Hitler's times, or am I missing something? On January 13 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 18:57 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 18:55 Makro wrote:[ + Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On January 13 2015 18:27 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 18:19 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 18:03 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 17:27 Incognoto wrote:On January 13 2015 17:15 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On January 13 2015 16:53 Incognoto wrote:Valls, a Socialist who is the son of Spanish immigrants, describes the threat of a Jewish exodus from France this way: “If 100,000 French people of Spanish origin were to leave, I would never say that France is not France anymore. But if 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France. The French Republic will be judged a failure.” I don't understand this. Why? Are Spaniards not as important or something? Edit: Ok maybe I'm just stupid or something, I don't know, I'm not smart enough to be French, I guess? Why is the hostage situation in the market an attack towards Jewish people rather than France? Antisemitism is obviously on the rise but that's not the only form of intolerance which is gaining ground in France, so why on earth are we so quick to suck up to the Jewish? Because an attack on a Kosher Supermarket is an attack on Jewish people. People were shopping for food for Shabbat dinner most likely and the fact that Coulibaly targeted this market in particular says that he was targeting Jews. Of course antisemitism isn't the only form of intolerance out there, this was also an attack on the French people. But saying that this isn't an act of antisemitism, in my eyes, is pretending that the problem isn't there and that people would rather focus on this as just an attack on France, which it is, and not on the fact that this is also an attack on the Jews of France. ahh I see this is why the rest of us inferior french (french french, muslim french, spanish french) can leave the country and the prime minister won't give a shit maybe you miss the point wich was a reference to WWII and the fact we didn't protect the jewish community from beeing deported to nazi camps also, the terrorists targets were certainly not aimed at "french people" like you tend to think but symbols : media - police forces - jews that's basically everything people like Dieudonné bash all day long and what young marginal poor people in the suburbs see as the evil incarnate so yeah as you said you must be pretty stupid. I don't have a problem with Jewish people at all, sorry. Rather I'd like to keep things real, you can privilege one community over another. Jewish people do indeed have their problems but then again, so do a LOT of other minorities in France. So yeah, antisemitism is bad then again so is racism, homophobia and a lot of other things. For the prime minister to blatantly say "I don't care if 100k Spaniards leave but I'll be sad if 100k Jewish people do" does indeed annoy me. I am the last person in France to shit on police forces as well, I have a lot of respect for them actually. I don't spout the "CRS SS" nonsense that so many young people like to do. Nor do I have a problem with Jewish people, as I said before. Nor do I have a problem with Muslims. However I will say that the situation of Israel - Palestine is fucked up. I do have a problem with media, they always give an incomplete picture or biased view. True journalism in France is hard to find, i.e. medias don't just straight up report facts, they present what they want in the light that they want. I view Marine Le Pen as a pig who learned how to talk for instance, yet I am still very annoyed that we don't get to hear her views in a completely impartial manner (e.g. Ruth Elkrief vs Marine Le Pen). Dieudonné gets censored because he says things which are politically incorrect (afaik? I don't know what he talks about, nor do I particularly care). Zemmour is considered trash in France as well but then again how can you consider someone trash when you refuse to listen what he has to say? If it it's not "politically correct" then you aren't allowed to express your views. You even hear people say "I don't read Le Figaro" or "I don't read Le Monde", which blows my fucking mind. Why would you cherry pick the way you obtain your information and the way its presented to you? Are you too stupid to judge things for yourself? Do you need "journalism" to present the information in a way that reflects your political views? Let's be fucking real here, true journalism is as close to impartial as you can get and that is NOT what most French media is. mass medias are commercial entities that earn money over ad and audience also the two journals you mentionned are "opinion press" meaning they present to their audience a point of view over the facts and an interpretation of those, and certainly not "straight facts" as you tend to think if you want pure straight facts just use press agencies as a source of information that way you won't feel it "biaised" as to the jewish community reference you still don't get what the prime minister said he basically says that if 100 000 jewish ppl migrate to israel because they feel insecure in france, that will mean history repeats itself again and that the french gov will again have failed at protecting them like they failed times and times again in the past French gov has a very specific history towards jewish community - Dreyfus case, mass deportation. Keep in mind french gov in WWII willingly offered help to the nazis to find, arrest and send jews to camp without even Hitler having to ask for it, as it was considered an act of good faith back then towards the nazi gov. I wont even comment on the Marine Lepen can't express herself shit, as if you just google it, you'll prolly find TV airing numbers and see she's basically the political person that is going the most on TV and radio since the past two years. Zemmour is considered trash for a very good reason - hes part of a category of showman pretending to be an intellectual while beeing in fact a very uneducated fraud if you want to listen to smart, intelligent ppl, you have plenty of those on the radio like on France Culture Zemmour is the no1 best selling author in france since mid october or something, alongside the ex wife of the current president. So saying nobody listens to him is a bit far streched to say the least. The problem is people need to go fucking educate theirselves and stop listening to people spreading non sense and falsifying history to make editorial money. again you didn't understand the statement either it's a symbol meaning that if we're not able to make the community that was the most targeted and suffered the most from recent history feel safe, history will repeat again a community of ppl leaves france as they're targeted because they're a community means we fail at protecting communities in our country spanish ppl feel safe in France and won't have to leave why ? are we giving them special treatment ? it's just they're lucky to not bear any stigmate from history what he meant by "i dont care if 100 000 spanish leave france" was that this is impossible and irrealistic and won't happen while 100 000 jews leaving for Israel can very well happen and would be the same as losing 100 000 citizens because of terrible events like in the WWII You're the one who didn't understand their point : it's also a symbol to reaffirm the national unity. A jew dying is a tragic event, but it's first and foremost a french dying, a brother (fraternité), a Citizen : when a french jew is attacked, the muslim community should also feel attacked, which is not the case if you differenciate the two (it's the same process applied with social security or school : creating distinctions eventually lead to distinguished systems, with school and hospitals for jewish and muslim). Putting the jewish community on a pedestale only create friction between communities that feel like the republic is not treating its Citizen equally. I don't know if you are familiar with the Jewish community but the concerns of some/most Jewish in France is precisely that they are not being put on a pedestal, but that the government(s) doesn't care about them and their security, and that non-Jewish French people consider them as non-French. And concerning Valls' sentence I think we shouldn't look too much into it tbh. It feels pretty obvious to me that it was a response to Netanyahu proposing to the Jewish community to come to Israel. They're effectively put on a pedestal if you look at the discourse. The reality doesn't matter, the political discourse and the symbol is. That the jewish community doesn't believe it is put on a pedestal is another matter : the real problem does not come from the jewish community, but from the poor, excluded, unemployed and oftentime seemingly apolitical "underclass" that view jewish communautarism as an expression of the "racial" inequality they are suffering from. In this regard, Merah, the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly are all exemple : young kids who passed in the social aide for kids (aide sociale à l'enfance, A.S.E), school failure, exclusion, small criminality, prison, radicalisation and terrorism. They're the perfect exemple of a process that leads to terrorism and antisemitism. i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatevermaybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know
Do you read ?
Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism, and more to do with class warfare if you want my point of view. I don't believe the jewish are effectively having any objective advantage from the state and its institutions in modern day France. What I believe is that the media insisted so much on antisemitism, gave spotlight to the jewish community through the CRIF, so that people in the lower class believe that the jewish are put of pedestal. And Valls' discourse reinforce that feeling.
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On January 14 2015 01:10 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... In the very specific context of the Primer Minister saying he would regret the departure of 100k Jewish people more than 100k Spaniards, yes I do think that "jews are put above others". You yourself are saying that Jewish people deserve special treatment (your own words!) for the Holocaust which took place 50 years ago. I'm asking why, since there are lots of populations which had atrocities committed to them.
again you miss the whole point of the rhetoric figure used in the speech
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On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:50 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 23:41 OtherWorld wrote:On January 13 2015 23:17 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 23:14 maartendq wrote:
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Netanyahu is a right-wing nationalist that happily pushes aside any piece of international regulation that does not let him do what he wants to Palestinian territory, and gets away with it. I don't know why people expected anything different from him. not only him back then they already wrote a letter to hitler telling him he was right about jews not belonging to germany and that he should send them to israel to wich hitler replied something like "im coming for you next" What? Israel did not exist as a country back in Hitler's times, or am I missing something? On January 13 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 18:57 Boonbag wrote:
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again you didn't understand the statement either
it's a symbol
meaning that if we're not able to make the community that was the most targeted and suffered the most from recent history feel safe, history will repeat again
a community of ppl leaves france as they're targeted because they're a community means we fail at protecting communities in our country
spanish ppl feel safe in France and won't have to leave
why ? are we giving them special treatment ?
it's just they're lucky to not bear any stigmate from history
what he meant by "i dont care if 100 000 spanish leave france" was that this is impossible and irrealistic and won't happen
while 100 000 jews leaving for Israel can very well happen and would be the same as losing 100 000 citizens because of terrible events like in the WWII You're the one who didn't understand their point : it's also a symbol to reaffirm the national unity. A jew dying is a tragic event, but it's first and foremost a french dying, a brother (fraternité), a Citizen : when a french jew is attacked, the muslim community should also feel attacked, which is not the case if you differenciate the two (it's the same process applied with social security or school : creating distinctions eventually lead to distinguished systems, with school and hospitals for jewish and muslim). Putting the jewish community on a pedestale only create friction between communities that feel like the republic is not treating its Citizen equally. I don't know if you are familiar with the Jewish community but the concerns of some/most Jewish in France is precisely that they are not being put on a pedestal, but that the government(s) doesn't care about them and their security, and that non-Jewish French people consider them as non-French. And concerning Valls' sentence I think we shouldn't look too much into it tbh. It feels pretty obvious to me that it was a response to Netanyahu proposing to the Jewish community to come to Israel. They're effectively put on a pedestal if you look at the discourse. The reality doesn't matter, the political discourse and the symbol is. That the jewish community doesn't believe it is put on a pedestal is another matter : the real problem does not come from the jewish community, but from the poor, excluded, unemployed and oftentime seemingly apolitical "underclass" that view jewish communautarism as an expression of the "racial" inequality they are suffering from. In this regard, Merah, the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly are all exemple : young kids who passed in the social aide for kids (aide sociale à l'enfance, A.S.E), school failure, exclusion, small criminality, prison, radicalisation and terrorism. They're the perfect exemple of a process that leads to terrorism and antisemitism. i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatevermaybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ?
the feeling you talk about comes from a hate speech
and jew hate is everything real since 2 millenars
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On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:50 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 23:41 OtherWorld wrote:On January 13 2015 23:17 Boonbag wrote:On January 13 2015 23:14 maartendq wrote:
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Netanyahu is a right-wing nationalist that happily pushes aside any piece of international regulation that does not let him do what he wants to Palestinian territory, and gets away with it. I don't know why people expected anything different from him. not only him back then they already wrote a letter to hitler telling him he was right about jews not belonging to germany and that he should send them to israel to wich hitler replied something like "im coming for you next" What? Israel did not exist as a country back in Hitler's times, or am I missing something? On January 13 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 18:57 Boonbag wrote:
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again you didn't understand the statement either
it's a symbol
meaning that if we're not able to make the community that was the most targeted and suffered the most from recent history feel safe, history will repeat again
a community of ppl leaves france as they're targeted because they're a community means we fail at protecting communities in our country
spanish ppl feel safe in France and won't have to leave
why ? are we giving them special treatment ?
it's just they're lucky to not bear any stigmate from history
what he meant by "i dont care if 100 000 spanish leave france" was that this is impossible and irrealistic and won't happen
while 100 000 jews leaving for Israel can very well happen and would be the same as losing 100 000 citizens because of terrible events like in the WWII You're the one who didn't understand their point : it's also a symbol to reaffirm the national unity. A jew dying is a tragic event, but it's first and foremost a french dying, a brother (fraternité), a Citizen : when a french jew is attacked, the muslim community should also feel attacked, which is not the case if you differenciate the two (it's the same process applied with social security or school : creating distinctions eventually lead to distinguished systems, with school and hospitals for jewish and muslim). Putting the jewish community on a pedestale only create friction between communities that feel like the republic is not treating its Citizen equally. I don't know if you are familiar with the Jewish community but the concerns of some/most Jewish in France is precisely that they are not being put on a pedestal, but that the government(s) doesn't care about them and their security, and that non-Jewish French people consider them as non-French. And concerning Valls' sentence I think we shouldn't look too much into it tbh. It feels pretty obvious to me that it was a response to Netanyahu proposing to the Jewish community to come to Israel. They're effectively put on a pedestal if you look at the discourse. The reality doesn't matter, the political discourse and the symbol is. That the jewish community doesn't believe it is put on a pedestal is another matter : the real problem does not come from the jewish community, but from the poor, excluded, unemployed and oftentime seemingly apolitical "underclass" that view jewish communautarism as an expression of the "racial" inequality they are suffering from. In this regard, Merah, the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly are all exemple : young kids who passed in the social aide for kids (aide sociale à l'enfance, A.S.E), school failure, exclusion, small criminality, prison, radicalisation and terrorism. They're the perfect exemple of a process that leads to terrorism and antisemitism. i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatevermaybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism.
my own experience argues very strongly against that statement
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On January 14 2015 01:14 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:10 Incognoto wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... In the very specific context of the Primer Minister saying he would regret the departure of 100k Jewish people more than 100k Spaniards, yes I do think that "jews are put above others". You yourself are saying that Jewish people deserve special treatment (your own words!) for the Holocaust which took place 50 years ago. I'm asking why, since there are lots of populations which had atrocities committed to them. again you miss the whole point of the rhetoric figure used in the speech
maybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine
Answer the question?
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On January 14 2015 01:17 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:14 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:10 Incognoto wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... In the very specific context of the Primer Minister saying he would regret the departure of 100k Jewish people more than 100k Spaniards, yes I do think that "jews are put above others". You yourself are saying that Jewish people deserve special treatment (your own words!) for the Holocaust which took place 50 years ago. I'm asking why, since there are lots of populations which had atrocities committed to them. again you miss the whole point of the rhetoric figure used in the speech Show nested quote +maybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine Answer the question?
i didnt want to bother since if you reread what you wrote you might have understood how stupid what you said was
don't you think that for instance, if special care was done for native americans much earlier in history and in society they wouldn't be in the current atrocious state they live in ?
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On January 14 2015 01:16 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:50 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 23:41 OtherWorld wrote:On January 13 2015 23:17 Boonbag wrote:
[quote]
not only him back then they already wrote a letter to hitler telling him he was right about jews not belonging to germany and that he should send them to israel to wich hitler replied something like "im coming for you next" What? Israel did not exist as a country back in Hitler's times, or am I missing something? On January 13 2015 22:30 WhiteDog wrote:
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You're the one who didn't understand their point : it's also a symbol to reaffirm the national unity. A jew dying is a tragic event, but it's first and foremost a french dying, a brother (fraternité), a Citizen : when a french jew is attacked, the muslim community should also feel attacked, which is not the case if you differenciate the two (it's the same process applied with social security or school : creating distinctions eventually lead to distinguished systems, with school and hospitals for jewish and muslim).
Putting the jewish community on a pedestale only create friction between communities that feel like the republic is not treating its Citizen equally. I don't know if you are familiar with the Jewish community but the concerns of some/most Jewish in France is precisely that they are not being put on a pedestal, but that the government(s) doesn't care about them and their security, and that non-Jewish French people consider them as non-French. And concerning Valls' sentence I think we shouldn't look too much into it tbh. It feels pretty obvious to me that it was a response to Netanyahu proposing to the Jewish community to come to Israel. They're effectively put on a pedestal if you look at the discourse. The reality doesn't matter, the political discourse and the symbol is. That the jewish community doesn't believe it is put on a pedestal is another matter : the real problem does not come from the jewish community, but from the poor, excluded, unemployed and oftentime seemingly apolitical "underclass" that view jewish communautarism as an expression of the "racial" inequality they are suffering from. In this regard, Merah, the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly are all exemple : young kids who passed in the social aide for kids (aide sociale à l'enfance, A.S.E), school failure, exclusion, small criminality, prison, radicalisation and terrorism. They're the perfect exemple of a process that leads to terrorism and antisemitism. i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatevermaybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism. my own experience argues very strongly against that statement
Your experience is irrelevant. I'm talking about the reality, from a macro perspective.
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On January 14 2015 01:18 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:16 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:50 WhiteDog wrote:On January 13 2015 23:41 OtherWorld wrote:
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What? Israel did not exist as a country back in Hitler's times, or am I missing something?
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I don't know if you are familiar with the Jewish community but the concerns of some/most Jewish in France is precisely that they are not being put on a pedestal, but that the government(s) doesn't care about them and their security, and that non-Jewish French people consider them as non-French.
And concerning Valls' sentence I think we shouldn't look too much into it tbh. It feels pretty obvious to me that it was a response to Netanyahu proposing to the Jewish community to come to Israel. They're effectively put on a pedestal if you look at the discourse. The reality doesn't matter, the political discourse and the symbol is. That the jewish community doesn't believe it is put on a pedestal is another matter : the real problem does not come from the jewish community, but from the poor, excluded, unemployed and oftentime seemingly apolitical "underclass" that view jewish communautarism as an expression of the "racial" inequality they are suffering from. In this regard, Merah, the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly are all exemple : young kids who passed in the social aide for kids (aide sociale à l'enfance, A.S.E), school failure, exclusion, small criminality, prison, radicalisation and terrorism. They're the perfect exemple of a process that leads to terrorism and antisemitism. i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatevermaybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism. my own experience argues very strongly against that statement Your experience is irrelevant. I'm talking about the reality, from a macro perspective.
lol what? what's macro perspective ? that racism isn't a class issue ?
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Because against muslims it's allowed. Try just one of these "incidents" against a jewish building, and tomorrow french's president will talk about the return of the barbarians while prime minister will go in israel to present his excuses while our whole political class will cry in the medias :D
The funniest thing is that after this, they announced that they'll protect jewish schools...now imagine how wrong it would feel if they said "we'll protect islamic schools", or if muslim victims would get burred in Algeria. People would say that if they do that it's because they don't feel french and so on, well it's easy to imagine the kinds of debates it would provoke. Anyway it's not hard to imagine how angry a random muslim can get when he gets treated so differently...
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On January 14 2015 01:20 MrCon wrote:Because against muslims it's allowed. Try just one of these "incidents" against a jewish building, and tomorrow french's president will talk about the return of the barbarians while prime minister will go in israel to present his excuses while our whole political class will cry in the medias :D The funniest thing is that after this, they announced that they'll protect jewish schools...now imagine how wrong it would feel if they said "we'll protect islamic schools", or if muslim victims would get burred in Algeria. People would say that if they do that it's because they don't feel french and so on, well it's easy to imagine the kinds of debates it would provoke. Anyway it's not hard to imagine how angry a random muslim can get when he gets treated so differently...
they actually said they were reinforcing protection near muslism cult places right after the first night of incidents
but whatever....
and the way arab looking ppl are treated in french society wont ever move an inch until history about algeria and colonialism is properly taught in schools as well as the horrible acts french police commited in the past and still commits to a lesser extent today towards them
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On January 14 2015 01:19 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:18 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:16 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:50 WhiteDog wrote:
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They're effectively put on a pedestal if you look at the discourse. The reality doesn't matter, the political discourse and the symbol is. That the jewish community doesn't believe it is put on a pedestal is another matter : the real problem does not come from the jewish community, but from the poor, excluded, unemployed and oftentime seemingly apolitical "underclass" that view jewish communautarism as an expression of the "racial" inequality they are suffering from.
In this regard, Merah, the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly are all exemple : young kids who passed in the social aide for kids (aide sociale à l'enfance, A.S.E), school failure, exclusion, small criminality, prison, radicalisation and terrorism. They're the perfect exemple of a process that leads to terrorism and antisemitism. i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatevermaybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism. my own experience argues very strongly against that statement Your experience is irrelevant. I'm talking about the reality, from a macro perspective. lol what? what's macro perspective ?
Macro mean big, micro is small. Your experience is subjective, thus small. From a macro perspective, what are France problem ? Unemployment, lack of growth, lack of recognition for our institutions, etc. There is less racism than ever in France (compare it to any other country, or to our past, and it becomes obvious).
It is way easier to identify yourself (and your problems) through your "race" and your "religion", but knowing your class (especially today with no group that talk about social class) needs some kind of abstraction.
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On January 14 2015 01:18 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:17 Incognoto wrote:On January 14 2015 01:14 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:10 Incognoto wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... In the very specific context of the Primer Minister saying he would regret the departure of 100k Jewish people more than 100k Spaniards, yes I do think that "jews are put above others". You yourself are saying that Jewish people deserve special treatment (your own words!) for the Holocaust which took place 50 years ago. I'm asking why, since there are lots of populations which had atrocities committed to them. again you miss the whole point of the rhetoric figure used in the speech maybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine Answer the question? i didnt want to bother since if you reread what you wrote you might have understood how stupid what you said was don't you think that for instance, if special care was done for native americans much earlier in history and in society they wouldn't be in the current atrocious state they live in ?
I believe that merely not killing them in the first place would have sufficed. Mind you, if a larger portion of the Native Americans had survived the genocide I don't think that their descendants should deserve special treatment. The descendants shouldn't deserve any treatment at all. In France there is no special treatment, afaik mostly everyone is treated the same way, besides the fact that antisemitic acts are much more exposed in France than a racist act against a Muslim establishment, for instance.
Ségolène Royal went to Israel with the four Jewish deceased, which in itself comes off as a "we're sorry this happened" to the Jewish people, when in fact all of France was struck by these attacks. It leaves a funny taste in the mouth.
Edit: God forbid I would judge Arabs from what I learned in school, rather than using my own brain to do so. I like to think I am smart enough to interact with Arabs directly and decide for myself not to be racist, school has very little to do with it. Colonialism is quite old as well. History is important but I don't use history as a way to decide how I feel about different groups of people. That would be genuinely stupid. I don't feel differently about different groups of people at all, nor should anyone.
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On January 14 2015 01:26 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:19 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:18 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:16 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 00:55 Boonbag wrote:
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i dont really see the pedestal you talk about anywhere but whatever
maybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine
ppl hating on jews for erratic reasons don't come from the allegded exposure you talk about but rather from persistant, millenar old myths about how they corrupt society
and that has to be named and shamed and fought with the upmost priority Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism. my own experience argues very strongly against that statement Your experience is irrelevant. I'm talking about the reality, from a macro perspective. lol what? what's macro perspective ? Macro mean big, micro is small. Your experience is subjective, thus small. From a macro perspective, what are France problem ? Unemployment, lack of growth, lack of recognition for our institutions, etc. There is less racism than ever in France (compare it to any other country, or to our past, and it becomes obvious).
and you're the one that told me i should step into a poor area
economics have pretty much nothing to do as of today with a segregation going on since 200 years in france
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On January 14 2015 01:29 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:18 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:17 Incognoto wrote:On January 14 2015 01:14 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:10 Incognoto wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... In the very specific context of the Primer Minister saying he would regret the departure of 100k Jewish people more than 100k Spaniards, yes I do think that "jews are put above others". You yourself are saying that Jewish people deserve special treatment (your own words!) for the Holocaust which took place 50 years ago. I'm asking why, since there are lots of populations which had atrocities committed to them. again you miss the whole point of the rhetoric figure used in the speech maybe there's a special care indeed to a group of people that was decimated 50 years ago and blamed throughout history for about everything you can imagine Answer the question? i didnt want to bother since if you reread what you wrote you might have understood how stupid what you said was don't you think that for instance, if special care was done for native americans much earlier in history and in society they wouldn't be in the current atrocious state they live in ? Ségolène Royal went to Israel with the four Jewish deceased, which in itself comes off as a "we're sorry this happened" to the Jewish people, when in fact all of France was struck by these attacks. It leaves a funny taste in the mouth.
-_- a casher supermarket was targeted ?
there is no "country of medias" ?
there is no "country of cartoonists"?
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On January 14 2015 01:22 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:20 MrCon wrote:Because against muslims it's allowed. Try just one of these "incidents" against a jewish building, and tomorrow french's president will talk about the return of the barbarians while prime minister will go in israel to present his excuses while our whole political class will cry in the medias :D The funniest thing is that after this, they announced that they'll protect jewish schools...now imagine how wrong it would feel if they said "we'll protect islamic schools", or if muslim victims would get burred in Algeria. People would say that if they do that it's because they don't feel french and so on, well it's easy to imagine the kinds of debates it would provoke. Anyway it's not hard to imagine how angry a random muslim can get when he gets treated so differently... they actually said they were reinforcing protection near muslism cult places right after the first night of incidents but whatever.... and the way arab looking ppl are treated in french society wont ever move an inch until history about algeria and colonialism is properly taught in schools as well as the horrible acts french police commited in the past and still commits to a lesser extent today towards them
Yeah now they'll announced some protection for muslim places, after a "oops, we forgot to protect the actual people in danger in our rush to reassure the jewish community". Now it's all good, but the sole fact this could happen tells a lot.
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On January 14 2015 01:29 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:26 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:19 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:18 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:16 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 00:59 WhiteDog wrote:
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Go anywhere near poor people or muslim people and ask them. Or just watch how the government reacted to the war on Gaza, how everybody is always calling another antisemite, how there's an emission every month on the subject of antisemitism, how Siné got fired from Charlie Hebdo, etc. They're plenty of exemples. thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are richthis is nazism 101 the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
Why would they deserve "special care" when genocide has occurred before and after the Holocaust? If you were a victim, that is understandable, I suppose. What about the Chinese or the Armenians? Native Americans? Hell, I could do some research and probably find a list of "groups of people" which were subject to atrocities.
Well, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate to see what your stance is, I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue. I still feel that the Jewish community should not be put above anyone else.
Edit: OK... so now you're calling people Nazis? WhiteDog's point seemed rather reasonable to me. the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism. my own experience argues very strongly against that statement Your experience is irrelevant. I'm talking about the reality, from a macro perspective. lol what? what's macro perspective ? Macro mean big, micro is small. Your experience is subjective, thus small. From a macro perspective, what are France problem ? Unemployment, lack of growth, lack of recognition for our institutions, etc. There is less racism than ever in France (compare it to any other country, or to our past, and it becomes obvious). and you're the one that told me i should step into a poor area economics have pretty much nothing to do as of today with a segregation going on since 200 years in france
There are macro proof of what I said tho : the fame of Dieudonné, A. Soral, the mainy books wrote by specialists in social sciences. Racism and antisemitism ? Outside of some really specific incident (murder, terrorism) there's not much racism in France.
Segregation in France is factual not manufactured nor desired.
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On January 14 2015 01:33 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:29 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:26 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:19 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:18 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:16 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:02 Boonbag wrote:
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thats because fanatics preach over the internet and in many religious place how poor suburbs ppl are poor because jews are rich
this is nazism 101
the hell youre on about what you say is fucking crazy man
jews are the historical enemies of both other monotheism because they killed a prophet
there's no other origin Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling. On January 14 2015 01:07 Boonbag wrote:
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the very argument of saying "jews are put above others" is 100% antisemitic propaganda but whatever keep going on man... That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism. my own experience argues very strongly against that statement Your experience is irrelevant. I'm talking about the reality, from a macro perspective. lol what? what's macro perspective ? Macro mean big, micro is small. Your experience is subjective, thus small. From a macro perspective, what are France problem ? Unemployment, lack of growth, lack of recognition for our institutions, etc. There is less racism than ever in France (compare it to any other country, or to our past, and it becomes obvious). and you're the one that told me i should step into a poor area economics have pretty much nothing to do as of today with a segregation going on since 200 years in france There are macro proof of what I said tho : the fame of Dieudonné, A. Soral, the mainy books wrote by specialists in social sciences. Racism and antisemitism ? Outside of some really specific incident (murder, terrorism) there's not much racism in France. Segregation in France is factual not manufactured nor desired.
fyi it was manufactured in our colonies and it seems just allright we pretty much treat them the same way here we used to do over there
oh yeah its fucking factual idd
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On January 14 2015 01:36 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:33 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:29 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:26 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:19 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:18 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:16 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:On January 14 2015 01:12 Boonbag wrote:On January 14 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:
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Those preaching would not have any weight if it were not based around the beliefs of some, beliefs built through their own experience and feeling.
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That's not what I said by the way. My guess is you've never been anywhere near a poor neighborhood. okay now thats something first off you don't know where ive been / lived whatever also I wasn't replying to you in the last post and tell me whenever you faced some discrimination because of the jews ? that's sick if anything colonial racism is the matrix of all the discrimation going on in France and that has nothing to do with hebrews as far as i know Do you read ? Most inequalities in France have nothing to do with racism. my own experience argues very strongly against that statement Your experience is irrelevant. I'm talking about the reality, from a macro perspective. lol what? what's macro perspective ? Macro mean big, micro is small. Your experience is subjective, thus small. From a macro perspective, what are France problem ? Unemployment, lack of growth, lack of recognition for our institutions, etc. There is less racism than ever in France (compare it to any other country, or to our past, and it becomes obvious). and you're the one that told me i should step into a poor area economics have pretty much nothing to do as of today with a segregation going on since 200 years in france There are macro proof of what I said tho : the fame of Dieudonné, A. Soral, the mainy books wrote by specialists in social sciences. Racism and antisemitism ? Outside of some really specific incident (murder, terrorism) there's not much racism in France. Segregation in France is factual not manufactured nor desired. fyi it was manufactured in our colonies and it seems just allright we pretty much treat them the same way here we used to do over there oh yeah its fucking factual idd
It's not manufactured in France. It's the common social class of those people that force them to stay, because of their revenu, in some specific area, and not their race.
That's important if you compare it to the US.
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